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Post by 00bomber on May 7, 2007 3:17:42 GMT -5
I'm still getting the episode but I can't wait. The only thing I'm worried about is that they'll stuff it up re woods after marth where there practically was none. Hopefully they've learnt their lesson.
If i wasn't getting the episode off the net I would have to wait til next year, like I did with the Woods and it was unbareable!!!
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Post by hippychick on May 7, 2007 3:52:02 GMT -5
i agree with you there 00bomber i mite get it off the net. in australia they stuff up the scheduling all year and then they put the finale onthe next year except last year we were shown joseph the same year because we all rang up channel 9. where do you get the episodes from
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Post by ruda on May 7, 2007 5:34:49 GMT -5
can someone make screencaps? PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have to see this ep! I think my old L&S Shipper will be back VERY soon ;D
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Post by wildflower on May 7, 2007 5:36:26 GMT -5
I'm still getting the episode but I can't wait. The only thing I'm worried about is that they'll stuff it up re woods after marth where there practically was none. Hopefully they've learnt their lesson. A lot of shows have done that for years thou; they have a big cliffhanger and you spend months thinking about how the first episode of the new season will carry on and continue that storyline but then it's like a while later on the show and it's barely referenced. Very disappointing when they do that so I hope they won't this time. |
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Post by riche on May 7, 2007 6:31:35 GMT -5
I hadn't got around to bring it up under spoilers but I had considered a cliffhanger ending, though it is unlikely to be a real "will X survive or not" thing. CC has never done a cliffhanger. I was thinking, as others have said, that maybe Lilly getting hurt would have been a chance for her mother to change her ways, even if it didn't actually save her. Didn't Lilly look pale at the end  Sorry, had to be said. And her hair was all messed up...  Nice theory on Scotty perhaps having shot Lilly. He did have to shoot the mirrored glass out first so you never know. Good episode. I did my normal trick of suspecting each suspect as the "doer" for most of the show but the nurse guy seemed likely from the start. And the mother was always going to be the writer of the messages because the girl denied it from the start. Lilly putting her gun in the cupboard at the start of the hostage scene looked like a significant plot device to me. I'd assumed that it was going to be got later, but it was just emphasizing that the squad didn't have guns on them. Scotty didn't seem too pleased to see ADA Thomas at the end did he? I guess it was all her fault because she brought the case to them. Plus you could read Scotty pushing her away because of his feelings for Lilly, but I'm not suggesting a major thing. Clearly they are close. |
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Post by Naj on May 7, 2007 7:26:48 GMT -5
Moderator Note here: It's against ProBoards TOS and CBS copyright rights to give you the entire episode. Look Again has allowed partial clips of episodes for request over in the Fan Art forum we have an Episode Clip Request/Still thread. Please head over there.
I never thought of Scotty shooting Lilly. Yikes. Since I was half watching it due to being so upset I'll go look again today. Also Lilly's eyes at the end looked dark instead of their blue color. Anyone notice that? That scene of Lilly looking smooshed against the wall after being shot reminded me of that Bank Teller episode. I can't believe they were that graphic!
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Post by canuckiepen on May 7, 2007 7:29:37 GMT -5
Oh.My.Goodness!
Best one yet! Great song at the end.
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Post by cali1015 on May 7, 2007 8:29:08 GMT -5
Oh.My.Goodness! Best one yet! Great song at the end. my reaction exactly. I don't usually post on here, just read other's opinions, but I just can't resist today The song at the end was perfect and I love that song been hearing it on the radio frequently. I admit that from the second the killer put the gun to lilly's head, I started forgetting to breathe. I am a huge Scotty/Lilly shipper  He's so sweet to her. I guessed that the killer was Kim's caretaker, after all, he would have been in the perfect position to plant that rose and the note in her room. Also, after Scotty and Lilly left after talking to Kim the first time, the killer (did he have a name other than Romeo?) was talking to Kim, writing things on a clip board. That could be chalked up to regular check ups, but it seemed to me like he was checking to see how much she remembered and how much she could tell them that would lead them to him. |
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Post by koufax on May 7, 2007 9:32:20 GMT -5
I thought this was a great episode. By the way, when Lilly tells Scotty to shoot it reminded me of the scene from Clint Eastwood's movie "In the Line of Fire"-almost the exact same words. As for Lilly dying, I think if Kathryn Morris were leaving the show we would have heard of it and I never heard of a star with her magnitude as far as importance to the show being killed off.
