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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on May 8, 2007 21:48:16 GMT -5
Thanks to a friend at the church I go to I was finally able to watch this episode.
Holy crap this really was a good one. I'd actually rank this past "Offender" which had been my favorite episode of this season.
I think Stillman's going to be ok. After all he was waiting with the other members in the hospital for Lilly. It's Lilly I'm worried about. I don't know why everyone's insisting that Lilly wasn't shot close to the heart, and Stillman was. They were both shot at the same side.
The very end when Lilly says "Mom?" broke my heart, and yet I'm still trying to figure out the meaning. Just before Lilly says that her eyes shift and seem to focus on something before she goes "mom?" so there's a chance that Lilly did see the apparition of her mother, but we don't see it because the camera's not at the right angle.
However it could be Lilly calling out for her mother too. Mom's do have a cultural significance, and to emphasize I'll use the Silent Hill series.
"Oh but I just want to be with you mommy. Please understand." - Alessa to Dahlia in SH1.
"I'm looking for my mama. I mean my mother." - Angela in Silent Hill 2
"Oh mama I've found you at last! You're the only one left." - Angela (again.)
"Please allow me to see my daughter within your gates." - Woman in confession booth (Silent Hill 3.)
"Mom...?" - Walter Sullivan Silent Hill 4.
"Mother is God in the eyes of a Child." - Silent Hill movie.
Basically in the parental role the mother is supposed to be the comforter. There's also as someone mentioned in the chat a primal instinct that many people have to want to go back into the womb. Why? Because it was the first and only safe place you were. You were warm, fed, got to sleep. Nobody yelled at you, nobody tried to harm you. (Unless you're mother tried to miscarry you. That's a whole different story.) In Lilly's pain she wants to go back to that protection, but it's gone.
But then it makes me wonder if Ellen was there for Lilly at age 10 when she was beaten severely. We know that Ray was there, but what about Ellen? As much as I hate to say this Ellen goes on my list of bad mothers. Sure she might have read Lilly the Velveteen Rabbit alot of times, but the bad so far outweighs the good. She made Lilly buy alcohol for her (age 10) which caused Lilly to be attacked. She was often gone for days at time to the point where Lilly had to take care of her sister. They lived on welfare. Finally when Ellen was told not to drink because it could kill her, guess what she does?
She starts drinking. To me this indicates that Ellen found her drinking and herself more important Lilly. Perhaps if Ellen had chosen not to drink she could have been there in her daughter's time of need.
Moving on. I was shocked when it was reviewed that it was Kim's caretaker that was the stalker. That completely shocked me.
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Post by myril on May 9, 2007 2:38:31 GMT -5
Why there was no ghost of Ellen shown in the end? Well, why should she appear as a ghost, she wasn't a murder victim, we had no cold case with Ellen. And second, normaly the ghost shows that a story has come to some sort of closure. The case is solved, justice been done, so now the dead and the living can find peace. Do you think Lilly is already ready to make her peace? I don't think so.
Why Lilly called out for her mom? Hm, who else should she have called for? Boxman gave some good explanation for it IMO. Additionally, losing Ellen was a fresh experience for Lilly and she might crave for a chance to say a last goodbye. They could have let her say nothing (but would that have been so dramatic) or let or call for her mom - picking up on that story line. Some said, it was a pity that Ellen died now, an abrupt end. I don't agree with that and I don't think this has to be the end of telling how Lilly is dealing with that part of her past. No, I don't think, they will bring Ellen back as some good ghost or whatever (leave that to other shows), but they might show us effects (as we had it with Scotty).
A good season final leaves you unsettled, sets up questions, makes the audience to wish to get the next episode next week, gives you stuff to speculate and discuss so the time to wait for next season (hm, yeah think it's very probable there will be one) keeps up suspense. You want the audience to come back in a couple of month. In this sense, they did a good shop, didn't they. This episode wasn't what I would call a cliffhanger, but it creates some supsension, speculation and expectation. What will happen with Lilly (even if you think, she'll survive, and I don't doubt that, you ask that question)? How will Scotty deal with feeling like he failed to protect his partner? Maybe he will have an affair with the AD? Will Stillman retire, I mean, getting shot might make him think about stuff, maybe makes him want to spent more time with his daughter, family? What about Kat, did this trigger something, she got shot on the job, didn't she? And more things to wonder about ...
