Episode 2.09: Mindhunter

[melliemel]

ah ok thanx so much for explaining. How did he know about Kite and Lily though? I mean that was pretty personal. it's not like she went aroud blabbing to everyone that she was dating him or whatever they were doing
Has he been watching her for a while then? That's kinda creepish

[Tracylynn]

I have a few more things to mention.

1) This episode was indeed creepy, but I liked it. The actor who portrayed George did one hell of a job. :clap: That actor sure knew how to play it creepy.

2) What I like about this episode was that it was not what we have come to expect. In every episode they have solved a case but this time they couldn't glue the remaining piece so they had to let the killer walk free. I would have to say that by havig this episode it showed that they are not 100% perfect just like the cops in real life.

3) This episode had some good lines. I hope someone can help me out since my mind is drawing a blank but I remember Lily questioning George's manhood and Scotty saying this guy needed to get laid.

4) Loved it when Janet threw the stereo at her husband and hit him in the head. That guy was nasty. Part of me wished he was the killer but that would've been too obvious.

5) If they based this episode on Robert Hansen then who is he? The case that I know about happened in Alaska but I can't remember the guy's name. Was Robert Hansen in Alaska?

Tracylynn

[carousel]

Wow. This was such an amazing episode.

I think George is going to have a role in what happened to Lilly and her sister. They were probably attacked in some kind of way that the other girls were. This would make George want to hunt them. Since George has been a part of the team for awhile, he probably knows more about Lilly and her sister than anybody else on the team does. This seems like a game to him and I'm sure he'll be interested in going after Lilly and her sister.

I don't see how they are going to let this one go by. Even though George did not make a confession, it doesn't mean the case should be closed again. George has made a bigger impact than almost anyone off of the previous episodes I have seen, so naturally, the CC team are still going to be focused on him. I don't think they are going to let this one go, especially with this kind of ending.

I would also like to point out that George kept reffering to "he" when Lilly was trying to get him to confess. This may mean that somebody else was involved. Maybe someone else in the team? This may mean nothing, but I kind of think he would have just avoided the question if there wasn't somebody else.

I have a theory as to why he took their heads. Well, we didn't get all of the victims information but from the 3 that we did get this is what we know...all of them were attacked in some way and fought back. When they fought back the part of the body that they aimed for was the man's head. For example: Janet hit her husband in the head with the radio and the teenager sprayed tear gas at the man's eyes (again in the head). George took away the part of the body that these ladies attacked. I don't think he took their heads as trophies but more like punishment or even as a symbolic gesture.

Nice theory. It makes perfect sense.

My guess is if we do see George again, it won't be for a few seasons.

I disagree. He may or may not show up for awhile, but I think he will sometime throughout the season. Personally, I would like to see him on the next episode.

[V]

carousel said:

I would also like to point out that George kept reffering to "he" when Lilly was trying to get him to confess. This may mean that somebody else was involved. Maybe someone else in the team? This may mean nothing, but I kind of think he would have just avoided the question if there wasn't somebody else.

The reason George kept saying "he" was because he was just hypothesizing and giving the team his insight --even though everybody knew that he was the perp (and George of course knew that they knew, etc.). Had he slipped and said "I" -- which Lilly was pushing him to do (when she kept asking him "what were you doing in the woods," or words to that effect), then they could have used that statement against him (well technically not, since they never read him his rights). Very interesting exchange between the CC team and George. He was definitely very calculating and knew enough about their interrogation techniques to not be coerced into confessing.

