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Post by sonny on Apr 4, 2006 9:51:51 GMT -5
But kinda too nosey don't you think? I mean when it was him and Chris, he didn't want anyone spreading it around and butting in [although I am aware that was cos he didn't want lilly finding out], yet it's okay for him to rib Lilly. When the guys teased him about not shaving that time he really didn't like it. :smile10:
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Post by emptymoment on Apr 4, 2006 10:37:03 GMT -5
What's with these two speculation of Lilly having a daughter?? Are they just guesses, or could this be something that actually occured in her twenties?? We don't seem to know much about those years.... It's possible that she was pregnant, and either had a miscarriage or an abortion. I remember watching 1x16 Volunteers, and she's talking to the girl who had the abortion, and there was something about Lilly's expression that made me think she might've had an abortion as well.. But of course we don't know anything for sure.  |
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Post by boxman on Apr 5, 2006 0:11:19 GMT -5
What's with these two speculation of Lilly having a daughter?? Are they just guesses, or could this be something that actually occured in her twenties?? We don't seem to know much about those years.... It's possible that she was pregnant, and either had a miscarriage or an abortion. I remember watching 1x16 Volunteers, and she's talking to the girl who had the abortion, and there was something about Lilly's expression that made me think she might've had an abortion as well.. But of course we don't know anything for sure. , can you elaborate on your observation? I started watching Cold Case from the third season, and have only seen a handful of re-runs from seasons one and two. Your comments will be very interesting for me to hear, especially since episode "1x16 Volunteers" is several episodes earlier than episode "1x23 Lover's Lane". Thanks.  |
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Post by frenchfan on Apr 5, 2006 3:32:35 GMT -5
What's with these two speculation of Lilly having a daughter?? Are they just guesses, or could this be something that actually occured in her twenties?? We don't seem to know much about those years.... It's possible that she was pregnant, and either had a miscarriage or an abortion. I remember watching 1x16 Volunteers, and she's talking to the girl who had the abortion, and there was something about Lilly's expression that made me think she might've had an abortion as well.. But of course we don't know anything for sure. I think that Lilly is particularly shocked by the way in which the abortion was practised. And how illegal abortion doctors not scrupulous benefitted from despair from the women. I think that Lilly was just very invested in this case. Then yes, at the end Lilly takes the picture of Julia and Gerard out of the box and keeps it but she wants honor them. (if she had had an abortion she would like forgotten, she would not keep this photograph, it is too morbid). Beaten at 10 years, an alcoholic mother, not of father, a love of youth lost, a sister who takes her darling... and perhaps now an abortion. She had enough dramas in her life. Too much it is too much. |
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Post by emptymoment on Apr 13, 2006 19:18:43 GMT -5
EmptyMoment, can you elaborate on your observation? Yeah, I will..I just need to watch it again, and life's really busy atm, but I'll do it soon, I promise! |
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Post by boxman on Apr 13, 2006 19:36:10 GMT -5
EmptyMoment, can you elaborate on your observation? Yeah, I will..I just need to watch it again, and life's really busy atm, but I'll do it soon, I promise! LOL ;D Thanks...and hey, I understand!! I got two loads of laundry sitting downstairs as I type....  (and my belly is aching for food...) |
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Post by emptymoment on Apr 17, 2006 8:32:17 GMT -5
Okies, I made time to watch it, otherwise it would've taken weeks.  Lilly is talking to Renee, and she's saying that she was 17 when she got pregnant. She wasn't rich or going to college or anything, but she wanted to get out..make something better for herself, and that wouldn't be possible with a baby in high school. When she says this Lilly says "sure..", and looks away and kinda zones out for a few seconds. Of course this doesn't mean Lilly was pregnant at a young age, she could've just related to the 'wanting to get out' thing..guess it can be interpreted in different ways. |
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Post by boxman on Apr 19, 2006 0:25:35 GMT -5
EmptyMoment, I just caught the episode 1x05 "The Runner", and I thought it was the one you're talking about here...but it wasn't! In fact, in "The Runner", Lilly also makes a weird pause as a woman tells her of losing a daughter! 