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Post by 00bomber on May 9, 2007 7:15:27 GMT -5
I finally got to watch this episode and I'm happy I did. The case in a way was in the background to the personal stuff but that's ok becuase its not like that always happens. The only thing I'm unsure about is how Lilly and Stillman were shot in a similar spot yet Stillman managed to stand up and not collapse and still talk where as Lilly almost conked out.
Also for some strange reason I didn't feel upset in a way like a did watching the last episode. It might've had somethng to do with reading the spoilers so I knew what was going to happen.
Anyways I'm happy they ended the season well especially as I was looking to jump ship after the whole season 3 crap. My favourite show is back.
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The Reverend Bizarre
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on May 9, 2007 7:38:27 GMT -5
Did anyone notice the full circle effect that happened here? In the S3 finale, Lilly meets a new guy and the season ends on a light hearted note. This season finale Lilly loses her mother, (and this season she lost Ray and Joseph.) and she gets shot. Not a good year for Lilly.
Something else odd I noticed. We don't actually see Lilly crying when she tells Scotty that her mom died. Now her face is tear stained, but we didn't actually see her crying. In fact I can only remember two instances where I've seen her cry on the show. The Woods, and Saving Sammy.
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Post by audra on May 9, 2007 14:23:24 GMT -5
Something else odd I noticed. We don't actually see Lilly crying when she tells Scotty that her mom died. Now her face is tear stained, but we didn't actually see her crying. In fact I can only remember two instances where I've seen her cry on the show. The Woods, and Saving Sammy. It doesn't look odd at all to me. We know that Lilly doesn't express her feelings easily. And I think she's in a state of shock and feels somehow empty and/or confused because she has to deal with strong emotions, guilt, sadness, anger maybe... so she has no tears at this moment...  |
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Post by Naj on May 9, 2007 14:34:25 GMT -5
There are four people working on her and she seems to be aware. We'll probably never know. They could start the season 5 with her all healed up. You know how they skip stuff .. entirely.  |
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Post by TVFan on May 9, 2007 18:27:54 GMT -5
It looked to me that Stillman was shot more toward his shoulder and Lilly more toward her heart (not in the heart, but closer to it than Stillman's wound). This was why I figured she was more critical than he was.
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on May 9, 2007 20:18:52 GMT -5
That could be the case, but it does look like she's been tearing up. I have a feeling that come next season we're going to see Lilly really break down, and to that I say "about dang time."
I hope they don't do this. They should at least show one/two episodes of Lilly healing.
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Post by coldcasegirl on May 10, 2007 19:32:58 GMT -5
OH MY GOODNESS, what to say?! First off, I did not stop crying from when Lilly said "My mom died." to the very END! Yeah yeah, laugh it up, but I was totally moved by this!  I just wanted to jump into the TV and save Lilly from being shot too! John Finn played his shooting scene excellent, and was so sweet to try to comfort Lilly when she came into work after her mom died And OMG about THAT! It KILLED me when she said those words! And the look on her face terrified me, and it was sooo sweet when Scotty said "I'm here for you." That totally broke my heart! It really showed the connection those 2 have. It was also great to see how Lilly and Vera knew what each other were thinking when she hid him texting on his phone The case was AWESOME and so sad! The actress who played Kim was amazing and very believable! I loved the phone conversation b/t Lilly and Scotty, he knew EXACTLY what she was talking about! I didn't get it at first exactly what Lilly meant when she said "hey....you hear me?....HEY" but after watching it over and over I understood she was saying it because Scotty told her all she had to say was "hey", and he would be there...so sweet! Of course I loved the look on Lilly's face after Kim said "your disgusting" to Ed...priceless! And when she began to close the door of the interview room very dramatically, I knew she was getting into something bad! After Scotty shot Ed, and he and Will came in, RIGHT when I hear Lilly 'sigh', I knew she was hurt! And the look on Scotty's face when he said "Lil?!"....totally killed me! Seeing all that blood on the wall, and knowing and realizing that it was Lilly's! I was crying Niagera Falls (?) I have officially downloaded every song from the ep and cannot stop listening to them! And when "stolen" begins to play, and I imagine Lilly looking as she did after she was shot, it brings me to tears almost every time!  I have watched my tape at least once every day this week, and up til the end of today, I have seen it 7 times ;D I'll probably end up watching it tonight again....IT'S SO ADDICTING!! overall the episode ROCKED OUT! I've never cried that much for an ep! Of course, I think I still like "The Woods" the best, but I DUNNO, this one comes pretty darn close the more I watch it! ;D |
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Post by oldgreygoose on May 10, 2007 20:59:42 GMT -5
I did not think that this was one of the better shows of the season. The plot was pathetically weak, there really was no case to speak of. A very sad effort for a season finale. They couldn't even do the cliff hanger ending right. What ever happened to the type of ending that leaves you at the edge of your seat? Lilly won't die, she will recover, there is no need to fear about that. Stillman took a similar gunshot wound and he was still standing. it was a bullet that went clear through the shoulder. It did not hit the heart, wrong side... It did not puncture a lung, or there would have been a lot more blood and Stillman/Lilly would also have been coughing up blood. It was no where near the spine so there is no chance of paralysis and it wasn't a head wound, so there will be no coma...
