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Post by eurache on Sept 24, 2006 21:48:25 GMT -5
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Post by boxman on Sept 24, 2006 21:48:55 GMT -5
But wow!! do you think Stillman was suspicion of Scotty that he gave that file on a pedafiler about his bro?  It's a current case they're investigating at "West" about a pedophile coach. Scotty's brother's name came up in the investigation... |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Sept 24, 2006 21:48:59 GMT -5
boxman- Thank you I was looking for the last song!!! Everyone seems to like this new romance !!
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Post by Naj on Sept 24, 2006 21:50:26 GMT -5
But wow!! do you think Stillman was suspicion of Scotty that he gave that file on a pedafiler about his bro? It's a current case they're investigating at "West" about a pedophile coach. Scotty's brother's name came up in the investigation... That's kinda what I thought but felt I missed something. That's interesting bringing a brother in. |
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Post by eurache on Sept 24, 2006 21:51:04 GMT -5
But wow!! do you think Stillman was suspicion of Scotty that he gave that file on a pedafiler about his bro? It's a current case they're investigating at "West" about a pedophile coach. Scotty's brother's name came up in the investigation... Thank you boxman for clarifying that and the spelling too   |
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Post by boxman on Sept 24, 2006 22:06:55 GMT -5
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Post by boxman on Sept 24, 2006 22:08:24 GMT -5
Ah... "Hey Man, Nice Shot" by Filter. Interesting... this song is apparently about a criminal who commits suicide, according to this: www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=3643...in front of a video camera too.. ETA Scene at the stairway at the mall, where the girl is crying: Bush - "Glycerine" |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Sept 24, 2006 22:10:31 GMT -5
When Lilly got the phone call from Vera to come down, Joseph was cool with that. Unlike Kite who would have left the room ,I think he knows that she is devoted to her job.
I was hearing the whole episode in surround sound and watch it on HDTV, but I only knew the ending. Tina reminded me of a real case that happened in Philly at a mall, her name was Silvia Seegrist and she fired shots in a mall. I connected part of it to Tina's character as that camera showed her "dark" side right before the guns went off and the present her holding the gun.
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Sept 24, 2006 22:40:24 GMT -5
I have to be honest, I liked this episode alot. It was an episode where I was upset over not just the innocent people, but also the jocks, that girl (Tina?), and also the two shooters.
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Ok I admit when they played the ending song and showed those two boys I started bawling. Although it is fiction I would never condone the action of killing a bunch of people, but this episode showed a side rarely seen, that even troubled and messed up teens have people who love them.
As for the music, I enjoyed it. I still want to figure out the opening song, because I suspect it's by Neurosis.
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Post by boxman on Sept 24, 2006 23:41:17 GMT -5
For some strange reason, I almost felt that very song at the end coming on. It was ringing in my mind before it started. Everyone's been talking about the last song... It was rather interesting to me that the case boxes went onto the shelf to make a rather symmetrical cross shape. What is even more odd, is that after rewatching this episode, there's other references to Christianity at the beginning of the episode. The video in the mall starts with a reference to Rod Sterling's "Twilight Zone", of course, and the two shooters go on to mention the "Ninth Circle of Hell" from Dante's Inferno. (Gosh, that piece is mentioned rather often in movies, that I don't know why I haven't read it yet...) Anyway, one of the killers also calls himself the "Apocalypse", which is strangely yet another Biblical reference.... Speaking of "Dante's Inferno", there were I think two lines in this episode that very roughly paralleled lines from the movie "Jacob's Ladder" (which I believe was called "Dante's Inferno" as it's working title during it's filming). I'm gonna have to dig that video up... Tina's confession to Lilly also had moments that very roughly paralleled a scene towards the end of that movie also. I won't explain it in detail here; though if you've seen the movie, you probably know what I'm talking about. Additionally, in the movie there was an object hanging on the wall of Jacob's bedroom that was always out of focus. When it finally comes into focus, one can see that it's a crucifix; sorta like the cross in the ending montage of this episode (in reverse) that I mention in the earlier paragraph... |
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Sept 24, 2006 23:58:48 GMT -5
I've seen Jacob's Ladder and I think I know what you're talking about. I didn't catch the reference though, so kudos!
The name "The Widowmaker" also sounds very very very familiar.