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Post by emptymoment on Apr 25, 2006 13:01:22 GMT -5
Hmm..don't think I noticed that..although I don't really remember much at all from that eppy. But will have to check it out. Thanks!  |
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Post by Disasterfreak on Apr 25, 2006 17:04:33 GMT -5
I think that Lilly is particularly shocked by the way in which the abortion was practised. And how illegal abortion doctors not scrupulous benefitted from despair from the women. I think that Lilly was just very invested in this case. Then yes, at the end Lilly takes the picture of Julia and Gerard out of the box and keeps it but she wants honor them. (if she had had an abortion she would like forgotten, she would not keep this photograph, it is too morbid). Beaten at 10 years, an alcoholic mother, not of father, a love of youth lost, a sister who takes her darling... and perhaps now an abortion. She had enough dramas in her life. Too much it is too much. I'm SO with Frenchfan on this. It's too much already. The writers gotta know when to quit. Too much drama = soap opera = . |
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Post by emptymoment on Apr 26, 2006 6:39:32 GMT -5
I totally agree with that DF, they shouldn't turn it into a soap opera. But what do know for sure has happened to Lilly? Her mom was an alcoholic which made her childhood extremely bad (ie getting attacked and the bad relationship with her mom), her sister's a b*tch, and she was betrayed by her fiancee. Then there's the whole George thing. But none of these are her faults, or her doing (well, maybe apart from the fact that she went to George's house, but I wouldn't expect anything else from her). Wouldn't it be strange if Lilly didn't have anything she regretted or blamed herself for (like losing a child)? Dunno if I'm making any sense, but what I'm trying to say is that the things that we know have happened to her could happen to any person. So IMO if Lilly had an abortion or lost a baby, it wouldn't be too much drama. And another thing I keep thinking about when I see how Lilly reacts to certain things is that Kathryn said in an interview that she's made up things that's happened to Lilly that no one will know about, not even the writers. (And the writers have made up things about Lilly that we don't know about yet.) So what I'm thinking is that Kathryn uses those things, and from what we know about Lilly her reactions don't make any sense (like with this abortion thing). And if those reactions are all part of Kathryn's acting method, then we're not supposed to know..and if that's the case, then the writers aren't putting to much drama in Cold Case. This turned out really long, and probably made very little sense, am horrible at explaining things like this..sorry about that. |
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Post by myril on Apr 29, 2006 1:01:46 GMT -5
emptymoment - I think Lilly already feels guilty for some things even if from an objective point of view they hadn't been her faults. There are enough indicators that she blames herself for not getting all love and support from her mom for example. And I'm sure she is questioning her own judgment about guys partly because of what happened with Patrick.
Yeah perhaps it could happen to any person, but I would be glad if they don't add more new drama in Lilly's past, because I think, you don't need to have a bad thing happening every year to struggle with yourself and life at times or even most of the time. TV tends to exaggerate and probably would be boring if not, on the other hand I think, a character like Lilly is a rolemodel especially for young women. Putting more and more drama into Lilly's life could suggest you have to have so much drama to be an interesting or impressive person, someone others recognize and appreciate. For me that is the main reason to not want anything more in Lilly's life and past at the moment. there is enough to deal with IMO.
Well, and to me Lilly's reactions made sense without the thought of her having an abortion. IMO Lilly simply reacted to Renee saying "I want to get out" - something I'm sure Lilly could sympathize and identify with.
Think that was something that Ray first stood for back then, a hope to get out of her current life, to find something better. But guess after a while Lilly understood that Ray wouldn't be the one giving her something she seeked for, reliability and stability.