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Post by Naj on May 7, 2007 10:20:26 GMT -5
I don't know the answer to that, koufax. If this happens the information will, undoubtedly, be posted in the Spoiler forum.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on May 7, 2007 10:47:12 GMT -5
I think i picked up something here; when Lilly and Ellen were talking about" The Velveteen Rabbit' and Ellen mentions ' He came back to see if the boy was okay'
I think Ellen came back in spirit to make sure Lilly was going to be alright.
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Post by LillyKat on May 7, 2007 12:13:15 GMT -5
Well, I guess I'm in the minority once again ... I did not like this episode nearly as much as I thought I would. It was good/OK, but it left a lot to be desired for me as a result of the executive/creative decisions that played themselves out in this episode. Apologies if this might read rather scathing … One of the things that bothers me with any television show is when I, as a viewer, feel short-changed on a storyline that seems to be very important to the overall development of a character – especially a main character. This has now happened twice for me with Season 4 – at the beginning of the season, with the abrupt turnabout handling of Joseph, and now with the zero-to-dead exit of Ellen Rush. What the …? Even by fantasy TV Land standards, and even with Ellen’s fatal diagnosis, this was inordinately abrupt and, in my opinion, completely wasted a lovely story arc that was just getting into the good parts - holding Lilly accountable, forcing her to forgive, making her make amends with the woman that she has wasted so much of her life despising. It had been really wonderful to watch. Additionally, I felt that by choosing to go in this direction, they crammed the Lilly/mom ending into the finale so as to make the I-see-mom-in-the-light moment for Lilly whilst lying in the ER. It played overly predictable. In fact, I actually found myself saying, “Wait, just watch … she’s going to see mom in ‘the light’ at the end.” Voila. She did. Perhaps what is most disappointing for me, though, is the fact that George Marks’ prophecy seems to really be coming true for Lilly – she isn't changing, and in fact, is going to end up lonely and alone. I wonder if or when she’ll ever get her stuff together in time to realize how much time she’s wasting shutting everyone out of her life until it’s too late. It’s discouraging … especially having had the whole “I can change” routine from last year. I guess I really believed that; but now, I see, that is potentially not ever going to happen. As for the case, I enjoyed the twist on the dangers once again with online identities – with mom posing as her daughter. Quite sad in the end for everyone, even if it was done with harmless intentions. But, I unfortunately figured out who the killer was the first time Lilly and Scotty went to the hospital, so it was only a matter of time until we got to the hostage situation (which played nicely). I normally applaud Veena’s scripts for the dialogue as it always sounds so real, so true, so layered. Like Liz Garcia, she truly knows the voice of these characters inside and out, so everything they say sounds exactly as it should. I enjoy that – and I still was able to do so with this episode. And, I did like Lilly and Scotty bonding once again. I’m not a shipper, but since Scotty appears to be the ONLY person Lilly has in her life that a) knows her beyond the badge; and b) feels she can share some of her life with … cripes, I’m grateful he’s around. I’m surprised there has been no Lilly/Stillman bonding/chats seeing as he seems to be the only other person that "knows" her and of whom she might confide in ... But, all in all, I’ve left this finale in the completely opposite state of mind from last season (which I enjoyed). There is no sense of hope and/or optimism for Lilly – only more loneliness, more sadness, more despair. The woman cannot catch a break, and for this viewer, I wish that she would.  |
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Post by riche on May 7, 2007 12:43:26 GMT -5
Eloquent and incisive as always LK.