[marbleann]

Hi
I am kind of new here. Sorry but I must differ with most people on this thread. This along with the Disco Inferno episodes were my least favorite. I just thought it was very forced to get a thrill. And George was very obvious from the start. He was the carbon copy of Kevin Specey in Seven along with the decapitations. Someone mentioned that you do not need a confession to solve a cold case. Exactly! So why did they just let ihim walk like that. That is why I think this was a weak episode. If you heard the promos u=you knew what was coming. I think Cold Case is one of the best on TV and they don't need to revert to worn out plot twists to continue to be good. Sorry I was ranting, but I was really disapointed. TEXTTEXT

[V]

The beauty about last night's episode is that it was different. Not every cold case can be solved. Not every perpetrator can be caught. Remember, there was no physical evidence and no confession. It's hard to make an arrest and impossible to get a conviction without that. No real circumstantial evidence either. What they should do on the show though is periodically mention George. He is a suspected serial killer on the run -- would be negligent of the police if they just let him go without keeping track of his whereabouts. In reality, George, the serial killer that he is, will probably kill again and then the next victim's blood would not be solely on his hands.

[TVFan]

zschweeb - Welcome to the board! I missed part of the ending that you're talking about too, but I have it recorded. I'll let you know what happened after I re-watch it.

Also, to whomever asked about George, he was the record clerk that Lilly and Scotty went to talk to about the 49 reports on all of the killer's victims.

Oh, and I too neglected to mention the Kite remark. It was classic, and it really shook Lilly. Creepy that he even knew about Kite and Lilly since their relationship was a bit hush-hush.

[melliemel]

Ok I might just be guessing her since I only saw the end...but didn't he kill them all through the years in the month of Nov? Maybe when they continue this it will be next year in the same month? Just a guess

[saywhatknow]

I got something different from George referring to "he" instead of "me" when talking about the killings....perhaps George really does believe that he didn't do it? It seems like he's convinced himself that he really does have some alterego that committed the murders or something. Maybe that's why he's so hard to break.

Also, this episode for me was kind of a flashback to last season's "Late Returns", where Vanessa Prosser's real killer went free.

[V]

That's an interesting theory, Saywhatknow, but I still think that George used the third person because they made it clear in the beginning that they wanted to talk to him to get his insight on this killer.

[peggyk]

I thought this was a great episode because it kept me interested and creeped me out at the same time. That actor playing George was amazing. One question, I have rewound my episode 3 times and I still can't figure out what Lily says to George about his mother. Can anyone help me?

[Ryebeach]

peggyk said:

One question, I have rewound my episode 3 times and I still can't figure out what Lily says to George about his mother. Can anyone help me?

Lilly says, "One more thing George. Age 12, your mother's murdered. What could she have done to you?"

I'm not sure if Lilly thinks George killed her or what it is that she could have done to George as a kid that made him this way.

[melliemel]

I loved when she asked him if she ever dreamt about it. Like he had asked her. I thought that was great!

[peggyk]

Thank you so much ;D I couldn't understand the word "murdered" for anything. Now it makes sense.

[smapdi]

I thought for certain when Lilly was screaming "Who are you out there (in the forest)" in the interrogation room and he finally said "God," that they had him as an admission. But I suppose that he kept insisting that it was someone else, they couldn't nail him for that.

It gave me chills to see him walk out of that room, and moreso to see all the other staffers staring at him as he left. I am hoping that they wrap this up in a future episode and finally get him.

Hey does anyone think that the abundance of taxidermist deer eyes and the missing skulls add up to anything?

[Falling]

I wanted to know, what were those black gumball things? Deer eyes? What exactly are they for?

[robinsox21]

This was a tremendous episode and very well orchestrated. Not every case can be solved and the to find the killer in their own place of employment was tremendous. It was as if he prepared years to be interrogated and knew how to answer every question. He said he studied the investigators and it showed. I don't think this case is over though, I have a feeling we will hear something again out of this story. Great Episode, brought my confidence in season 2 back. Still the sleepover was better.

[V]

smapdi said:

I thought for certain when Lilly was screaming "Who are you out there (in the forest)" in the interrogation room and he finally said "God," that they had him as an admission.

If you listen closely, you can hear George whisper "he is" before he says "God." You can barely hear it.

