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Post by soccerulz on May 29, 2006 7:29:18 GMT -5
For the record... ;D I didn't hate it. I voted it was "okay". Not that it REALLY makes a difference, but just wanted to point that out. ;D Haha! That's good DF ;D |
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Post by koufax on May 29, 2006 13:08:20 GMT -5
I did not vote that I hated it-to me it was just ok. I wish the writers would take note about this season being inferior to the past seasons. My college-aged niece told me she saw the Bruce Springsteen episoce of Cold Case and never saw another one because she thought it was bad. Yesterday, I watched with her both "George" episodes and she now thinks Cold Case has potential.
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Post by boxman on May 29, 2006 16:36:49 GMT -5
RE: Lilly and Joseph ... More than likely, Joseph will be written out sometime, because if you noticed none of the detectives have a long lasting relationship. If they were to write him out a good episode would have him comprimising a case Lilly was involved with. Yeah, Koufax. I was disappointed with how Jeffries didn't follow up with Lena, the jazz singer he met in "Best Friends" and whom he turned to in "Beautiful Little Fool".  I thought they made a nice couple. Even if he wasn't serious about her, they still could have gone out on a birthday date this year in "The Hen House" instead of him just hanging out late night at work with Stillman.... Boxman-- With the looks Lilly was giving Joseph?? Oh, she definitely has him pegged as a romantic interest, not just a guy friend/counsellor. , I just took a look at the imdb.com board. Someone there is suggesting that Lilly and Joseph are actually brothers and sisters!!  It makes sense, too, if you think about how he was an foster kid and they both thought each other looked familiar. I just hope they didn't "get busy"..... ;D ha ha ha... wow I am very astonished, 25% among you hated this episode . How this is possible to hate as much an episode of cold case. ... I wish these people would post why they voted this way. Seems that no one who voted this way made a post.
I got to watch "Laura", the movie that InsideR mentions this episode alludes to. It was at Best Buy for only $10. Cold Case shares many elements that are in this movie, so it was great to watch it twice: First normally to enjoy the mystery, then a second time listening to the commentary track by music composer David Raskin and film professor Jeanine Basinger. The comments they make about the movie's storyline, flashbacks, music, art direction and other aspects sound almost exactly like what one would expect to hear from the people that put Cold Case together. I highly recommend it to anyone interested in learning more about this kind of detective/film noir movies and television shows, and how they are put together and presented to audiences. |
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Post by koufax on May 29, 2006 17:02:18 GMT -5
BOXMAN-
My friend also said the Cold Case finale was based on "Laura". Also, that would be an interesting twist if Lilly and Joseph were related!
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Post by kadoom on May 30, 2006 1:54:25 GMT -5
I wish these people would post why they voted this way. Seems that no one who voted this way made a post. I will out myself. I voted 'hated it' not because I actually hated every second of it, but because I found it worse than 'ok' and 'hated it' was the only option for that. If the poll had an option 'didn't care for it' or 'didn't like it', I would have voted that. |
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Post by frenchfan on May 30, 2006 3:06:33 GMT -5
I will out myself. I voted 'hated it' not because I actually hated every second of it, but because I found it worse than 'ok' and 'hated it' was the only option for that. If the poll had an option 'didn't care for it' or 'didn't like it', I would have voted that. ok ok it is completely your right  but why this choice. Can you explain more? Please. I would like to understand why this shift. On this board some adored it and others really hated (or not not liked a whole). I believe that at this point it is the first time. On the other hand for example on tv.com, Joseph obtains the best notes of season with 9,5/10 (34 votes) and achieves the unanimity. Like what. |
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Post by kadoom on May 30, 2006 4:03:48 GMT -5
but why this choice. Can you explain more? Please. I would like to understand why this shift. [...]On the other hand for example on tv.com, Joseph obtains the best notes of season with 9,5/10 (34 votes) and achieves the unanimity. I really didn't want to write more about the episode, I've said enough on #Source 1. But if you want to know. I didn't like how Lilly was written, not only in this episode, but the whole season, so it isn't a shift in my opinion. I don't buy that she would cover for Joseph, sorry, I found that stupid behaviour. I'm not saying that Lilly is infallible, I just don't think she would make this mistake, because I don't think Joseph would have been in danger if Lilly brought him in. Then I didn't like the plot holes in the case - Joseph was a witness in a murder case and nobody even noticed he wasn't the victim? Found the twist, that he was alive, predictable. I liked Joseph as a person, but found the way they presented his similarities with Lilly over the top. I can understand that Lilly would fall for him, but found it exaggerated how fast and hard she fell. About the good reviews on tv.com: I went over there and read them. The first good review begins with 'I have never seen a Cold Case before and don't know the characters or the usual storylines'. The second: 'Lily usually is buttoned down and never lets her emotions Get to her when she is working a case but boy They do this time as she nearly jeopardizes the case'. I guess my problem is that I just can't see Lilly behave that way and thought the episode was written badly. Then in another review someone complains that Stillman behaved like he did with Lilly. Me, I thought that was very believable and it was together with the Scotty scene at Lilly's house, what I actually liked in this episode. One other reviewer is happy that Lilly found a love interest. Me, I don't see why Lilly has to be in a relationship, but better Joseph than Kite. Why does a strong independant woman have to screw up when she falls in love? Why is it that she has to chose between her job and happiness? I just was disappointed with this episode. |
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Post by frenchfan on May 30, 2006 4:36:51 GMT -5
Thank you very much Kadoom for your sincere answer . I don't have an opinion yet over season 3 (but some ideas already), I saw only the first and the second episode. But according to the points of view which I could read, I believe that those which didn't appreciate this season, actually didn't like the evolution of the character of Lilly. I would say to you soon if I share this point of view. |
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Post by Naj on May 30, 2006 7:18:20 GMT -5
Moderator Comment:
kadoom, I'l like to say something here and it's not just to kadoom.
