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Post by TVFan on Nov 22, 2004 10:15:07 GMT -5
Airs Sun, November 28th on CBS. From the CBS site: The discovery of a woman’s remains in a wildlife preserve lead Lilly and the team on the trail of a serial killer. Guest Cast List:Janet Lambert: Hedy Burress George: John Billingsley Susan Lambert (1985): Morgan Flynn Susan Lambert (2002): Blake Lindsley Leroy Lambert (1985): Jamie McShane Jack (2004): George LePorte Jack (1985): Jack Stahlmann Thea: Baadja-Lyne Mark James: John Patrick Hayden Tina James: Amanda Thorp Christina: Nicki Aycox DeeDee: Jackie Debatin Driver: Mike Kimmel Frannie: Susan Chuang Herb: Ted Sutton edited ep title note by Naj:Most places don't have this episode title spelled correctly. It is Mindhunter per InsideR. IMDB has it incorrect as well. (KM's movie was Mindhunters) |
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Post by Falling on Nov 28, 2004 20:35:59 GMT -5
*shakes head* All I can say is just...wow. That was very, very sad.
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Post by melliemel on Nov 28, 2004 20:39:10 GMT -5
can anyone tell me what happened in the ep between Lily and her sister? I was taping it on CTV here in Canada and but they showed Shrek instead but I caught the last like 15 mins on CBS and saw that her sister was sleeping on the couch or something. Can someone please help me out??
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Post by Nikki B. on Nov 28, 2004 20:45:27 GMT -5
This episode upset me. Alot.
What I don't get is why they didn't get him for harassment. And aren't those files confidential?
Hmm, maybe I'm looking too much into it, but still.
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Post by Ryebeach on Nov 28, 2004 20:46:54 GMT -5
This episode really broke the tradition of Cold Case and I liked it. I knew who the killer was from the beginning but I never in my wildest dreams thought he would get away. I just wanted one of the detectives to break him in the interrogation room but the fact of the matter is, sometimes the killer gets away and I think it was appropriate for Cold Case to show that. However, I don't want that to become a habit.
That killer was smart but crazy. A real psychopath.
I also liked how the case was not cold, it was still considered a missing persons case.
This case did bring Lilly and Christina a little closer together. I'm glad she became a bit warmer towards her. I didn't care for the ice cold Lilly. It just didn't seem like her, considering how compassionate she is with victim's families.
I thought it was very interesting to see each detectives reaction to having the killer get away. I was curious to see how they react to something like that.
We also got a bit of info on the detectives. Jeffries wife died on a highway, perhaps a car accident. Stillman still is not very close to his daughter, even after last years "Glued." And Lilly had a tramatic experience when she was very young. My guess it has to do with her father. It was really creepy how that killer knew so much about them all.
Overall a solid episode but not one of my favorites. I'm not big on change and even though I give the writer credit for having a killer who got away, I hope in the future to go back to getting the killer at the end.
And InsideR was right. John Billingsley was amazing as George. He really pulled off that challenging role.
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Post by V on Nov 28, 2004 21:04:07 GMT -5
This episode really broke the tradition of Cold Case and I liked it. I knew who the killer was from the beginning but I never in my wildest dreams thought he would get away. My thoughts exactly! I figured out who the killer was early on (or at least thought who the killer was), but I never thought that he would just walk. That was creepy and it was upsetting how the episode ended. I did really enjoy the episode though and I think the change is great, but it shouldn't become norm. I like closure. Will there be a sequel to this ep? That would be nice. There were a lot of questions left unanswered. I am glad though that Lilly felt she needed to get closer to her sister. Has there ever been an ep where the killer is not revealed until the end; i.e., where they have to actually catch the killer and not just squeeze a confession out of him/her in the interrogation room? |
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Post by TVFan on Nov 28, 2004 21:18:08 GMT -5
WOW! This was quite an episode. I'm still shocked at what just transpired. So many things to talk about, where to start?
- I loved he constant twists and turns in this episode. I didn't know who the killer was until the detectives did. I never saw it coming, and I was shocked when he was revealed. I kept thinking that the killer was going to be someone we hadn't met yet. I was also surprised when the detectives learned that the cop they were tracking down was in a wheelchair in Montana.
- The way the killer knew so much about his victims, even singing the song Janet heard on the radio while her husband hit her, was so creepy. The way he hunted them in the woods with night vision goggles, and held the gun to their head was chills-inducing! Great writing!
- Speaking of the writing, I know it's no secret that Veena Sud is my favorite writer, but this episode was close to perfection for me. The way the case was inter-woven with the personal information and character development was amazing.
- I felt that the Lilly and her sister storyline last week was a little forced, but it made perfect sense tonight. After getting used to the idea that her sister was staying in town, Lilly was able to offer her the daybed downstairs to stay while she gets on her feet. I loved the ending scene with Lilly watching Christina as she slept. Lilly's the older sister, and she had genuine concern for Chris. So powerful!
