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Post by ebron on Jun 1, 2004 18:16:52 GMT -5
There's a whole lot of speculation (on my part) on the cheapness of some TV stations to get veiwers....Aw crap, who am I kidding? CHEAP CBS!! I really think it would have been interesting to find out Lilly had a stalker, but really...in the middle of the second season, maybe, not the finale?
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Post by Tati on Jun 26, 2004 10:12:19 GMT -5
well, I finally got to watch this episode.
This was a very sad episode. I felt sorry for everyone there, except that disgusting killer, of course. One thing that I specially liked was that after a long time we had a totally "likable" victim. (Remember Greed, Maternal Instincts and The Plan. all the victims were bad people or had done something wrong). Personally I prefer when the victim is someone nice.
That killer was the most disgusting of the season. He was so cruel and he didn't regret even a little bit what he had done. I also thought Wayne was too weak. He could have done something about his father.
Mark seemed to get really involved with Lilly. The way she reacted to that was interesting too, for me she seemed to like it a little bit. I wouldn't be surprised if he showed up again next season. And the scenes where they talked were so interesting! I got the feeling that Lilly had a teenage love story that didn't end very well.
About the Lilly/Kite events... it was really weird. Kite knew from the start how Lilly was connected to her job, so it didn't make much sense he breaking up with her because of that. However, the reasons Lilly gave to justify talking to Mark in the middle of the night were weak and Kite had a point there. But it wasn't a reason to break up, if he really liked her (I starting to think he didn't).
The break-up scene was heartbreaking for me. Lilly was almost crying. I guess sometimes she doesn't want to get too involved with her job but she can't help it. You could see she was really crushed, she seemed to be thinking something like "I can't believe I did that again". Kite was rude at the end, "I'll see you around". But it was a realistic moment.
The Scotty/Elisa moment was also weird. I think they were taking a break from their relationship, until she gets better. I can't tell if she was at her sister's house or at a hospital, though.
About the famous belly rubbing scene..... hmmm... that was odd. I think Lilly had more things on her mind besides the end of her relationship, but I can't really decide what could be. I still don't think she is/was pregnant, for all the reasons I gave on the last week's poll thread. She did rub her belly, but don't we do that sometimes when we're lying on a bed? I don't see anything behind that, but I do see something behind the look Lilly had on her eyes. That case surely brought back memories from her past.
It was a great episode. It left us with a lot of questions. Let's hope we get some answers next season.
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Post by TVFan on Sept 13, 2004 10:14:58 GMT -5
The episode that spawned so much speculation...reruns this Sunday (9/19). I've only seen it once, so I'll be watching very closely this week.
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Post by Trublu on Sept 18, 2004 17:24:22 GMT -5
Kinda strange... they usually use the last episode the week before the season premier... are they not showing an ep next week?
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Post by TVFan on Sept 19, 2004 12:43:50 GMT -5
TruBlu - They're running the season premiere of Clubhouse next Sun. Originally, they were going to run "Maternal Instincts" next Sat at 8pm, but now it looks like CBS decided to rerun Survivor that night instead.  Maybe they'll change their minds. |
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Post by Trublu on Sept 21, 2004 20:23:51 GMT -5
Oh arrgg. We cant seem to get a break, can we? Too bad, maternal instincts is one of my favorites.  |
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Post by TVFan on Sept 22, 2004 10:41:45 GMT -5
I rewatched this ep last night, and paid close attention to all the elements that we've been discussing this summer. After rewatching all the old eps that reran this summer and participating in all the discussions on this board, I think I have a theory as to what was going on in "Lovers' Lane." Mind you, it's just my theory  . I think that Lilly has some definite skeletons in her closet, but I'm leaning away from the possible past pregnancy/abortion angle. When she's talking to Mark on the front steps and she's says that her dreams at 15 were impossible, I think she is referring to her mother. This dialogue is really interesting, not b/c of what it literally says, but b/c of the astute acting on the part of Kathryn Morris. I've always felt that she has a subtly to her (her acting is natural and you don't even notice it), and this scene really shows it. After she says that her dreams were impossible, she has a look on her face that says a lot. It's brilliant b/c you realize that she's hiding something and not just saying that her dreams were impossible b/c they were unreachable or something. Anyway, we know that Lilly's mom is "sick," but we don't know how. My guess is that she got "sick" when Lilly was around 15, causing her to stay in Philly and give up her dreams (whatever they were) to help take care of her. It seems from "Sherry Darlin'" that her sister is not very dependable, so Lilly would have had to at least help with her mom. About the tummy rub, I think that was just a reaction thing. I don't think it was suppose to signify anything, but I could be wrong. I think that ending shot was supposed to show Lilly reflecting on what happened with Kite. Those are just my theories, maybe we'll get some of these questions answered starting in less than two weeks!  |
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Post by Trublu on Sept 23, 2004 13:54:33 GMT -5
Nice theory TV!