What thoughts you have written somewhere else on the internet is fine. But please don't come here and state you don't want to discuss something because you wrote enough somewhere else.
When you post here please do not assume other members know what you are talking about somewhere else.
Thanks everyone.
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Post by Pixie on May 30, 2006 9:58:41 GMT -5
This episode is OK, Lilly do deserve some happiness, I like how the writers made Lilly "human", it's maybe not like The Woods, but it gives us a cliffhanger, like "Will Lilly date Joseph in Season 4?" Which makes me wonder will we see more to Ellen Rush, Lilly's Father?, Christina's return and A.D.A. Kite in season 4  |
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Post by TVFan on Jun 1, 2006 7:12:17 GMT -5
Saw this tragic story this morning on the news, and interestingly enough, it pertains to our discussion on this ep. Two college girls were involved in an auto accident - one died, one survived and stayed in a coma for 5 weeks. When she woke up, her family realized that she wasn't their daughter, but the other woman involved in the crash who the coroner's office IDed as the dead woman. Sorry, that sounds confusing. Here's the article to explain it better (I bolded the part that most pertains to our discussion): Mistaken ID Stuns Crash Victims' Families
CALEDONIA, Mich. (AP) - A couple sat by their daughter's hospital bedside for weeks after an auto accident until she came out of a coma and they realized she was not their daughter after all, but another blond-haired young woman injured in the wreck. Their own daughter, it turned out, was dead and buried.
In a tragic mix-up, one family had been incorrectly told their daughter had died in the April 26 crash in Indiana, and another was erroneously informed their daughter was in a coma.
The two young women - both students at Indiana's Taylor University - looked remarkably alike, and the one in a coma suffered facial swelling, broken bones and cuts and bruises, and was in a neck brace.
The family of Laura VanRyn, 22, disclosed the mix-up Wednesday on a Web log that they had used to record detailed updates on the young woman's recovery.
``Our hearts are aching as we have learned that the young woman we have been taking care of over the past five weeks has not been our dear Laura, but instead a fellow Taylor student of hers, Whitney Cerak,'' the VanRyns said on the blog.
Cerak's grandfather, Emil Frank, said news of his granddaughter's survival was a shock. ``I still can't get over it. It's like a fairy tale,'' he said.
Coroner Ron Mowery, whose office handled the case, apologized for the mistake. He said acquaintances of the students had identified the survivor as VanRyn, but no scientific tests were conducted to verify the IDs.
``This tragedy unfolded like we could never have imagined,'' he said.
The VanRyns said that as the young woman began regaining consciousness at a rehabilitation center in Grand Rapids, Mich., she said things that made them question her identity.
As recently as Monday, the VanRyns reported: ``While certain things seem to be coming back to her, she still has times where she'll say things that don't make much sense.''
The coroner said that VanRyn's boyfriend raised initial questions about her identity. Then her father became suspicious when she referred to him by a pet name he didn't recognize.
``He started asking questions and the process evolved to where she actually came to and suggested who she was and wrote her name,'' Mowery said.
In a statement, the two families said they took their concerns to hospital officials, and dental records confirmed that the injured woman was Whitney Cerak.
``Both families understand how this could have happened,'' said Bruce Rossman, a spokesman for Spectrum Health, which operated the rehab center.
Frank, a retired minister in Portland, Maine, said his granddaughter's parents declined to look at the body before the funeral. ``They wanted to remember her the way she was,'' he said.