- The killer was so well played by John Billingsley. He really creeped me out. I thought it was pretty freaky that he read Lilly's victim report from when she was younger. This made me wonder if he had considered/still considers her as a potential victim for him. He definitely left the possibility open when he mentioned that they could go hunting together sometime. I thought it was interesting how he stayed two steps ahead of each of the detectives by bringing up old wounds. He knew just the buttons to push with each of them. He even got to Lilly, and she's hard to crack. I liked seeing how each of them dealt with it.
- One of my wishes for this season was to have an ep or two where the killer went free at the end. As much as I hated watching George walk out of the police station, I thought it was very realistic. A guy like that crosses all his Ts and dots all his Is, making him incredibly difficult to catch. I have to think that this case will come up again in CC's future just as the blue paint killer did on CSI. One of the reasons I wanted to see a case left unsolved was b/c I wanted to see how the detectives would deal with this issue. Veena Sud did a fantastic job of showing us how shocked and upset each of them were when the case wasn't closed and the killer wasn't behind bars. What made this case unique was the fact that the guy is a serial killer. He's going to continue to kill. I thought Lilly's reaction was the best. She was so shocked that she didn't crack him. She cracks everyone, but this guy was better than she. To make it worse, her inability, as well as the others', caused a serial killer to walk.
Nikki - I'm not sure about the confidentiality of the files b/c I was a broadcast news major in college, and we were able to get any police report we requested (they're public record). Either way, he had the access, so I guess he would have been authorized even if they were confidential.
Overall, an incredible episode. Definitely goes down as one of the best (if not THE best) episode of the series so far. I hope they fill us in on what happened to Little Lilly. I'm dying to know!
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Post by r2k on Nov 28, 2004 21:37:15 GMT -5
This episode just bumped "The Sleepover" off my list. The music was pretty accurate and they jumped to different years. It was nice to hear a good song from 1985 and actually use it as a clue. More spoilers below.
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I liked this episode. I had a feeling about George early on but kept my options open. For a while, I thought it might be Gil Sherman, who shows up every now and then. The fact that this guy got away didn't surprise me. It was kind of obvious he wasn't going to crack. I had a feeling this is going to be continued further down the line. Here are a few things to think about:
1. The years the victims went missing were odd number years to my memory (1985, 1997, 1999, and 2001)
2. George walking out screams part 2.
3. Perhaps I was blind at the end, but we did not see the victim, did we? If she appeared, let me know when please.
It will be interesting to see how this one turns out. Without a Trace does this sort of thing where part 2 takes places episodes later. Anyway, a lot of information was shared about the cast this episode. I would love to know what happened to Lily. As far as
her sister, I can understand why she was cold to her at first. Remember how she felt about Rosie Miles at first. Lily came around like I knew she would. One bad thing about this episode is that it didn't end with "Stay tuned for scenes from our next episode." It had to happen at some point. Well, I'm going to look at the spoilers section seeing that there is a new post. Hope it's good.
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Post by Ryebeach on Nov 28, 2004 21:57:21 GMT -5
Perhaps I was blind at the end, but we did not see the victim, did we? If she appeared, let me know when please. We did not see a victim in this ep. I guess we only see them when the case is solved which makes sense. My guess is if we do see George again, it won't be for a few seasons. |
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Post by saywhatknow on Nov 28, 2004 21:59:04 GMT -5
Whoa! This episode was intense! The end kind of makes me squirm, but, that's what makes it good. And I gotta say, it's about time we had an unsolved episode. I think it makes the show a little bit more realistic that we finally had one get away.
Like R2K, I agree that there are aspects of this episode that just scream part 2. For example, when Vera and Jeffries were questioning George, he almost screwed up towards the end with the hunting/taxidermy thing. He clammed up and refused to talk anymore. Then Lilly really pushed his buttons at the end, but he took his lead back. The fact that George was perfect but screwed up in a few places, and the hunting comment at the end, makes this episode scream part 2. Maybe next season or, hopefully, later this season.
But I must say it made me squirm to see all the detectives get worked like that. But I really liked the way Jeffries handled it by just walking away from it. I also smiled when Lilly pulled out George's file and read from it.
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Post by vtdrew2 on Nov 28, 2004 22:11:18 GMT -5
I'm normally traveling by car and listening to episodes on Sundays. Unfortunately, due to FB, I didn't get to hear more than 20 minutes. Who is George? Is he the wildlife preserve security guy they were questioning? I can't wait to see this one in reruns.
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Post by Tracylynn on Nov 28, 2004 22:11:55 GMT -5
I will have to say that this episode along with 'The Sleepover" is one of the best so far this season. And for once CBS was right when they said the ending would be a surprised. I know I was surprised to say the least that they were not able to arrest him. With him walking out the door I have a feeling that he'll be back. Why? When he said "he wants the blond" they made it seem like Lily was/could be a target. If he does come back I would say that it be within the next few years.