[Ryebeach]

V said:

If you listen closely, you can hear George whisper "he is" before he says "God." You can barely hear it.

Good ears V. I just re-watched that scene and I heard it also but missed it the first time.

[Trublu]

This episode definitely makes it into my top 5 for a few reasons:

- This case was as unstable as you can get. The victims relatives were shaken (well most of them anywhays) the detectives were shaken, Lilly was clearly shaken, the detectives that werent even on the case were shaken, and the audience (majority) was shaken. This (I believe) is the first serial killing they've had on Cold Case, and the writers did a good job of bringing it in.

- They didnt get the perp. Im sure everyone likes a happy ending, but that doesnt always happen. They couldnt get him to slip up, they couldnt find one shred of evidence at his house (not even his own fingerprints!) or anywhere else, and he didnt do anything to clearly give himself away (like jump out 'here i am' give away)

- A small developement with Chris and Lilly, and it was a little more relevant to the case this time. Last week, it was kinda in your face, here she is and they have a problem. This week, Lilly lost some of her coldness and turned on sister mode. The couch in the basement gesture was cliche, but i think the exact solution that Lilly needed to provide. And also when Lilly lay down next to her sister at the end, couldnt you just feel the love? They may not be on the same page, but Lilly cares about her sister, she wouldnt have been so concerned about her otherwise.

- We know a little more about all the detectives now. Jefferies' wife was killed on the highway ( i think it was a little more than a car crash, George mentioned something about his wife begging?) Stillman hasnt really improved his relationship with his daughter, Vera and Scotty we already knew about of course, and Lilly had a 49 when she was younger. Big development, since now we know that Lilly became a cop for a reason, and that she was a victim of a crime herself. Could affect the way she thinks/reacts on cases.

-Relating to above.... Excellent writing and acting. One by one, as George rattles off the detectives personal lives, their faces go blank. Vera loses his temper (not surprising) and Jefferies manages to keep his cool in the interogation room, but loses it outside. Stillman and Scotty go silent, and Lilly looks like shes going to cry, which does not happen often. Apparently, she doesnt want anyone to know what happened to her or why she became a cop. But Lilly took it and ran with it, fought fire with fire by asking him if he dreamt about his mom. The writers managed to incorperate a little personal lives into the ep without taking away from it, and the actors capitalized on it and delivered a wonderful performance.

-George was an excelent character. He didnt do anything to innitialy draw attention to himself, destroyed any and all evidence, and was knowledgeable about every subject that was brought up, especially those he brought up himself. No better way to mess up the detectives than to shove their personal lives in their faces. The remark that he made about Kite was quite clever, because although he didnt come out and say that he was talking to Lilly, he looked over in the direction of the mirror where he knew she'd be watching, and then after that he did come right out and said "i want the blonde". I think that he kind of thought that the other detectives were a joke, and his asking for Lilly was a signal to the others that he thought so. But, even Lilly seemed a little surprised when he asked for her. We was just a creepy character in general, i liked it.

- They made a big issue out of the confession. They knew that there was no evidence, and without a confession, there was almost no chance of even taking George to trial. In most of the other eps, it is fairly easy for everyone, esp. Lilly, to get a confession once the perp realizes that they have every last piece of evidence they could have left behind. The truth is, it is always reassuring to have a *legit* confession, but some cases could potentially be tried and have a guilty verdict returned without one. But as V mentioned earlier, in most cases, the confession is the thing carrying the case. In this particular case, it would have been pointless to take the case to trial, and the detectives knew it. Im not sure about the confidentiality of the records issue, but even if they could have arrested him for that, im not sure they would. It would be a misdimenor, and would probably cause him to clam up and not talk at all, and that is the last thing the detectives need.

- This is an ep that can be continued later, and im willing to bet that they will. Serial killers dont usually just stop.

Definitely an amazing ep in my books. Was quite disappointed when there werent any previews for a new episode, they could have kept the pace going.