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Post by spacecookie on May 15, 2006 6:58:38 GMT -5
Hi! I thought, Ray was the man she (Lilly) wanted to marry some years before? Isn't he the one who slept with her sister?? (sorry for my bad english - I'm german ) And does somebody of you know more about Brennan Elliott? Does he played in Strong Medicine?? How old is he?? Thanks, and many greetings from Germany Alexandra |
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Post by TVFan on May 15, 2006 10:37:10 GMT -5
Hey spacecookie! Welcome to the board! Ray is NOT the guy that slept with Lil's sister (that was someone we haven't met named Patrick). Ray is just a guy that she had a fling with when she was 19, and almost eloped with, but they both thought better of that decision. I don't know much about Brennan Elliot, but I do believe that he was in Strong Medicine. |
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Post by emptymoment on May 16, 2006 15:40:07 GMT -5
I don't know much about Brennan Elliot, but I do believe that he was in Strong Medicine. Yup, he was! |
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Post by samanda on May 26, 2006 21:22:30 GMT -5
Re-Air Date: 6/18/06 (SUNDAY)
Time Slot: 8:00 PM-9:00 PM EST
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Post by boxman on Jun 18, 2006 20:23:09 GMT -5
Philly doesn't have a "Softshell Cafe", though we do have a "Hardshell Cafe" on Market Street-East. I had lunch and a beer there once. Good food. Ahh.. just saw the re-run. Turns out that it was "The Soft Shoe Cafe" Roween recommended to Julius. Oh, well... Even more reason why we need those DVDs... |
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Post by mikencelia on Jun 19, 2006 13:00:19 GMT -5
I just saw this episode for the firsttime last night. I did not care for it at all. The case was hardly interesting and made little sense. This girl may have been plain, but she seemed together enough not to go along with fixing a bank robbery just to gt some real life romance. The whole crime story was forced and pushing it.
As for Lily and this Ray....last saw him when they were 19 and she just goes along with him out of the blue now. Ridiculous. The character of Lily is of a much more self-assured, secure, SMART woman.
And why do they always have the same type of guy come along? It's as if the producers say, "Ok, call over to central casting and send me the bad boy with arrested development. Geled hair, three-day old beard, motorcycle and leather jacket.
Who says that's what makes women weak in the kneees. Maybe some, biut it always seems to be this type of guy they show. I'll take my short, chubby, mildly handsome hubby any day over those motorcycle morons.
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Post by LillyKat on Jun 19, 2006 15:31:34 GMT -5
Caught the re-run last night, so I've seen this a couple of times, now (having gotten it as part of the Emmy DVD) ... each time I've viewed it, I think the biggest issue I have is how Ray just sort of rides into Lilly's life - literally. I guess that was supposed to be the whole premise, but ... I just did not quite buy it. On a rational day, I can get behind what the ep was trying to establish in terms of another 'What do I really want?' moment for Lilly - the past, the present or something else that has not revealed itself as yet (which, of course, it did in "Joseph"). Kind of getting to the whole not wanting to be alone thing (which came out a few eps later in "Beautiful Little Fool"). But, the actual scene where Ray rides up did not quite work for me - sort of seemed inconsistent. Lilly, by most accounts, was not interested in the beginning of the ep. If anything, she seemed embarrassed and/or just really not wanting to "go there" (as the saying goes). Now, perhaps she was fronting for the team, but she goes through a whole day (or 2?) without so much as seeming to give a care - even seems freaked when he does ride up - then suddenly goes to mush with one walk down the stairs ...? Huh? (Kathryn's fabulous smile that she flashes in that scene not withstanding ... ... ) Okay, perhaps Lilly still has a weak spot for him (not quite full closure on having almost married him, part of her is still a bit of rebel, etc.), but I would've at least expected her to walk up and grill him for a second or two, not just hop on and take off. That was like something out of Grease. LOL! Again, thinking about everything she's been through over the past year or so (sis, George, etc.), that whole sequence did not quite work for me. For him to ride up out of nowhere ... seems to make more sense to me to have had him parked there, waiting for her to leave ... what was he, like, stalking her or something to know she was going to come out at the precise moment? LOL! But playing my own Devil's Advocate, Lilly is not always rational, she does not always do the right thing in her personal life, and perhaps she was still trying to feel out if there was something left to salvage - maybe it was a comfort to touch back to something in her past that was not all that bad. It was an un-Lilly-like moment, which I've said I do like. But I perhaps like this un-Lilly-like moment the least. All in all, sort of undecided on this ep. I like it, and then I don't. |
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Post by tiger_lilly on Jun 19, 2006 16:35:43 GMT -5
... what was he, like, stalking her or something to know she was going to come out at the precise moment? LOL!  HAHA! Good point! I so agree with all your thoughts on this ep LillyKat. Very well said  |
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