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Post by eli on Sept 29, 2006 16:36:07 GMT -5
Deffinately one of the best episodes ever! Both previous seasons were like...well... not too much good episodes. Only a few ones. Hopefully it will keep for the rest of the season. Anyway, about the episode: Too bad Stillman seemed to still tiffed to Lil, anyway who cares. She has Joseph now to think about  . Bye to way, wasn't Stillman divorced or something? I guess i was wrong then because he was still wearing a ring... correct, pleace, if you know better... Good that at least one serial said it aloud that NO ONE hunts ANYTHING with Colt M16s or Tek9 semi-automatics. At some lever I understand that people can have "normal" handguns or guns you can use for an actual hunting, but there is no reason why anyone should be allowed to keep a military weapons in their homes!!!!! Bye to way, compared to first season, Lil really seems to grown up. How old is she anyway? In the first season she couldn't be (by her behavior) at least not older than 30. I'd say 27...28 or something. But right now I like her being like such adult  The song at the end, bye to way, was absolutely amazing!! I'm not that much into pop music, but that song is really something. I dono, but... it's just sooooo beatiful.... |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Sept 29, 2006 16:38:55 GMT -5
eli- Nobody knows how old Lilly really is , we can only speculate. I think she about KM's age.
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Post by eli on Sept 29, 2006 16:42:44 GMT -5
WHat SHE's LIke 40!  ! zeez... |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Sept 29, 2006 16:43:33 GMT -5
eli- No KM is 37 , I think Lilly's the same age..
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Post by eli on Sept 29, 2006 16:52:38 GMT -5
Yeah well, sound about right... |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Sept 29, 2006 16:56:25 GMT -5
Lilly does seem more mature then in S1, she's been through a lot these past four seasons. Even the most toughest cops need a little love sometimes. It's good that we do get to see that she can be loved and starting to open up her heart a little. She's still the same person at work but a much stronger person.
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Post by Disasterfreak on Sept 29, 2006 20:22:00 GMT -5
I think it's WAY too early to talk about love anyway. Maybe a crush. You can't love someone in just a couple of months. You can be fond of them... maybe. Love comes with time. I meant man-hunting leading girl in the sense she HAS to be with some joe to be happy. Just like her mom, though she says it's not what she want. I liked her better before, when she could be happy WITHOUT a joe at her side. I hate them always showing women so dependent. Oh well. There's really no point in arguing since things aren't gonna change. Thanks for accepting my POV even while disagreeing. When am I gonna get my unfeeling, cold-hearted, man-eating b*tch show??? I want it!  |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Sept 29, 2006 21:42:04 GMT -5
Lilly isn't dependent on Joseph to make her happy, she can be happy in other ways. But she had been pushing off relationships for awhile which now her heart is empty. Like all human she does need love. It's is too early to tell like Disasterfreak stated but, I like to see how her and Joseph's realtionship goes.
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Post by ewka on Sept 30, 2006 5:12:52 GMT -5
Wow, though I was determined not to see Rampage at all as I heard about Joseph coming back, I changed my mind and did it. Probably, I was just too hungry for a new Cold Case episode :] And since I need to wait like, hm, 4 more days for 3x05 of House...  Well, I liked the case, it was very well written in my opinion. Besides, I love episodes that in some way base on highschool teenagers' problems. Rampage and Detention seem to be my faves for now. And about Joseph... I was brave. I did not throw up seeing him in Lil's bed, but it must be somehow connected with the fact that Lil is not my life's biggest obsession and I can share her with him And if she is really, really happy with him -- I can't stop their huge love... And in the end I'd like to add that Davie was a cutie, I mean, the older Davie :> |
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Post by ruda on Sept 30, 2006 5:19:37 GMT -5
HAHAHAHA!!! I agree about Joseph I don't really like this guy but I'm glad Lil is happy with him I love 4x01! and I love L&O SVU and CSI of course, so... I have no obsessions now... only school... I must learn too much and when I am watching my favs crime series I am thinking about school, mock exams and reall mature. k, the end of offtopic ;D Cold Case was and is one of my favs crime series! and I'll be watching every ep! |
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Post by Naj on Sept 30, 2006 8:20:56 GMT -5
So glad to see the premiere has sparked conversation. coldcasegirl said:Ray? I don't know anything about Ray. But we are allowed to speculate here in this forum. I think it would be great to have Ray and Joseph around for Lilly for a spell. I think the Stillman "Hey" was to show some continuity although I don't know how long that was to infer since Scotty had his bandage off his hand and his hand looked normal. Hi eli,I'm guessing Lilly is close to KM's age. Don't know for sure, though. The song at the end is listed over in the Episode Sound Track forum. DF says:All I know is that Lilly is happy right now. I don't think we've been given information that she is in love or ready for marriage, etc. But it's nice to see her happy. That's just my take on it all. So now we have a bunch of single detectives with Vera's split last season. Wonder what Vera will be up to?  |
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Post by Pixie on Sept 30, 2006 14:47:11 GMT -5
-Does Lilly have all pictures from every victim and what is it that she's remembering?? BTW: Thanks for explaining, boxman |
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Post by Tati on Sept 30, 2006 18:06:40 GMT -5
I just finished seeing it. I liked the case a lot. I could never have guessed who the 3rd "shooter" was. One very little thing that called my attention were Cameron's (?) parents. How the dad said that they were also treated like killers. And them at the end when they showed those pics of the family together, and I thought how something like this could happen to any family, and there's really no way to point a finger at anyone. Personally I don't think the parents, or the game could be really blamed. For me it's one of those things that happen do and there's no real explanation.
