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Post by boxman on Mar 9, 2006 17:35:02 GMT -5
Good point boxman,. they did act like teenagers, but half of adults act like that .. Maybe it was an buried impulse that lilly had to unleash. She works all the time , a little bike ride isn't going to hurt. , it seems as if you don't understand what I'm saying here. I don't really have much of a problem that they went out or stayed in to have fun. Its just that having spent the night together, they didn't have a conversation, and that's unlike most adults their age. If they were in bed together, wouldn't it be natural for Lilly to ask how long he was staying in Philly? I think any woman (especially at her age) would like to know if something was just a one-night stand or more lasting. Ray said in the interrogation room that he came up to Philly to tell her he runs the repairshop. Well, why didn't he tell her that the night before, rather than the next morning when the relationship was beginning to get on the ropes?? Kinda like an improvised, last minute thing he thought of to impress her?? Why wait for so long to compliment her on her acheivements? If I understand Lilly's backstory, at nineteen, her relationship with both parents were very bad. Do you think he had any concern or interest if things had gotten better or worse since the last time he saw her? Whether her parents are still alive or have past away, or if they are still in good health or not? They knew so little about each other the next day, completely as if they had not spoken to each other all evening, and that's what I find very un-adultlike--not that they had some fun the previous night..... |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 9, 2006 17:42:49 GMT -5
Mayeb b/c i don't b/c I haven't been in love with a guy yet. It's hard to understand from their POV if you haven't had that experience yet. But I wish i did. I just feel that lilly might have a second chance with ray
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Post by boxman on Mar 9, 2006 17:57:00 GMT -5
Mayeb b/c i don't b/c I haven't been in love with a guy yet. It's hard to understand from their POV if you haven't had that experience yet. But I wish i did. I just feel that lilly might have a second chance with ray It's not about being "in love". It's about being someone's friend and having concern and interest about their life and asking about it, that's all. I think its strange that they never asked basic questions nor made some very basic comments to each other. Well, they want to shut down the box factory now...I have to log off...I'll see ya later!! |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 9, 2006 18:00:33 GMT -5
That was a better point mayeb that's the impression the writers want us to have so all we have left to do is wonder
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Post by Disasterfreak on Mar 9, 2006 18:49:51 GMT -5
Mayeb b/c i don't b/c I haven't been in love with a guy yet. It's hard to understand from their POV if you haven't had that experience yet. But I wish i did. I just feel that lilly might have a second chance with ray It's not about being "in love". It's about being someone's friend and having concern and interest about their life and asking about it, that's all. I think its strange that they never asked basic questions nor made some very basic comments to each other. Well, they want to shut down the box factory now...I have to log off...I'll see ya later!! I find that extremely odd as well. Not only off character, but incoherent. You do NOT meet up with an old flame, even for a quick roll in the hay, without at least TRYING to catch up. That's too much silence--even for Lilly. |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 9, 2006 19:02:05 GMT -5
Made it was meant to be like this , who knows
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Post by Tati on Mar 9, 2006 19:58:50 GMT -5
My solace rests on the belief that we won’t see Ray again. Too bad for my eyes, but better for Lilly and the show. Wow! Sacrificing your eyes for the sake of the show!  What a dedicated fan!  Yeah, the things I'm willing to do for this show and for Lilly.... *sigh* I didn't earn the "Lilly Ho" title for nothing, as you can see. ;D :smile31: |
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Post by TVFan on Mar 10, 2006 11:43:08 GMT -5