But enough about the gory details... Let's move on to the case... What case? The amount of time they spent working this case was minimal, it was pathetic. It was too rushed, they had to have the obligatory "mother's tragic death alone", the hostage scene at police HQ and that left no time to work on fleshing out the case.
I knew that the Caregiver was the killer, in the first 15 minutes, the title gave it away, I knew Lilly's mom would die before the end of the show, it was easy to see it coming a mile away... and oh yes, I figured out who would get shot, it was too obvious.
All in all, this episode would have been better served as a 2 part episode arc, but that's not how this show seems to work.. I do not understand how everything has to be wrapped up in a tidy package each week. The only thing that gets carried over into the next show is the personal stories and I am growing very tired of that same old thing...
I have always said that it's the cases that draw my attention, the rest is just the same old relationship issues that every soap opera show has, it's just set in a police station.
Maybe it's time to step back and examine the reasons I watched the show in the first place.
This last episode did not shine, it flickered and maybe it's time for me to say, "Adieu" to Cold Case.
This is not to say the actors didn't do a good job. They just did not have a lot to work with in this final episode. The case could have been so much more, but it was rushed. Season two's season ender was in my opinion equally rushed, but it was a much better story line and a much stronger villain. "The Woods" in my opinion, was one of the best stories of the series and it was a continuation of an episode shown earlier in that season. It allowed for more character development and a much stronger story.
Maybe I will tune in this fall and check out the season premiere to see if they have have found the right combination of case substance and personal lives stuff. I hope so, this show is one of the few shows I watch, it will leave a huge hole in my week if I decide it is no longer worth watching. Maybe it's the time slot, I get really cranky having to watch crap like "60 Minutes and The Amazing Race" before Cold Case comes up.
I hate those so-called "Reality Shows" and don't get me started on the Journalistic integrity of 60 Minutes.
It was bad enough having to figure when the show was on when it followed 60 Minutes directly... Running late every single week due to football or golf or basketball. It drove me nuts... I had to watch to see the stopwatch to determine how much more agony I would have to endure before Cold Case. Then they insert "The Amazing Race" in between and the goose went insane.
It was frustration after frustration... And geese poop when they get frustrated. And we honk and get very crabby...
Maybe it would be better if I just taped the show and watched it later in the week when there was less stress for the goose.
Maybe a plan for next season...
**Goose wanders off in search of a nice spot to sleep**
Too much venting of the spleen has left the goose in a horrible mood, please forgive me for the verbal tirade, I know there are gentler souls on this site and my outburst must have been a shock for them...
"G"
I guess it should not be hard to figure out how I voted when rating this episode, but to each, their own...
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The Reverend Bizarre
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on May 11, 2007 3:09:54 GMT -5
In my own opinion I think there is a cliff hanger to this season, but it's not one that many of us are used to. Is Lilly going to be alright mentally? That's the big cliff hanger in my eyes. Physically I think Lilly's going to be fine, but mentally and emotionally? Nope, I don't think so. I think that this shooting along with her mom's death may be the catalyst that finally cracks the steel fortress that Lilly's placed around herself.
