Ep. 3.19: Beautiful Little Fool

[sonny]

tvfan said:

The spoilers about the scene being with Ray were from back in February when the sides came out (sections of the script given to agents for casting), so presumably, that information was back when they were still casting the episode (before filming). Ray's appearance in Dog Day Afternoons (last weekend in Feb) was after the release of the sides information. I'm guessing the scene was rewritten after the negative reaction and before the filming.

That's the conclusion I was kinda making. Shame in a way cos it doesn't seem likely now that the Ray storyline is gonna get any kind of closure, especially considering the new information about the season finale. :smile20: :smile6:

[TVFan]

I know what you mean sonny. I guess they just left things open-ended as far as their relationship goes. I know plenty of people IRL who do the same, so I guess that makes it a bit more realistic. Still, I would have liked the closure.

ruda - I have a few caps in today's entry in my blog to tied you over until someone else posts more.. HERE.

[Naj]

I thought the bar scene with Lilly and her mom was pretty realistic. How her mom just mentions how Lilly broke her jaw like it was nothing and because we've been left in on it how we can realize how truly painful and traumatic that incidence has scarred her. Maybe a reason why Lilly can't get close to men and it's just a funny memory to her mother. Isn't that how life goes ...

This episode does truly reveal how alone Lily really is and unable to make a relationship because she doesn't let anyone into her life.

[sonny]

naj said:

This episode does truly reveal how alone Lily really is and unable to make a relationship because she doesn't let anyone into her life.

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Look what you've made me do Naj.

[sonny]

tvfan said:

I know what you mean sonny. I guess they just left things open-ended as far as their relationship goes. I know plenty of people IRL who do the same, so I guess that makes it a bit more realistic. Still, I would have liked the closure.

ruda - I have a few caps in today's entry in my blog to tied you over until someone else posts more.. HERE.

Your blog feature is brilliant TVFan, and great piccies too :smile4: :smile39: :smile49:

[ruda]

thank you TVFan, realy! kisses!!!!

[Disasterfreak]

Hehehe... I'm pettishly glad McRay's been kicked from the picture. If I never see closure from him it will NOT be one of my regrets. I'd rather see KITE back than McRay. Only hopefully not as Lilly's lover.

...Still not watched the episode...

[sukkerspinn]

I'm sorry for copying and pasting from S#1, but I'm too tired to write something new.

Ok, as usual I'm giving my two cents before reading up on the other posts here, so please excuse me for repeating what's already been said.

First of all, this was mainly a Lilly ep to me and the case was kinda shoved in the back of my head as a side dish. My mind was (probably from being way too spoiled ahead) set on Lilly-drama from the very beginning.
I felt with Lilly the entire episode, and it HURT!

The case:
I liked the case ok, and the actors as well. It's not often we have cases from that time and I really like some of the music from that period, including the music they used for this ep.
However, I found it a bit hard to follow the case sometimes, as there were quite a lot of generations to keep track of.

The Lilly story:
I say only: Ellen Rush; what a selfish, unfeeling, stupid b***h! Who does she think she is?!? I was just so MAD (yet, not as mad as I was about to get).
She looked a lot healthier than I'd imagined, though. Since Lilly had to do pharmacy runs for her and such. But that might have been in one of her alcoholic periods.. Who knows.
Anyway, I was absolutely SHOCKED to see Lilly talking about her mom to Scotty and all of the others as well. Did not see that one comming like.. EVER!

The restaurant scene was HORRIBLE!! I couldn't believe Ellen when she started talking about the jaw-incident. Did she really not know?? Or did she not care back then and forget about the entire thing?

IMO, this ep oooozed with old-Lilly-ness. Except for once scene that I didn't like too much. The calling-Kite-scene. I get that she was really just hurt and overwhelmed and DRUNK (man, I'd never think we would see Lilly drunk!), but I did not like the needy-drunken-Lilly... She was kinda scary. And she called KITE!! Lilly, Lilly, Lilly.. What are you doing?? I somehow have the icky feeling that he'll be back. Writers, if you read this: KITE IS A BIG NO-NO!!

As for Vera in this ep, he cracked me up (as usual) with his comments and exchange of looks. Like his comment on the grandfather dresser: "His job was to put her clothes on?... Her." LOL
And Will. Good 'ol Will. The way he glanced at Lena.. Awwww!

And then the closing montage: Lilly's hair back up!! FINALLY!!! Even if it was only for a little while. I've been longing for that the entire season. She was just gorgeous!!

All in all tha Shooga is happy and will hereby shut it!!