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Post by boxman on Sept 25, 2006 0:43:00 GMT -5
I've seen Jacob's Ladder and I think I know what you're talking about. I didn't catch the reference though, so kudos! The name "The Widowmaker" also sounds very very very familiar. Oh cool! So you saw "Jacob's Ladder", huh?? Did you like it?? Figured out the end?? Anyway, what I'm thinking about is the scene when Lilly heard Tina's confession about "that day". It felt to me a lot like that scene when Jacob learns from the other person about "that day" in Vietnam. There was the line in the horse stable scene from this episode where David tells Kat "I didn't know bullets could do that to people". That line seemed similar to a line from the movie where the guy is explaining to Jacob what happened "that day"... "WidowMaker" is from a recent movie title, though I think the reference is probably to something else... "Rampage" is used in the episode too.. Could it be a tongue-in-cheek reference to the arcade game?? |
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Post by Naj on Sept 25, 2006 8:20:10 GMT -5
I also forgot to mention that I thought the directing was pretty good. I liked how Mark Pellington showed the shooting events flashing in Tina's mind as a horrifying sequence. And the nmanner in which Cameron and Neil shot down those guys and people in the mall was just like a video game and then shooting themself. That was totally unexpected to see them show that.
also the one guy - the one that had sex with Tina? The one they shot first looked like a young Tom Cruise.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Sept 25, 2006 8:35:43 GMT -5
any screencaps yet??
Does everyone think S4 is going to have a much higher rating this season? The ending where Tina tells Lilly the truth, it gave me the chills seeing how Cameron and Neal thought this was a game but not really realizing what they had really done. In the end, as thet stopped shooting Tina realized her biggest mistake that she let this happen because of what she had said to the both of them.
Something else I noticed when Cameron or Neal appears to his parents and the camera flashes to a picture of the younger innocent boy he once was, it reminded me of sean in maternal instincts.
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Post by TVFan on Sept 25, 2006 10:23:44 GMT -5
First off, I have a few screencaps posted at PTR HERE. Not many, but some to tied you over. Now, onto the episode. I thought this one was excellent. Without a doubt, the best start to CC's season ever! The episode managed to blend the best of the current state of the show with the best of season 1. I really couldn't be happier with this premiere. Usually, I find myself caring less about the case when they include personal stuff on Lilly. I just want to get back to whatever she's dealing with and see where it goes, and I tend to feel like the case takes away from it. BUT, not last night. Both the Lilly stuff and the case were well developed, engrossing and neither sacrificed the other. The case was so disturbing, moving, sad, shocking and hard to swallow. The killing spree scenes (under the *PERFECT* direction of Mark Pellington) were shocking without showing us too much. I just sat on my couch, mouth agape, fighting back the flood of emotion that was taking over as I watched what went down. Interestingly enough, I think I choked up the most when the two shooters, kids themselves, took their own lives. Maybe it was because we had an entire episode to get to know them and we never knew most of the shooting victims (unusual for this show, and I liked the switch up). Their classmates were so horrible that I had a difficult time getting emotional about their deaths, but all of the innocent people in the food court running for their lives was just difficult to watch. It was a very powerful set of scenes, but I wasn't surprised since this was a Veena and Mark Pellington outing. Lilly and Joseph were great together! He's so perfect for her because he completely understands her devotion to her job, her cats, her pictures and so on. I LOVED the way he knew that she must have kept his picture as well. I really liked the way Lil was able to completely be with him when she was at home and then be completely devoted to her case when she was at work. She was silly and goofy, and it was nice to see a different side to her. As much as I loved the "You better get some sleep now" "Cause you're not gonna get much later" line as a zinger in the promo, it was even better in the actual episode because Lilly was totally amused at herself for being so forward. It was great! Kathryn was absolutely adorable in Lilly's scenes with Joseph, and then so strong and emotional when Lilly had to talk Tina out of killing herself (shades of "Sherry Darlin'"). Overall, an excellent start that I'm hoping becomes the theme for the entire season. |
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Post by LillyKat on Sept 25, 2006 11:55:47 GMT -5
