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Post by TVFan on May 24, 2004 10:48:32 GMT -5
If nothing else, this ep has sure produced a lot of speculation and discussion! It's great!!  To follow-up on what others have said so well: The whole DNA testing drove me crazy all episode. I couldn't figure out why they didn't just test everyone like on CSI. Now looking back, I think that maybe CSI does it more often than cops really do? I'm sure it's an expensive test to run, and I think you need a warrent. Lilly and Co. was probably waiting until they had enough evidence to compel DNA testing. JMO. Krispy - OMG! I noticed the belly rubbing too, but I thought I was nuts! The first thing that entered my mind like MrsB was pregnant, but then I realized that the writers wouldn't do this to the show. I'm leaning toward possible abortion or losing a child. Wasn't there a reference to her possibly having been married before in an earlier episode (possibly Useless Cats aka Our Boy is Back)? Very interesting topic for them to explore next season. The whole did Kite/Lilly or didn't they question. I think they did only b/c of the level of comfort during that "bedroom scene" before the guy knocked on the door. I assumed they did in "Greed" when she asked if he wanted to "see the girls." I don't think she jumped into bed with him though. They had been together for awhile and they had decided to be in a committed relationship. I was actually quite proud that the writers did this instead of having Lilly just jump straight into bed and then deal with the issues after like so many others shows. JMO  |
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Post by zhaggeo on May 24, 2004 12:09:33 GMT -5
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Post by euphoria on May 24, 2004 13:09:19 GMT -5
Hey...
I am new on this board, so this is my first post.
I have read some things on this topic that i never even thought of. It makes it soooo much more interesting and made me think about it more. I just thought that i would tell people what i thought about events that took place in this episode
About the whole Lilly/Kite thing, i just wanted to say that i was really mad. I felt bad for both of them. For Kite, because he really tried to make their relationship work, but he was right when he said that Lilly is really involved with her job. I felt bad for Lilly because that part, when they were meeting (when he broke things off with her), you could tell that she was really upset and that she was almost crying. And that look she gave Kite when he left at three in the morning; it looked liked she really felt bad and didn't want him to leave. I REALLY truly hope that they get back together next season cause they look so cute together and i really like them as a couple.
At then end when i saw Scotty leave, i didn't even think that he broke up with Alisa (sorry about the spelling) but i really hope that he didn't. I thought that he was upset because he loved her and their relationship was complicated.
As for the actual case, i thought that it was really good, and really unexpected. I had NO sympathy for the father or his son at all. His father was horrible to say and do things to the girls that his son brought home. Like: "Why don't you ever bring home the good one's" or "They were all cows. I was helping them cause no one else would have given it to them" (i don't think that that is completely accurate)
Well, in conclusion... I thought that the season finale for Cold Case was a real cliffhanger as far as the personal aspects of the characters (Lilly and Scotty) are concerned. I am sorry about the long entry. (i will cut it down next time)
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Post by Naj on May 24, 2004 14:13:58 GMT -5
Everyone has such great insights to the show. It make me think....
One thing I'm really happy about is the final rape scene. That they didn't carry it out too graphically. I need to say this: that man was a pig! I hate to admit this but I know people that would talk like that father. "Why do you always bring me the ugly ones"? or something like that. The man needs to go look at himself in a mirror. And I know this has to have happend for some unfortunate young women in life. It's sad.
I didn't think that Lily even looked like that young girl. Anyone feel that she did? Also it was interesting to note that Lily got Mark to understand that she was wasn't his dead girlfriend and he was just transferring his feelings. At least Lily doesn't allow herself to get too carried away to the point of rescuing others and having a personal relationship.
I'm kinda hoping Lily makes, at least, a friend next season.
And, MAO, I'm with you. No new female detective. They have enough detectives on the show already.
~Naj
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Post by krispy on May 24, 2004 15:31:00 GMT -5
OH OH Naj! I almost forgot about that too...I don't think there was that much of a resemblance between Lilly and Eve. Maybe the big hair and heavy mascara threw me off, but Eve's facial features were much more babyish. The only resemblance I saw was in the shape of the eyes even though hers were brown. She definately didn't have Lilly's dazzling smile or pixie-like bone structure. On another note-some people think Lilly really did spend too much time with "witnesses", etc, but to me this shows how sensitive she is to how the clients feel and that there's a genuine concern for these people. I think that as I think about each episode more and more, Lilly really sympathizes with these people because part of her was at one point a victim too. Okay..I'm all babbled out...for now.  |
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Post by CC Fan on May 24, 2004 15:53:45 GMT -5
The episode was kind of weird for me to watch because that girl, the main girl, the actress who played her, I always remembered her as being this young girl and so I just couldn't imagine her as anything else. I sort of wish they'd picked another person, even though the actress was good, it just sort of weirded me out.