Now onto some minor details I happened to notice.
1. Ed has got to be the lousiest shot ever. He tells Stillman that he's going to die, then shoots him on the right side. He later tells Lilly the same thing, and shoots her on the right side. Hey Ed, the heart's on the left side!
2. As Lilly's being wheeled out on the gurney Stillman looks at her. Pay attention to her eyes as they turn away from Stillman. Hmmm...
3. Kat's playing with her necklace during the final montage. Could this be the same necklace seen in "Saving Sammy"? the wolf's cross?
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Post by Naj on May 11, 2007 11:19:06 GMT -5
This is a great point, TRB. I wonder if they will capitalize on this trauma or completely ingnore it. I'm guessing they'll ignore it. I'm hoping they don't, though, now that Veena is at the helm. I mean she didn't ignore the Joseph romance to start up season 4. So that's gotta be good, right? I know. Especially with Stillman. Lilly was a different case. I think as Ed shot so was Scotty shooting out the glass. The other thing that isn't right is that Ed was at such close range to shoot Lilly. I would think she would have been worse. What did you see in her look? What did you thing it means? I didn't notice that. I can't remember what that necklace means. I did notice they left Lilly without anyone applying pressure to her womb while they put the oxygen on. I thought that was odd. Also how can Stillman be well enough to sit in the waiting room. Shouldn't he have been admitted? I thought that was odd. ETA: Can't believe no one saw my word blunder on this post. I just noticed it. I'll leave it in. It should be 'wound'.  |
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Post by riche on May 11, 2007 14:01:29 GMT -5
In my own opinion I think there is a cliff hanger to this season, but it's not one that many of us are used to. Is Lilly going to be alright mentally? That's the big cliff hanger in my eyes. I agree. I was having similar thoughts about the psychological aftermath being more the cliff hanger, not the obvious "will she die?" issue. Of course she won't die. I would expect an episode or two of the physical being an issue though. Plus anytime a gun is drawn, not a big thing in CC of course, Lilly is going to jump. Well he's consistent at least  Which makes him a good shot, even if he can't hit his intended target. Next time perhaps he'll aim a foot to the right of the target. I've re-watched that and I'm not convinced. Her eyes do move away but I doubt it was in response to seeing Stillman or an indication of anything. |
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on May 11, 2007 17:49:18 GMT -5
I don't often pay attention to who writes which episodes, but you do raise a good point. If they choose to ignore it I'll be tiffed. Of course then it could be interpreted as Lilly just building an even stronger steel fortress around her. But then, what's it going to take to get rid of it? Crack it?
She almost looked like she was upset at what she'd done, or maybe she just didn't want to make eye contact with anybody.
It might not be. It might mean something, who knows?
It's also known as Thor's Hammer, and if I remember correctly is a symbol of protection.
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Post by ccfan on May 12, 2007 11:00:47 GMT -5
While I think Ellen's death was a bit rushed, I think in a sense Lily's finally free of her. I don't think her calling for her mom meant she was dying, just for comfort or closure as other posters have mentioned. I liked the way they all took care of each other in various ways. Especially the Scotty/Lily dialogue on the phone. I don't know if I'd want to see them as a couple, I like the way the support each other as partners & friends. Changing that may change the dynamic.
What about holding the mother accountable for sending a child out to buy her booze & the child getting attacked? Or leaving the kids without food (mentioned during the postpartum episode)? And while my next comments aren't specifically directed as anyone here, as the adult daughter of alcoholics and the sister of another, I have to say "forced fogiveness" is a really disturbing trend. In alcoholic families, children are threatened or otherwise silenced when they try to express things like fear, unhappiness with the situation or anger. I think genuine forgiveness when it comes willingly from the daughter or son is a wonderful, beautiful thing for everyone involved. But forcing someone to forgive BEFORE he or she is ready is re-victimization IMHO. So, coming at it from that, I don't think Lily was forced to forgive, just more that she had some perspective.