Well, this was quite the season opener ... I am glad to see everybody really enjoyed it. The highlight for me, without a doubt, was the Lilly/Joseph sub-plot. This was perfectly done, IMHO. Everything just blended so well - Lilly was still Lilly, yet she was finally able to share her world with someone who truly respects what she is. It was absolutely refreshing to see her be happy but also still be herself - and she was so comfortable doing so. It was brilliant. Short, sweet, only a handful of lines, and you just got the impression this was a relationship with a lot of potential. Joseph, unlike Kite, has no issues with Lil' being called off to save the world at 3 a.m. I LOVED that - especially seeing as S1's "Lover's Lane" just aired last week on TNT. It was a great juxtaposition, and truly showed how much Lilly has grown and changed for the better. I may be in the minority in saying I thought, at times, the episode was trying a little too hard to be so over-the-top-shocking. There were moments mid-ep that I was kind of getting a little tired with the in-your-face aspect of the violence, but then again, that was the whole focus of the case/episode, so ... I can go with it. I also think there's more leeway with what we'll "see" this year due to the shift to the later hour, and perhaps I was just adjusting to a more vivid ep. The closing scene with Lilly negotiating with Tina ... powerful stuff. Top drawer all the way around; and again, Stillman's hesitance on wanting to ever put Lilly in harm's way (I loved this - especially because it zeroed out him giving her the cold shoulder in the opening). As I've said in watching earlier eps where they have worked the case together, the two of them make an excellent team. Well done, CC. Excellent way to start the season. P.S. Loved hearing Bush's "Glycerine" ... I put that as one of the songs I hoped they might use one day ... was cool to hear it.  |
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Post by koufax on Sept 25, 2006 12:20:20 GMT -5
I thought the episode was great-back to season one and two form!
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Post by LillyKat on Sept 25, 2006 15:45:54 GMT -5
I wanted to add that I thought the introduction of the issue (or issues) with Scotty's brother is/was interesting ... I have my own theory (which may/may not end up being true) that there is some sort of abuse (possibly sexual) Scotty either experienced or witnessed in his past that will resurface. This is carried over from how he went after the pedophile-type guy at the playground at the end of Season 3. This is not just with the physical attack, but how Scotty warned him in such detail at first - reading nearly every thought the pedophile may/may not have been having about what boy he was looking at and why, etc. Yes, he is a cop. But, it was, IMHO, far too detailed and rife with anger, which suggested, to me, he was personally familiar with the behavior - likely by experience.
Interesting to see how this develops.
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Post by sukkerspinn on Sept 25, 2006 17:31:40 GMT -5
*Gah* It's late. Me tired. So I'm just gonna copy and paste from SRC#1. PLEASE forgive me, people! I'll do LA first next time! Pwomise! Ok, I'm gonna put in my few cents before reading the rest of the reviews here, just so I won't forget what I wanted to say. So excuse me if I repeat anyone. GREAT premiere episode!! Felt I finally got some of the long missed action and emotion filled episodes I tend to crave. VERY emotional! I think they did a great job with the storyline. Much owed to good actors. Especially Tina and her facial expressions. During the mall-scenes I could feel the horror and the angst right to the bone. Same with the attack on Tina. I have to say, though, I was a little shocked with Stillman going off at Dayton during the interrogation. Was he entitled to do so? As for the Lilly/Joseph storyline I've been dreading, I found that it coulda been worse. I pictured longer and more disturbing detailed scenes with them, but I think they toned it down ok. I gotta admit that I rolled my eyes more than once during the first bedroom sequence, however it wasn't as superficial as I'd imagined. Lilly is totally different with Joseph than with any of the others. She seems happier somehow. Let me just get it straight, I don't favor the whole couples idea at all, but it was good seeing Lilly happy again. And during that particular scene she seemed at least 10 years younger. On the other hand, the relationship is too good to be true, IMO. Joseph was too much "Ok, whatever you say, dear"-understanding. It might be an idea of "soulmating", but I didn't buy it. Sawy. Anyway. GOOD episode! If they keep this up for season four I might be back in full time praising of the show |
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Post by oldgreygoose on Sept 25, 2006 19:53:55 GMT -5
Really did not enjoy this epsiode, not because it wasn't a good episode, but by the subject matter. This brings back moments of horror, because where I live, the citizens of the fair city of Montreal have had to deal with this type of shooting rampage twice in the last 18 years.
both times it was in a school and the shooter went crazy shooting innocent people. But they certainly captured the horror of the situation.
I really don't have much to say about this episode, I barely remember most of it, it really strikes close to home as the last shooting spree was at a downtown jounior college and it was only 12 days ago and my youngest bother was working in an office building across the street from the school where it happened. He and thousands of other people were evacuated, but believe me it was not something he'll soon forget.
sorry for the ramble...
"OGG"
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