[jazzyb]

TVFan and Sukkerspin you really hit the nail on the head re: mother/daughter scene in the restaurant. The mother is either completely self-absorbed or alcohol has pickled her few remaining brain cells. I assume the comment about the broken jaw was really for the hubby-to-be because I believe she knows all too well what really happened to Lilly. That type of deception is so creepy and manipulative but Meredith Baxter did a fantastic job with her utterly unlikeable character. And isn't sister Chris just a chip off the old block? Just as selfish and manipulative and ultimately as tragic as her mother. In the end, though, I think Lilly realizes this is as good as it gets with her family. Her mother deludes herself into believing she's found true happiness at last and blithely tells Lilly she ought to do the same. The restaurant scene was as heartbreaking to watch as any that have aired in the 3 seasons of Cold Case.

[Disasterfreak]

Hehe, couldn't have phrased that better myself, Jazzyb. I STILL haven't watched the episode, but from what I was told, that's also the Ellen feeling I got. Her values are screwed up. She thinks happiness is being with a guy for one second and thinking she's loved, no matter how he screws you around, and that's the sort of happiness she wants for her daughter. Pathetic. Sad.

I will now shut up till I watch the ep. :x

[Disasterfreak]

OMFG.

I've watched the episode.

I have no words.

It's everything I thought it would be and then some. The flashbacks... the images... the music... Lilly. Lilly was just perfect. Everyone was perfect. I can't find anything wrong with it. My interpretation of that drunk scene may be slightly different to everyone else's, but it doesn't matter. It was in character--it made sense.

V was right. A beautiful episode.

And everything I want to say, has already been said by Sukker, TVFan, Naj and Jazzyb.

I'm not modifying any of my earlier statements.

I'm not leaving Cold Case after all.

[Ju]

The case was ok, the actors/actresses were perfect, but I won't talk about it. TVFan has already said it and I have to agree with her.

OMG! Ellen Rush's a selfish SOB! I can't believe she said those things to Lilly. She has no heart and no memory. She just didn't remember how Lilly broke her jaw. How is that possible? I mean, she's her mother and was there! What about her comment about the George-incident: "I wanted to give you a space"?? WTF? Not to mention she also doesn't care about Christina . Well, she's a superficial person and doesn't deserve Lilly as her daughter.

Drunken Lilly was the best part. ;D I don't need to say KM did an AMAZING job! Lilly was kinda desperate looking for help/comfort/someone to talk and Kite was the first one on her mind. So, she dialed. When he picked up the phone, she realized: "What the he** am I doing?" and hang up. Very smart IMO! ;D Loved that scene.

Oh, Lil was priceless at the wedding and I'm almost sure Sonny's gonna look for her clothes. ;D ;D Sorry Sonny.

[boxman]

I have a question for everyone here:

Do you think Lilly's mom, Ellen Rush, was neglectful or abusive in the way she brought up Lilly and Christina? Or was she both? And why?

(btw, four stars from me, of course!)

[sonny]

ju said:

Oh, Lil was priceless at the wedding and I'm almost sure Sonny's gonna look for her clothes. ;D ;D Sorry Sonny.

You are quite right Ju! And it now seems appropriate to talk about that first, so excuse me while I gush about Kathryn Morris for a while!!

I have to say that she looked amazing the whole episode but that outfit she wore at the end to her mothers wedding was just stunning! Nice touch with the hair up too, and no doubt that will be the most talked about aspect of this episode in alot of places on the web! I won't harp on about it but simply say it was nice to see it up because it suited the outfit she was wearing but I have no doubts that I still love that she wears it down now.

Anyway, moving on. Apart from looking amazing [which isn't hard for Kathryn] her acting was just outstanding [as always]. She played the episode to perfection and it amazes me that her drunk scene had me feeling she was cute, desperate, funny and yet really sad all at the same time. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry in that scene!

I'm still stunned that it was Kite she called, but glad it was him. I liked the whole, the 'ship had sailed and that's not why I'm calling' bit because it showed that she wasn't pining for him. What did suprise me though is that she blames herself for them splitting up and not him. That she thought he was 'a good one.' That really made me feel so sad for her, in that she almost feels as though she has to prove to him she can change. I do however agree with TVFan that that it was like she was telling herself she could change, and it wasn't intentionally meant for him although appropriate to their situation. The point of the message therefore seemed so appropriate and it also made me wonder if Lilly ever told Kite about her mother, or he would be wondering what an earth she was on about? I so want some kind of follow up on this matter!

The scenes with Ellen were fantastic and Lilly's vunerability and feelings of awkwardness came through so clearly. It was almost like Lilly was a child again in some respects; kind of like Ellen has this real hold on her. It's hard to explain what I mean, because I think Lilly did a good job of telling her straight about a few things. But ultimately she didn't tell Jackie about her being an alcoholic and she did show up at the wedding so I guess what I mean is that Lilly is kind of torn between loving and hating her mother.