About the Lilly - Joseph moments, I don't like it. I don't like it all. As someone pointed out (DF, I think), no one goes from the emotional "situation" that Lilly was to this happy-in-love situation that she (supposedly) is now. This is NOT the Lilly we've seen until now, or at least until the middle of season 3. I'm not arguing that someone can't change the way they deal with their life or their relationships, but Lilly's way to deal (or not to deal) with real life was what set her apart. I admit that I loved wishing for her to be perfectly happy but now that I see something like this (or at least near it) I find it very boring. As people say, the fun is the chase.
But, even though I'm disappointed with the Lilly character I'm definitely willing to carry on with the show just for the cases. Let's see what future episodes will bring us.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Sept 30, 2006 21:15:44 GMT -5
I'm not diappointeed with Lilly's character, Acutally I think it is great to add another on another side. In order to understand why there are this way we need to explore all their sides to understand them well. Lilly's mind is complex like any normal human being, but her mind is enclosed being her invisible " walls " she puts up .
In other words, Lilly still is devoloping as a character we haven't really see the real truth yet
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Post by boxman on Sept 30, 2006 23:13:28 GMT -5
... I'm a huge fan of the Silent Hill games: A game that requires you to actually look at certain things in order to get the story. ... Ya know, I'm not familiar with the video game, but I did happen to catch the movie. I have to say it's very unusual, because it's a Japanese take on US life and mythology. I'm a bit lukewarm to this (Japanese filmmakers making US movies). Primarily, the symbology tends to be a bit odd. In the movie, there's ashes falling to earth. It's klnda interesting, because "snow" seems to be a big symbol of death in Japanese movies. (One you may have seen is the swordfight between Uma Thurman and Lucy Liu in "Kill Bill vol. 2".) In the western world, winter isn't really dire because of the birth of Jesus near the winter solstice, and the celebration of Hannukah and Valentine's Day too. But the Japanese don't have such significant holidays in Winter, so it's just a season that tends to mark the ending cycle of nature, i.e. death. The color white symbolizes death to the Japanese (e.g. the seppuku scene in "Shogun"), while to westerners, white is a symbol of purity. Anyway, what's shocking whenever I watch a Japanese movie is to see horrific scenes in winter/snow. It tends to be a peaceful time in western culture, so to see violence and horror during white-coloured scenery is very shocking.... And of course, Cold Case has played upon this (violent scenes in snow) as in "Ravaged" and "Committed"... I think it's WAY too early to talk about love anyway. Maybe a crush. You can't love someone in just a couple of months. You can be fond of them... maybe. Love comes with time. Okay. Let's say I hand you a little kitty-cat. How long does it take for you to "fall in love" with it?? What if I gave you a puppy?? Now why would it take "a couple of months" to fall in love with a human being?? Because humans are more "sophisticated" or "complex" than animals?? Sometimes you just have to *trust* and *have faith* that someone is coming to you with the interest in buiding a relationship with the same and equal amount of good intentions as you are. Does that make sense?? Having distrust and skepticism also has it's effects on someone who's putting their own time and trust into getting to know you better. And really, sensing that skepticism and distrust from another can EASILY be it's own big turn-off.... ... but it must be somehow connected with the fact that Lil is not my life's biggest obsession and I can share her with him ... I think you're hitting the nail on the head here, Ewka.... ...Joseph, unlike Kite, has no issues with Lil' being called off to save the world at 3 a.m. I LOVED that - especially seeing as S1's "Lover's Lane" just aired last week on TNT. It was a great juxtaposition, and truly showed how much Lilly has grown and changed for the better.... Those two events are not even close to being the same situation, LillyKat. Sure, they share the similarity that it occured as each couple was about to make-out in the bedroom. But in this episode, Lilly received a call from a fellow co-worker regarding work. In "Lover's Lane", Mark was physically present, and also there for much longer than Vera's phone call. Mark wasn't even there to help Lilly on the case--he was kicked out of the house by his wife, was feeling blue about his girlfriend's death, and just needed companionship to soothe his weak heart. Lilly hardly uncovered anything new by playing along and talking to him. In this episode, it