As I said (or at least meant) I was surprised that the Lilly/Ellen story didn't get carried over into S5 with Ellen having to become a mother again to the injured Lilly. When we saw Lilly alone on the sofa I assumed that her mother had done a runner. Scotty coming in through an unlocked door was setting up for a "I left it unlocked so she can come back in when she's ready" type line.
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Post by ruda on May 7, 2007 12:46:46 GMT -5
well... all I have to say is: it was nice ep. the best one this season |
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Post by koufax on May 7, 2007 12:52:42 GMT -5
Naj-
What I meant is that Kathryn Morris' character carries the show(look at how many comments are made about KM as opposed to the other celebrities/characters). For me, the others are the supporting cast. I do no see the show surviving if Lilly does not survive.
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Post by coldfan74 on May 7, 2007 13:08:24 GMT -5
Well, I guess I'm in the minority once again ... I did not like this episode nearly as much as I thought I would. It was good/OK, but it left a lot to be desired for me as a result of the executive/creative decisions that played themselves out in this episode. Apologies if this might read rather scathing … One of the things that bothers me with any television show is when I, as a viewer, feel short-changed on a storyline that seems to be very important to the overall development of a character – especially a main character. This has now happened twice for me with Season 4 – at the beginning of the season, with the abrupt turnabout handling of Joseph, and now with the zero-to-dead exit of Ellen Rush. What the …? Even by fantasy TV Land standards, and even with Ellen’s fatal diagnosis, this was inordinately abrupt and, in my opinion, completely wasted a lovely story arc that was just getting into the good parts - holding Lilly accountable, forcing her to forgive, making her make amends with the woman that she has wasted so much of her life despising. It had been really wonderful to watch. Additionally, I felt that by choosing to go in this direction, they crammed the Lilly/mom ending into the finale so as to make the I-see-mom-in-the-light moment for Lilly whilst lying in the ER. It played overly predictable. In fact, I actually found myself saying, “Wait, just watch … she’s going to see mom in ‘the light’ at the end.” Voila. She did. Perhaps what is most disappointing for me, though, is the fact that George Marks’ prophecy seems to really be coming true for Lilly – she isn't changing, and in fact, is going to end up lonely and alone. I wonder if or when she’ll ever get her stuff together in time to realize how much time she’s wasting shutting everyone out of her life until it’s too late. It’s discouraging … especially having had the whole “I can change” routine from last year. I guess I really believed that; but now, I see, that is potentially not ever going to happen. As for the case, I enjoyed the twist on the dangers once again with online identities – with mom posing as her daughter. Quite sad in the end for everyone, even if it was done with harmless intentions. But, I unfortunately figured out who the killer was the first time Lilly and Scotty went to the hospital, so it was only a matter of time until we got to the hostage situation (which played nicely). I normally applaud Veena’s scripts for the dialogue as it always sounds so real, so true, so layered. Like Liz Garcia, she truly knows the voice of these characters inside and out, so everything they say sounds exactly as it should. I enjoy that – and I still was able to do so with this episode. And, I did like Lilly and Scotty bonding once again. I’m not a shipper, but since Scotty appears to be the ONLY person Lilly has in her life that a) knows her beyond the badge; and b) feels she can share some of her life with … cripes, I’m grateful he’s around. I’m surprised there has been no Lilly/Stillman bonding/chats seeing as he seems to be the only other person that "knows" her and of whom she might confide in ... But, all in all, I’ve left this finale in the completely opposite state of mind from last season (which I enjoyed). There is no sense of hope and/or optimism for Lilly – only more loneliness, more sadness, more despair. The woman cannot catch a break, and for this viewer, I wish that she would. I respect your opinion because everyone does seem to enjoy the show in different ways. My guess and i do mean "guess" is that you probably enjoy the storylines of the main characters more than the storylines of the characters and plots of the cases. if that is the case, I can see where you are disappointed and you wouldnt be the only one. I, on the other hand, am the opposite. While I enjoy the plots thrown to develop the main characters now and then, it is a only periphery to me. Otherwise I tend to find them quite distracting against what I think the show is about (Cold Case). I rarely post in message forums regarding the show because it is usually overpopulated with threads subjecting the love lives of Lily and Kite for example which I had zero interest in. Which brings me to the point where I disagree with your opinion about the creative decisions. I think the storylines pertaining to the cold case characters were very raw and outside a typical cliche. For example, I never suspected the lonely mother inadvertently brought the stalker to their demise because of a bad decision made involving online sentiments to the killer using her daughter's identity. It was tragic in every sense in way the connecting lines were made and that is what I enjoy the most. That and in addition to the music the producers introduce in each flashback scene. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy Morris' and the other actors' work and it would indeed be awkward if any one of them left the show but to imply the episode is "sub-par" based mainly on the standards of how the "personal" storyline of the main characters played to me in my opinion, is a bit short-sighted. |
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Post by Naj on May 7, 2007 13:45:35 GMT -5
I agree with RichE here. I thought Ellen left to drink. I really feel this is a missed opportunity for Lilly's character and am sad they aren't persuing more of the Ellen story even if it would have just been 4 eps for season 5. The Lilly shooting would have been a great set up. Evidently they didn't want to go thru an Ellen death scene or burial? How are they going to explain Chrissy not being around? Are they even going to mention Ellen got buried? Is this shooting just a set up to do what they usually do in new seasons ... move on to the next detective that hasn't had the limelight (Kat) while they let Lilly stay in a hospital bed?
One question I do have is how can anyone get into homicide without being checked by a security person when even the detectives check in their guns? Did they portray this correctly in the episode?
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Post by riche on May 7, 2007 14:03:24 GMT -5
We usually see the "ghosts" that people see at the end of the episode, but this time, if Lilly was seeing Ellen, it's probably the first time we *didn't* see a person's view of a "ghost". There was the episode with the baby where we didn't see its "ghost". We did see "ghosts" in this one, the girl saw her family as she was being hugged by Kat at the end. One question I do have is how can anyone get into homicide without being checked by a security person when even the detectives check in their guns? Did they portray this correctly in the episode? When Kat and Scotty talked to the SWAT team she said he smuggled a .38 in in the wheelchair, though quite how she knew that I'm not sure. If Vera was sending her text messages he was making them quite verbose, and he didn't see the guy pull the gun anyway. |
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Post by coldfan74 on May 7, 2007 14:08:55 GMT -5
I agree with RichE here. I thought Ellen left to drink. I really feel this is a missed opportunity for Lilly's character and am sad they aren't persuing more of the Ellen story even if it would have just been 4 eps for season 5. The Lilly shooting would have been a great set up. Evidently they didn't want to go thru an Ellen death scene or burial? How are they going to explain Chrissy not being around? Are they even going to mention Ellen got buried? Is this shooting just a set up to do what they usually do in new seasons ... move on to the next detective that hasn't had the limelight (Kat) while they let Lilly stay in a hospital bed? Kim saw the fading ghosts of her entire family while she was being escorted out during the ending montage. you mustve missed it. This wouldn't be the first time, The Plan the killer stole a gun right in the station. A guessing scenario would be relaxed security by mistake, x-ray machines out of order, or simply sneaking in. |
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Post by sonny on May 7, 2007 14:27:34 GMT -5
A great episode. My heart was completely racing from the moment the gun was pulled on Lilly and the guys. I went through a whole bunch of emotions during the episode which determines a good episode from a great episode. I cried when Scotty visited Lilly at home, and when Lilly was shot. I was pi55ed at Kim and her mom for creating the case that lead to the shooting. I felt the pain that Scotty was going through when his work mates were up there and when he wasn't quite in time to save Lilly. I was also shocked when Stillman got shot. I totally wasn't expecting it to happen that early on in the scence. It was a really intense episode.
However there is a small critism. I thought that Ellen's death overshadowed by the later events in the episode. I would have rather that happened in the episode before, or next season. It's a shame it happened at all actually as I really liked her charater, and the fact that Meredith Baxter is a bit of a TV legend!
Anyhow, overall an ace episode and end to a fanfastic seaon.
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Sorry, had to be said. And her hair was all messed up... 
He's so sweet to her.