I have a theory as to why he took their heads. Well, we didn't get all of the victims information but from the 3 that we did get this is what we know...all of them were attacked in some way and fought back. When they fought back the part of the body that they aimed for was the man's head. For example: Janet hit her husband in the head with the radio and the teenager sprayed tear gas at the man's eyes (again in the head). George took away the part of the body that these ladies attacked. I don't think he took their heads as trophies but more like punishment or even as a symbolic gesture.
I will say that the chairs were turn when George started using some of the detectives private information on them. They was something that they were not used to and it's also a little eerie to know that someone knows their most private and confidental information. What was interesting to see was how they handled it. Lily, Jeffries, and Stillman did a fine job. They reacted with only the look on their face but Vera and Scotty almost went after him. To me that shows who actually can and can not handled adversity like that.
I will say that I want to know the rest of the stories, especially Lily's. Did you see the look on her face when he talked about why she became a cop. She looked like she was gonna cry. It hit home to say the least.
This case reminded me of a case I saw on the original "Cold Case" show and it did take the cops some time before they could actually get the guy. I wonder if this story is based on that case.
One last thing...when George was walking out did you guys see the look on the faces of the other cops. They were shocked. I guess they thought that Lily and the others could get the guy.
Well, that's all I can think of right now.
Tracylynn
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Post by Ryebeach on Nov 28, 2004 22:36:00 GMT -5
One last thing...when George was walking out did you guys see the look on the faces of the other cops. They were shocked. I guess they thought that Lily and the others could get the guy. I did notice that Tracylynn. I think they all felt a killer never gets away from the Cold Case squad and they were speechless to see him walking away with that evil grin. I also think Lilly was in disbelief she couldn't get him to crack. She's always been able to break them and you could see it in her face how desperate she was at the end. But George could see it to and I think that only made him more confidant. |
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Post by Falling on Nov 28, 2004 22:37:02 GMT -5
I have the feeling that George was really eating up all the cops looking at him, seeing him walk free. Since he loves being powerful, obviously seeing the other cops under him makes him feel even better. This case is definetly based on the Robert Hansen case, who also hunted his female victims. Sorry, I'm a criminology nut.  |
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Post by Ryebeach on Nov 28, 2004 22:43:54 GMT -5
Forgot to mention the quip from George about Kite in the interrogation room. Very funny. Lilly's reaction was great.
Also, this episode marked the third appearance of the recurring character Frannie, played by Susan Chuang. She was also in "Maternal Instincts," and "The House."
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Post by cherzee on Nov 28, 2004 22:53:51 GMT -5
Just a little insight into Lilly's life- near the beginning of the ep when Lilly,and Scotty went and got the victim records from George-he mentioned something about 49's.- the victim's were assaulted, raped, or victimized in some fashion. When George was in the interrogation room with Lily he mentioned that he knew of her "49" report. Lily must of been a victim of some crime-maybe somebody connected to her sister-maybe that is why she was not so forgiving towards her sister in last week's episode.
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Post by zschweeb on Nov 28, 2004 23:09:52 GMT -5
hi new to the board. here in ny the football game caused the show to air late and even though i taped for an hour and a half i missed the last few mins last thing i saw was lily trying to leave the room and george yelling at her not to walk out can anyone give me a recap of the rest of the show it was only a few mins i am getting the gist of it from what i have read but would like to know the whole ending if it is at all possible woithout ruining it for someone else
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Post by melliemel on Nov 28, 2004 23:33:03 GMT -5
what did george say about Kite? sorry missed 45 mins of the ep  |
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Post by cherzee on Nov 28, 2004 23:54:52 GMT -5
Hi MELLIEMEL
When George was in the interrogation room with Vera, and Jeffries- George mentioned Kite with regards to them not being able to bring evidence against him.Also,that they do horrible police work- Vera and the gathering of evidence in the Badlands episode. And something with regards to the fact that this wouldn't be the first time Kite would be disappointed,or something to that affect. After George made that comment he looked towards the glass, knowing that Lilly would probably be standing there listening to his comments.Personal and profeesional digs to get under their skin.
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Post by misguided freak on Nov 29, 2004 0:29:44 GMT -5
This? Was excellent!
It was the creepiest episode of CC I've seen so far, and just the fact that the killer walks off makes it all the more memorable. A break from tradition, but it worked really well this time.
I liked all the Greek references there were ... Orion, Atalanta, etc. Just made the Classics Geek inside of me really happy.
My favourite part of the episode is where we learned a little bit more about everyone on the team. The actors all did a wonderful job. I particularly loved Thom Barry (trying to remain calm so George won't get under his skin, but afterwards knocking down a chair in frustration) and Kathryn's reactions (angry, hurt, scared, but not letting George get to her, all at the same time), they just broke my heart.
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