probably wasn't that late when Vera called--probably 8:00pm at the latest--as Kat was still in the office (remember, Kat has a kid to look after.), and the sky was still purple when Lilly gets there. In "Lover's Lane", it was definitely a very late-night interruption. And don't forget that Mark was still a suspect in the murder at the time he pops up at Lilly's door. LillyKat, what you seem to have trouble in understanding is that Mark, in being there in person, was the "third wheel" to Lilly and Kite's private moment. Mark was also there under very odd circumstances, at a very unusual hour, and was making strange advances towards Lilly.... Now was all this "strictly business" as compared to Vera's phone call?? Vera's on-duty phonecall didn't physically or socially affect the two-person social dynamic that Joseph and Lilly were experiencing. Are you following here?? I'm really beginning to wonder if you have difficulty interpreting scenes in this show from a guy's perspective. It's something that seems almost rather blatently missing in your analysis.... |
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Oct 1, 2006 0:19:16 GMT -5
Actually it was directed by Christophe Gans, a French director.
In the first SH it was in fact snow falling. Some fans however figured out/speculated that it was ash.
Ironically the girl who causes the ash (in movie) and snow (in the game) cannot die.
Not as dire, but more suicides happen in the winter months.
That's pretty interesting. One thing that's of interest is that the first SH (the game) occurs on April 20th, 1983. (in the spring)
That's quite true.
It's times like these that I wish that Cold Case would either come to DVD or I had cable so I could watch TNT.
*btw Boxman, we should further this offtopic discussion through PM I believe.*
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Post by myril on Oct 1, 2006 1:19:00 GMT -5
Okay. Let's say I hand you a little kitty-cat. How long does it take for you to "fall in love" with it?? What if I gave you a puppy?? Now why would it take "a couple of months" to fall in love with a human being?? Because humans are more "sophisticated" or "complex" than animals?? Sometimes you just have to *trust* and *have faith* that someone is coming to you with the interest in buiding a relationship with the same and equal amount of good intentions as you are. Does that make sense?? Having distrust and skepticism also has it's effects on someone who's putting their own time and trust into getting to know you better. And really, sensing that skepticism and distrust from another can EASILY be it's own big turn-off.... boxman, Trust is THE issue. It is easier for most people to trust a kitten - because most never made bad experience with those. And, yeah, I think we don't expect them to be as sophisticated as most humans (not saying they can't be though). Agree with you, sometimes you just have to trust and have faith in someone to find love. But would say only a few people are really able to jump for that, and I think Lilly is not that kind of person, given her biography. I don't think, she can change like that, in a few weeks. Maybe Lilly wants it and so tries, but I doubt she is ready to let go. Her happiness in that scenes with Joseph had a little touch of being artificial or forced to me, but could be I'm seeing something I want to see. |
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Post by sukkerspinn on Oct 1, 2006 4:38:10 GMT -5
Myril said:
AMEN, Myril. I was going to say the same thing.
Besides, you DON'T love a human being the same way you love your kitty or doggy. I mean, sure you love 'em, but I don't think many people can say they're IN LOVE with their pets. Not at the same level as with their bf/gf anyway. If so, then I feel kinda sorry for them...
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Post by sonny on Oct 1, 2006 6:17:39 GMT -5
I'd feel sorry for them too sukker!
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Oct 1, 2006 9:01:56 GMT -5
It was good writing on the writers part for keeping us viewers guessing about Lilly and Joseph. It's a new side that we as viewers haven't seen, Lilly knew she needed to change. Maybe she realized that her job can't fulfill the yearning to love in her heart. Maybe it was fate or something else that had brought them together. I'm not saying that their relationship is perfect,not relationship is but we are only seeing glimpses of that not the whole thing. I'm sure that there are some problems as well.
I liked how the episode was centered around a lot of religous symbolism, it really did make sense. How it connected well with the storyline
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. Bye to way, wasn't Stillman divorced or something? I guess i was wrong then because he was still wearing a ring... correct, pleace, if you know better...
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