That could be it. We've all been assuming that when she refered to her dreams at 15, that they were ruined/sidetracked by something that happened to her. Maybe it was something that happened to someone else...
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Post by Naj on Sept 25, 2004 17:59:25 GMT -5
For some reason when I am signed out of the board there is no "reply button" for this thread. But when I am signed in there is a "reply button". Hmmm....
~Naj
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Post by Ryebeach on Dec 21, 2004 21:13:17 GMT -5
During last nite's chat, this ep came up as one of our faves. CBS announced today that it will be reairing Friday January 7, 2005 at 10:00pm. I've only seen it once so I'm glad they are rerunning it. Lilly had some great scenes with Kite and Mark
Adams. I also think the closing music and scenes were excellent in this ep.
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Post by Naj on Jan 7, 2005 9:56:12 GMT -5
I should try to remember to tape this one. I don't think I paid too close attention to it the first time it ran last year.
~Naj
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Post by byrdman9802 on Feb 25, 2006 15:15:36 GMT -5
Good day everyone, Hello, it's the Byrdman just coming at you today. I hope that everyone is doing well, and that you are all rocking thorugh your weekends like I am! Well, we have reached the end of the 1st season on TNT. The season finale is set on air on Tuesday, March 7 at 10 pm (central time) on channel 245 (TNT on DirecTV). Just wanted to let you all know about this. Hmmm, I wonder if TNT will only go so far in their reruns before they start over, the show is about halfway through the 3rd season, and you would think the reruns would not want to be up against that.  Take care, and have a rocking weekend, everyone! |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 6, 2006 13:13:07 GMT -5
First of all , Kite did not give lilly any chance , this was supposed to be their relationship ,not his. Second , Lilly really wanted a chance at love she really needed him but really didn't express it well ..
Kite came along as very pushy as lilly wanted to take it slow ,she wanted to be sure he was gonig to be there emotionlly ,but he wasn't ..
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Post by queequeg on Mar 7, 2006 17:11:10 GMT -5
This will be my first time seeing this episode. I can't wait.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 7, 2006 19:47:11 GMT -5
Just to compare Kite to Ray, Ray seemed to be the sparkle in her eye. Kite, well he didn't have the same effect ,he didn't care enough to help her emotionlly. I don't think kite even cared after he dumped lilly that she was on the verge of tears. He is the type of guy that just wants to rush into things, we get the impression that Lilly wants to be able to have trust in a man and get to know him a little better. It wasn't meant to be and I think Lilly knew that was the end of their relationship. The reason why lilly did argue with kite was b/c I had a feeling she wasn't truly in love with him from the beginning. If you look at the episode " the badlands" she didn't seem hurt by him in any way , he acted like their whole relationship never existed. Sorry to get off topic again but i think with ray he truly cared for her deeply.
Kite basically made all the decisions in their relationship , like the time she came in with fries and he told her that they we going for drinks now. That's a little demanding and a little pushy towards her .