And how exactly has she "wasted" her life "despising" her mother? Her experiences and sense of injustice as a child led her to the career she chose. Both Ray & her mom mention in various episodes how she achieved what she wanted, so it seems she's wanted it from a young age. And it's a career which has allowed her to bring justice to others and give those who can't (because they're dead) a voice and a path for justice. I don't see that as a "wasted" life. I see that as someone who has faced difficult situations head on and come out ahead with a sense of compassion and caring. She has her cats & a very nice, usually well kept apartment. She does socialize with people.
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Post by tennessee on May 12, 2007 21:12:14 GMT -5
I really enjoyed this episode (but I enjoy them all). I think that Lilly will pull through just fine, but I wish she would open up some more. I wish she would have some emotional growth that would help her reach out. One thing I totally did not get is that she told no-one in her office that her mom had died. Aren't police officers supposed to have a close bond?
Wouldn't you want to know if the mother of your close friend had died? Wouldn't you want to go to the funeral? I thought the same thing after the "In the Woods " episode - they all just let Lilly walk right past them. No-one went to her or with her. I truly do not get that.
I hope Stillman recovers and STAYS because I think he is extremely hunkalicious! I love the whole show - but I especially am crazy about him (blushing now!)
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Post by myril on May 13, 2007 4:03:57 GMT -5
And how exactly has she "wasted" her life "despising" her mother? Her experiences and sense of injustice as a child led her to the career she chose. Both Ray & her mom mention in various episodes how she achieved what she wanted, so it seems she's wanted it from a young age. And it's a career which has allowed her to bring justice to others and give those who can't (because they're dead) a voice and a path for justice. I don't see that as a "wasted" life. I see that as someone who has faced difficult situations head on and come out ahead with a sense of compassion and caring. She has her cats & a very nice, usually well kept apartment. She does socialize with people. Well said, ccfan, and I agree. Though I think the point for some is, that Lilly seemed to be bitter at times, dwelling on a past, that maybe she should have made a sort of peace with it earlier (doesn't necessarily mean forgiving IMO) and move on - why "waste" time despising someone. Easier if you don't have to face that person again and again, hard if you're in an ambivalent relation like with parents. But you're right, it's not like Lilly didn't do anything else, whining all time about how bad a mother Ellen had been, talking all time about her past - quite the opposite. Difficult, bad experience can create some positive energy in someone, perhaps weirdly enough. The emotion of anger is something that can destroy but as well, give you energy to try to change things to a better. And as you said, forgiving is a wonderfull thing, but it can take a lot of time, before you're ready. No one can force it. tennesse - think, it's an ideal, that people, who so have to rely on each other in some situations, depend their lives on each other eventually, should have a close bond. But Lilly isn't known as being outspoken about her private stuff. Yeah, you can wonder, but that's how people are.  |
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Post by fionac on May 13, 2007 12:12:21 GMT -5
I hope Stillman recovers and STAYS because I think he is extremely hunkalicious! I love the whole show - but I especially am crazy about him (blushing now!) Heh heh, no need to blush because I too think he's hunkalicious (what a great word ;D) |
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Post by kadoom on May 13, 2007 15:04:43 GMT -5
I hope Stillman recovers and STAYS because I think he is extremely hunkalicious! I love the whole show - but I especially am crazy about him (blushing now!) Heh heh, no need to blush because I too think he's hunkalicious (what a great word ;D) Oh yes he is ;D I'm a bit worried about the aftermath. Getting shot should affect both Lilly and Stillman, but in what way? I'd like Stillman to have his own little story arc, but it shouldn't end with him retiring. And Lilly.... I didn't like how she changed after The Woods, and was happy with how she opened up in season 4. It would be a step backwards in her development if she built up her walls again. I hope she realizes that life is short and she should enjoy it now. |
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Post by koufax on May 13, 2007 19:40:58 GMT -5
I hope that CC doesn't "JUMP THE SHARK": to me if Lilly has too many emotional problems or becomes a drunk then it will happen. One great trait about the character is her ability to be strong willed and resist the demons. As was stated in the Spiderman movie, we all have choices in life and its up to us to make the correct one. In the past, that is the path that Lilly has chosen.
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Which makes him a good shot, even if he can't hit his intended target. Next time perhaps he'll aim a foot to the right of the target.