You do NOT meet up with an old flame, even for a quick roll in the hay, without at least TRYING to catch up. That's too much silence--even for Lilly. Very well put disasterfreak. Seriously, I think I would have been more OK with this whole thing if they had shown the two of them in bed TALKING after the fact or whatever. At least that way, we would: 1) Learn more about Lilly (always a bonus) 2)Felt that these two had more than just a physical relationship 3)Learned more about Ray, which in turn, may have led us all to like him more 4)Maybe, just maybe, felt better about the storyline I don't know. InsideR says that scenes get cut out, and maybe they filmed something like this, but it landed on the cutting room floor. I know I'm grasping, but I'm trying to keep the faith!  |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 10, 2006 11:53:29 GMT -5
[quote author=tvfan board=episodes thread=1139161893 . InsideR says that scenes get cut out, and maybe they filmed something like this, but it landed on the cutting room floor. I know I'm grasping, but I'm trying to keep the faith! [/quote] Is there a way to find those scenes |
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Post by boxman on Mar 10, 2006 12:21:12 GMT -5
You do NOT meet up with an old flame, even for a quick roll in the hay, without at least TRYING to catch up. That's too much silence--even for Lilly. Very well put disasterfreak. Seriously, I think I would have been more OK with this whole thing if they had shown the two of them in bed TALKING after the fact or whatever. At least that way, we would: 1) Learn more about Lilly (always a bonus) 2)Felt that these two had more than just a physical relationship 3)Learned more about Ray, which in turn, may have led us all to like him more 4)Maybe, just maybe, felt better about the storyline I don't know. InsideR says that scenes get cut out, and maybe they filmed something like this, but it landed on the cutting room floor. I know I'm grasping, but I'm trying to keep the faith! And for me, this whole Lilly and Ray affair is so uncharacteristic of the show too. In the short time I've been viewing Cold Case, I've seen so many great scenes with heartfelt moments through dialog, expressions, and camera shots. And you know too, TVFan, how much I say this show boggles my mind with how accurate and realistic their facts are. I don't understand how on one hand they are so meticulous and clear, and then give us this story that leaves us scratching our heads!!!! Wow! Sacrificing your eyes for the sake of the show! What a dedicated fan! Yeah, the things I'm willing to do for this show and for Lilly.... *sigh* I didn't earn the "Lilly Ho" title for nothing, as you can see. ;D  Well, to try and look for a silver lining in this, I think it would be interesting if the story took a turn like what you're thinking for yourself, Tati. If Lilly ends up thinking something like, 'Ray's a nice eye-candy boy toy, but I'm better off without him," like she almost did the next morning, she'd appear much stronger and independant, and less needy and reclusive. It would be nice to see her and Kat go out sometime and go guy hunting. (>>>Irish Pub<<< ) Then, her social life would be more active and I'd be less inclined to think she and Scotty (or any other guy at work) would hook up.... |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 10, 2006 12:37:45 GMT -5
I agrre with you Boxman , she seemed much more stronger that morning, maybe sleeping with him is alll she wanted from him , I can't be the judge of that b/c the writers never clued us in on what really happened . I think from now on Lilly will have a better social life, She's ready to find someone to settle down with. She realized that she in her thirties and can't chase teenage dreams, ray might have been her number one smile. Maybe Kat knows someone that would be perfect for her ..
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Post by Disasterfreak on Mar 10, 2006 15:59:50 GMT -5
I guess the writers planned for it to be this way, to leave people scratching their heads, some hating this, some loving it. They're probably clapping each other on the back now and saying "right on" or something like that. Hmmph. I just wish they hadn't sacrificed MY Lilly for that. It's all good and nice to be controversial, and to make viewers see people and situations in different way--and I'm probably being selfish--but I've found myself liking Lilly a bit less now. And considering what a Lilly ho I am, that's kind of a shame.