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Post by MrsB on May 24, 2004 16:40:40 GMT -5
Quote from Naj: I didn't think that Lily even looked like that young girl. Anyone feel that she did?The only time I really thought she looked like Lily was in the beginning scene when she and her boyfriend were at the pond (at the park?) and she turned around to look at her boyfriend. Something about her face reminded me of Lily at that point.  |
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Post by Guest on May 24, 2004 22:59:35 GMT -5
Am I just crazy, or do other people remember the preview for this episode hyping the fact that because Lilly looks like the victim, she could be the killer's next target? I remember that so distinctly, coupled with the image of her turning her head in bed as if she'd heard a noise (and then it turned out in the episode that everything was all over by that time). I don't understand how this was overlooked by the people who cut the preview. I really don't want to think that they would be that misleading and manipulative, but I can't think of how else it happened....
[P.S. I didn't think Lilly looked like Eve either. At all. That was kind of disappointing, especially considering how well Cold Case usually matches up look-alikes!]
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Post by Naj on May 25, 2004 10:12:18 GMT -5
Am I just crazy, or do other people remember the preview for this episode hyping the fact that because Lilly looks like the victim, she could be the killer's next target? I remember that so distinctly, coupled with the image of her turning her head in bed as if she'd heard a noise (and then it turned out in the episode that everything was all over by that time). I don't understand how this was overlooked by the people who cut the preview. I really don't want to think that they would be that misleading and manipulative, but I can't think of how else it happened.... [P.S. I didn't think Lilly looked like Eve either. At all. That was kind of disappointing, especially considering how well Cold Case usually matches up look-alikes!] Hi Guest! Yes, I think some here thought that about Lily being stalked but I kinda felt that pic of her was a final shot for the episode. The reason being that's how they usually end an episode -- just a lucky guess. That would have been interesting if Lily had been targeted. That would have changed the whole tone of the story. Maybe next season that might happen. It might make for some interesting drama and would, hopefully allow Kathryn's character more screen time. I wouldn't have a problem with that personally. ~Naj |
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Post by euphoria on May 25, 2004 17:22:18 GMT -5
hi... i know that i already wrote something but i wanted to say something else:
My favorite part in the episode was at the end, when Mark and the man that he wrongfilly convicted shook hands. I just found that part amazing and incredibly touching!
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Post by krispy on May 25, 2004 18:03:04 GMT -5
I was thinking about what someone wrote about them finding at least a friend for Lilly. I remember in the episode ( I hope I'm remember the right one) "Love Conquers Al", they brought in a college friend who I think was Sean's (teenage delinquent) lawyer. She was the one who made the comment to Lilly about "unless you'd rather go fly a Kite". Sorry, I'm really bad with names. I think it would be really great for Lilly to have a friend, confidant. Personally, I find it very endearing when Lilly acts girly and shows her lighter side...plus, I think the girl needs new drinking buddies besides Scotty and the boys.
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Post by trublucoldcasefan on May 25, 2004 20:35:46 GMT -5
Yes, i was hoping someone would bring up the topic that Lilly really didnt look like Eve. When i saw Eve in the preview, i was like, i hope that's not the victim, because she looks nothing like lilly. I also noticed in the preview that they said that lilly might be the killer's next target. i think they should have at least thrown in the possibility that she was being followed or something. i was kind of disappointed, i was hoping for Kathryn to get a little more screen time.
Next, at the closing scene, from what i heard, she was rubbing her stomach ( i must have missed it, ill have to go back and watch it) Maybe it was referring to what she had said earlier about her plans at 15 were impossible, maybe her plans had to change because she was pregnant? But i guess if she was, she either lost it or gave it up for adoption, because theres no kid there now...
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Post by TVFan on May 26, 2004 9:33:46 GMT -5
TruBlu- About the rubbing her stomach thing at the end last week...I think you're on to something with the pregnant at 15 and gave the baby up for adoption idea. I thought that it related to what Lilly had said to Mark earlier in the episode as well. I think something like that happened to her when she was around 15. Since they ended with her rubbing her stomach (although very subtle), I think it will be explored next season. Very interesting turn of events though..