I'm sure there are other things I've forgotton to mention so I'll add that in later.

Oh, the case! It was good, but to be honest it was very much a background feature to Lilly's personal life issues for me. I did like the uniqueness of the case in that the writers had to be imaginative in how the team could solve the case. I liked the use of all the first and secondary resources they gathered evidence from. However, it did also seem they were a bunch of historians rather than detectives because of this. With Lilly feeling and thinking the way she was the reason for taking on the case was well justified.

Now all I gotta say is bring back Josh Hopkins!!!

Oooooo I gave this an excellent btw, mainly because although the personal storyline was probably the best this season, the case wasn't the best. And I have high hopes of the season finale!!

[tapageur]

I agree with every word you say, Sonny! :smile49: I can't see how on earth there can't be a follow up on the kite situation, I mean, after that call, he cannot NOT respond, can he? :smile34:
I also liked how Lilly mentionned Ray, to me there wasn't love in her voice and eyes, but some kind of fondness, I don't know if that's clear..... :smile79:
I loved every scene with Lilly, Kathryn is really really wonderful!! I know emmys and other awards don't mean much, but somehow I still can't understand why this woman is not covered with awards yet......
and casting Meredith Baxter as Lilly's mum was pure genius!! not only is she very good but she does look like she could be related to Lilly!!!!!

[Disasterfreak]

Sonny, I think you were really accurate in your view of the Ellen/Lilly relationship. You really don't need to explain yourself any further. Very complex, very nice. All I could have wished for. Kinda funny how Ellen is kidding herself the whole time, isn't it? She just kinda brushes past things she doesn't like. Like not admitting Chris wasn't there because she couldn't find her, not admitting to anyone, even to herself, that Lilly's jaw had been broken in an attack (how unfeeling was that--she snapped it out like it was some sort of anecdote!)--which she damn well knew: "we lived in some bad neighborhoods".

I loved the case and how they made it come to life. It just sorta fell apart in the end, when they revealed the killer. TVFan's said it way better though, so I'll just let you all read her post.

Boxman... was Ellen abusive and neglectful? Hell, yes. Did she mean to? Probably no. She probably thought she was doing an AWESOME job. Or anyway "best I can". Otherwise she wouldn't dare spring up like this and demand Lilly to come to her wedding... among other stuff.

[sonny]

Ahhh, thanks DF! It's been rare for us to agree on anything recently

Ellen seems such a self-absorbed person. She only cared about keeping up appearences in front of Jackie which is probably the only reason she wanted to see Lilly. Hell, I wouldn't be suprised that if Chris had been around she wouldn't have bothered about Lilly at all. Ellen just seemed to not want to hear anything bad about Chris!! And poor Lilly having to sit there and listen to it all! Her face when Ellen said about her jaw was priceless; so hurt and angry yet trying to keep control and some sense of calm. I'm just in awe and so impressed on how brilliantly Kathryn played that whole scene.
Her facial expressions when drinking were just great to; that kind of I need more drink look; just excellent.

Sorry I'm gushing again aren't I! I know I'll go to CBS via e-mail, it may have more effect there.


EDIT: Done! I've gushed to CBS!! :smile90: ;D

[boxman]

disasterfreak said:

Boxman... was Ellen abusive and neglectful? Hell, yes. Did she mean to? Probably no. She probably thought ...

Actually, maybe I should re-write my queiry. I can see the confusion in how I wrote it. Anyway I'm wondering what others think of this:

Do you think Ellen was abusive or neglectful, or was she a combination of both? Thanks.

[sonny]

Probably more neglectful although in technical term neglect is a form of abuse!

Lilly has never told of any incidences of where her mother has physically harmed her although she probably did emotionally abuse her, and still is with some of the things she said!! Hateful woman! :smile12:

Btw, just gotta add I just loved the scene where scotty checks Jeffries 'threads' and teases him about Lena!! A great moment of consistancy by the writers.

[eurache]

I voted this episode as excellent. I think it showed that KM has alot of talent which she displayed alot of emotions in this episode. As always, Vera was funny :smile21: It was good to see Meredith Baxter again, she portrayed Lilly's mom very well. We were all shocked as to whom Lilly called. I still thought it was Ray, but someone pointed out in the dialogue, it was Kite.

All in all, the episode with display of the roaring twenties was excellent. You really felt sorry for Violet, as BT pointed out in our chat, it was sort of the "Great Gapsy" (sp?) book/movie.