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Post by sonny on Mar 10, 2006 16:14:33 GMT -5
I guess the writers planned for it to be this way, to leave people scratching their heads, some hating this, some loving it. They're probably clapping each other on the back now and saying "right on" or something like that. Hmmph. I just wish they hadn't sacrificed MY Lilly for that. It's all good and nice to be controversial, and to make viewers see people and situations in different way--and I'm probably being selfish--but I've found myself liking Lilly a bit less now. And considering what a Lilly ho I am, that's kind of a shame. She'll do the right thing and you will love her again DF. You should love her unconditionally anyway, everyone makes mistakes and in your eyes she's made a huge one! :smile11: To me as always she is perfect and can do no wrong :smile58: ;D |
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Post by Disasterfreak on Mar 10, 2006 16:26:43 GMT -5
It's not that she made a mistake... I can't really explain. It's that her personality's different from what I thought it was, which was what I loved about her. Basically, I feel that she's not the person I'd made her out to be, that I was wrong. And that's sort of disappointing. If it were treated like it was just a mistake, I'd feel better I think. It's not about doing the wrong or the right thing... I love Lilly doing the WRONG thing, like when she snapped at Scotty--just not THIS wrong thing.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 10, 2006 19:55:46 GMT -5
Lilly is only human, she entitled to sleep with a guy she hasn't seen since she was 19. People do changed and for lilly we are seeing a side of her that wasn't seen before. Maybe b/c her walls have broken down , she might be willing to start dating again. she knows that her job can't be her entire life so maybe she will devolop a fun side to her , Well made we will see that side in season4 . Even new season brings out more in Lilly , she changes like the seasons .....I hope that ray doesn't return ,it doesn't look like their relationship will go any further then this , it was a one night renioun , they said what they wanted to say the end...
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Post by sonny on Mar 11, 2006 4:36:17 GMT -5
Well actually LLI they didn't say anything! That's why I want him back; so we can find out what the hell Lilly wanted him back around for and at least get some info about her past, otherwise what was the point of him turning up in the first place. :smile10:
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 11, 2006 5:45:07 GMT -5
The question is does lilly really want hear or talk about the past with ray. Lilly is kind of moving foward with her life not back. Say he comes back , as much has I really want to know about her past , Lilly might want to talk about the here and now and how he's been .
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Post by boxman on Mar 13, 2006 8:45:29 GMT -5
I agrre with you Boxman , she seemed much more stronger that morning, maybe sleeping with him is alll she wanted from him .. , it seems as if you misunderstand me. I'm not saying that she will be a stronger person by sleeping with him--in fact, I'm saying quite the opposite: that Lilly will be stronger if she had avoided sleeping with him. I hope you re-read my post to understand this point of view. I want to emphasize that I've been trying to make a case throughout this discussion that Ray slept on the couch and they didn't sleep together. Tati is also saying the same thing about Lilly and Ray's relationship: That even though he's attractive and physically desirable, its better for Lilly to not be involved with this guy. |
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Post by Tati on Mar 13, 2006 9:23:16 GMT -5
The question is does lilly really want hear or talk about the past with ray. Lilly is kind of moving foward with her life not back. Say he comes back , as much has I really want to know about her past , Lilly might want to talk about the here and now and how he's been . Well, if she doesn't want to hear or talk about her past with Ray, then she shouldn't have called him (as some of us assumed she did) and gone out with him. Then she'd better have gone out with a new, "history-less" guy. In my opinion if she had moved on she wouldn't call a guy she dated when she was 19. Of course that she's entitled to go out and sleep with any guy she wants. But what we saw was such a meaningless hook-up that it doesn't look like something good is gonna come out of it. |
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Post by frenchfan on Mar 13, 2006 11:21:13 GMT -5
It's not that she made a mistake... I can't really explain. It's that her personality's different from what I thought it was, which was what I loved about her. Basically, I feel that she's not the person I'd made her out to be, that I was wrong. And that's sort of disappointing. If it were treated like it was just a mistake, I'd feel better I think. It's not about doing the wrong or the right thing... I love Lilly doing the WRONG thing, like when she snapped at Scotty--just not THIS wrong thing. I don't find that this episode moves away us from the character of Lilly, quite to the contrary. Lilly lives continuously in the past, in that of the others but also in his. Its own wounds are not closed again. Its meeting with Ray seems me to be in this logic. (It is wounds which it 's necessary to again open for better closing again them). I think that it's an even positive significant meeting, especially if it is Lilly which wanted it. |
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