He knows she really loves her job and works hard to solve all those cases he should have given her a lot of credit
I'm finished putting my two cents in
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Post by boxman on Mar 8, 2006 1:16:57 GMT -5
Wow, it's so funny to read everyone's remarks here, especially since I've only started watching this show in mid-season three. Little did all of you know what was about to happen in seasons two and three.... I'm surprised that no one else commented that Eve looked like Linda Blair, especially with her hair all fluffed-out, eighties style.
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Post by queequeg on Mar 8, 2006 20:21:29 GMT -5
I saw the ep and I loved it so much. Kathryn is such a good actress.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 8, 2006 20:26:25 GMT -5
I really felt sorry for her in the end, just as she was starting to fall in love with kite ... I loved the music this episode a lot , Boxman you are right about eve's hair , i'm glad that hairstyle isn't popular anymore. I think kite should have known better, just b/c lilly is so devoted to her work doesn't mean their relationship had to end, that told everyone that he isn't supportive of her in anyway. Lilly was really starting to love him , deep down it hurt her but she knew that he was going to do this no matter what ...
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Post by Tati on Mar 8, 2006 23:07:18 GMT -5
I don't think Lilly was "falling in love" with Kite, at least not yet. For me her display of hurt was more of a pride thing, or a feeling of failure for not getting any relationship right.
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Post by michelle on Jul 14, 2006 20:11:55 GMT -5
Leave it to me to revive this sleeping thread!
I just tonight finished watching S1 in order, in its entirity. From what I'd seen on the board, I was already negatively predisposed toward Kite. Basically I knew he left her in the end because of her work habits and her emotional distance. And it seemed to me, as I watched their relationship progress, that--sure, he liked her BUT it was kind of a macho thing for him. To prove he could change the workaholic ice princess. And I still will say that I think that was a lot of it for him. The very things that attracted him to Lilly in the first place were the reasons he gave for wanting to leave her. Because she felt the need to "save the world at 3 AM". So, I still place a lot of (maybe just SOME of) the responsibility with Kite.
THAT said. . .
It was perfectly fine for Lilly to go outside and leave Kite inside. HOWEVER--it was clear pretty quickly that this guy (can't remember his name) was NOT there for case related reasons. True, he was "in a crisis" as Lilly said but it was very clear to me (and to HER) that he was having some major attraction/emotional issues with Lilly. Yes, they were superficial, but they were there. And the way I saw this-- she was just lapping it up! Not like she does when she's trying to get the bad guy to confess. This was all about some guy who had it bad for her and she liked the attention while she let Kite wait inside for hours. The body language on her part was unmistakable. That knee pulled up to the chest thing? A very provocative move. And her expression when Kite came out was partially dismay, but there was guilt there too. She knew she was behaving inappropriately.
I still think Kite dropped her way too fast. This warranted discussion, not a flat out dump. So I uphold my opinion that his primary goal (although he may very well not have been consciously aware of it) was to prove he was man enough to change her. Lilly certainly bore some responsibility in it though. Her behavior was Wrong. Period.
A few episodes prior to this one, Kite was starting to see someone else in his office. When Lilly confronted him he said "I haven't heard you say it's just you and me." Granted, that was a macho BS line on his part because Lilly was clearly not seeing anyone else and had no plans to. It was his way of trying to make her pliant to his will (and it worked). After this episode, though, it seems she is quite open to the attentions of other men when she perceives herself to be safe (i.e--attached to someone).
It makes the character more human, makes her real, but I have to say--Kite is not the one who needs to be doing ALL the sucking up if he comes back (current discussion in another thread). I think it more appropriate that she would do the sucking up. Mostly, I have to say--I don't think they belong together. He thinks she's hot. She thinks he's safe. Not a good foundation for a relationship.
If you've made it to the end of this harangue, congratulations! :-)
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Maybe they'll change their minds.
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