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Post by ebron on May 26, 2004 15:57:24 GMT -5
I was just looking over the posts on killy's relationship, and I was just thinking (I'm watching it right now) that when Kite came out of the apartment, Mark had just told Lilly he was "coming on" to her. Maybe Kite stayed in, expected it to last JUST five minutes, loosened his tie, and waited. And waited. And waaiiiitttteedd.  So then he listens at the door, trying to find out what was so much more important than him, and hears Mark's comment. Maybe he just didn't want Lilly and Mark to just..."click" I guess, so he walks out in the middle of the awkward silence. It would make sense to me...in a weird way, but then, I don't know guys that well. Maybe he just wanted to defend his girlfriend...as high school-ish as it sounds. |
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Post by litlcatfeet on May 26, 2004 17:02:59 GMT -5
Quote from Krispy:
"On another note-some people think Lilly really did spend too much time with "witnesses", etc, but to me this shows how sensitive she is to how the clients feel and that there's a genuine concern for these people. I think that as I think about each episode more and more, Lilly really sympathizes with these people because part of her was at one point a victim too."
I'm picking up on the same thing as you, Krispy, that Lilly's sympathy arises out of a feeling that she was once in the same place as that person. In this episode, she sympathized with Mark and Eve and their unfulfilled dreams because she too experienced that. And then in "Maternal Instincts" she really identified with the delinquent teenager, and pushes him to take a hold of his opportunity to have a family again. She says something then about how at his age she wished to have an opportunity like that.
Sometimes, as with Mark, she becomes like a counselor. But I want to say to her, "physician, heal thyself" because it's obvious that in some ways she still hasn't overcome her past. She needs to talk about it with someone as much as Mark needed to talk about his past with someone.
This might have been part of the problem with her and Kite. She opens up to strangers, and reveals some of her past, but with Kite she's always been kind of closed.
Anyone notice how barely involved Lilly was with the solving of this case? Basically, she talked to Mark and that was the extent of her involvement. She was completely uninvolved with the end of the case, the arrest, etc. Usually she is the one to "see" the homicide victim in the end, and it provides some closure. But this time, Mark is the one who sees the victim, not Lilly. It makes the end so much more sad, because not only has her relationship with Kite ended, but she doesn't even get to directly experience the resolution of her case.
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Post by ebron on May 26, 2004 17:10:21 GMT -5
NO...I mean *ahem* it wouldn't be illegal? But really, I have no conscience, so go right ahead! ON second thought, that might not apply to you... |
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Post by CC Fan on May 26, 2004 20:05:54 GMT -5
I totally agree, the promo said Lilly would be the next target, but I've been mislead so many times, I usually tune out what the announcer dude says. However, this was a little extreme. Take, for example, a promo for an old episode of Gilmore Girls. In it, it stated that someone, and I stress, SOMEONE would take the next step and it showed Rory saying something that would imply she was the one who had sex. It turned out that she wasn't the one who had sex and whatever she was saying had nothing to do with sex, but the fact remained that the announcer never actually said it was Rory, the scenes just made you think so. For the Lover's Lane promo however, the announcer actually said that Lily would become the killer's next victim. That actually really bothers me. I kind of feel like it was a cheap shot to bring in some extra viewers. booo CBS.  |
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Post by hollyshannensangel on May 28, 2004 14:12:20 GMT -5
When I read on a CSI forum that someone called Kite a jerk I was okay how can he be...so I asked why, then they told me that he and Lil broek up and he didn't do it decently (the college have blaocked this site off but now my computer is fixed yay lol) I can't wait for this episode to air here in the UK not sure if I'll be sad or not when they spilt....
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Post by mrb03 on May 31, 2004 5:24:50 GMT -5
The previews made it appear that Mark was stalking Lily. I came away feeling that Mark felt there was a hole in his life and Lily (Who he believed looked like Eve) would have been the woman he would have shared his life with. In attempt to get that life he longed for he leaves his wife and tried to start a relationship with Lily.
Perhaps Mark was not happy with his life and was overidealizing his relationship with Eve. If I remember right he told Eve that he planned to be a writer. What happens? He ends up working in the family business.
Lily felt sorry for him.
I wish the network would do a better job promoting CC!
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Post by TVFan on Jun 1, 2004 11:12:10 GMT -5
Add me to the list of people who are unhappy with the way CBS promoted this episode. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't have wanted Lilly stalked, but I don't like the misleading nature of the preview. Since she is the only female character on the show, it would have been annoying that she was in "danger" IMO, so I'm glad they didn't go that route. Having said that, I was really mad that the promo did! It completely twisted the storyline around. I especially didn't like the way it had the shot of Lilly in bed. It made it seem like she was afraid, and in reality she was upset over nothing related to the case. Very annoying! Atleast the episode turned out better than the promo made it look. ;D
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To follow-up on what others have said so well:
So then he listens at the door, trying to find out what was so much more important than him, and hears Mark's comment. Maybe he just didn't want Lilly and Mark to just..."click" I guess, so he walks out in the middle of the awkward silence. It would make sense to me...in a weird way, but then, I don't know guys that well. Maybe he just wanted to defend his girlfriend...as high school-ish as it sounds.