An official at Taylor University, an evangelical Christian college in Upland, Ind., about 60 miles northeast of Indianapolis, said the Grant County coroner had notified the school of the error.
``We rejoice with the Ceraks. We grieve with the VanRyns,'' said Taylor spokesman Jim Garringer.
The VanRyns, who are from Caledonia, Mich., said their daughter and Cerak, 18, of Gaylord, Mich., bore an ``uncanny resemblance.''
The coroner described an accident scene strewn with purses and wallets.
``I can't stress enough that we did everything we knew to do under those circumstances, and trusted the same processes and the same policies that we always do,'' Mowery said.
Four Taylor students and an employee were killed when their van was struck by a tractor-trailer that had drifted across a highway median. Those in the van worked for Taylor's dining services and were preparing for a banquet for the inauguration of a new president of the 1,850-student school.
Most of the crash victims had funerals with closed caskets. A month ago, an overflow crowd of more than 1,400 people turned out for what they thought was Cerak's funeral in Gaylord, Mich.
Joe Sereno, associate pastor at Gaylord Evangelical Free Church, said the casket was closed both for visitation and for the funeral.
``We did everything you usually do,'' Sereno said. ``We had a memorial service at the church. The family did a private burial the next day. Everybody thought it was Whitney.''
The VanRyn family used the blog to provide progress reports on the young woman, reporting, example, that her hair was in pigtails or braids, that she managed to feed herself some applesauce, that she played a game of ``Connect Four'' with one of the therapists and did quite well, and that she performed an exercise in which her therapist gave her a word and she had to supply the word's opposite.
Calls to the VanRyns and Ceraks were not immediately returned, and a young man outside the VanRyns' home declined to comment to a reporter. An attorney for 'the Cerak family did not return a call either.
Prosecutors are weighing criminal charges against the truck driver, saying he may having fallen asleep at the wheel.
A memorial service for VanRyn is scheduled Sunday in Grand Rapids.
Associated Press Writers Ashley M. Heher in Indianapolis, John Flesher in Gaylord, Jim Irwin in Detroit, and David Sharp in Portland, Maine, contributed to this report.
06/01/06 06:53 © Copyright The Associated Press. All rights reservedLINKSo apparently, they don't always conduct tests to ensure the proper ID of a body. My apologies to CC.  |
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Post by boxman on Jun 1, 2006 9:36:01 GMT -5
Wow! So they didn't do any DNA identification on *two* of the accident victims (even when *everyone* knew beforehand that they looked alike), and the family members were at her bedside all this time and *didn't know that wasn't their daughter*?? Sounds like what I was saying earlier about forensics on Joseph's brother.... ***AHEM*** Sorry. My throat's kinda itchy....  |
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Post by TVFan on Jun 1, 2006 9:58:39 GMT -5
I figured you'd appreciate that story boxman |
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Post by sonny on Jun 1, 2006 10:36:02 GMT -5
I appreciate it too TVFan and I guess it goes to show the plot holes weren't as huge as some have accused. Great! ;D ;D
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Post by koufax on Jun 1, 2006 10:55:08 GMT -5
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Read that tragic story. Maybe the mix-up was also a screw up and they should have run blood tests, etc.
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Post by TVFan on Jun 1, 2006 15:47:16 GMT -5
They definitely should have koufax. The coroner gave a teary-eyed press conference today apologizing for the screw up. I think the thing here (and with the Joseph case on CC) is that some (a lot?) of these departments don't use these expensive tests unless they have to. If there is ID or family members/friends postiively IDing them, they they don't waste the money on running the tests to give a guarantee. I'm surprised that this is the case, but I guess a lot of government agencies get squeezed in the budget department. I'm guessing this was the case with the episode, but it wasn't clear.
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Post by sukkerspinn on Jun 2, 2006 10:55:15 GMT -5
When watching Sonny's awesome new music video, I noticed a fun lil thing. Don't know if it's mentioned somewhere in here before, but in the scene with Lilly in her bed you can actually see parts of KM's tattoo when she leans over to put the pic on her nightstand. Just a little trivia detail.. |
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Post by sonny on Jun 2, 2006 10:57:38 GMT -5
Gee, sukker I watched that clip at least 100 times while making the vid and still didn't notice!! Well spotted  Btw, you're just to quick! Haven't even posted my vid yet.    |
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Post by CC Fan on Jun 5, 2006 12:15:02 GMT -5
finally got a chance to watch this episode... and i have to say i really enjoyed it. i thought the story was interesting and i really felt bad for joseph and understood why Lilly did what she did. hope she doesn't get in trouble.
also... i missed a few of the episodes before and i was wondering if something was up in terms of scotty and lilly... he seemed really concerned and sad when she didn't come to the bar with the rest of them. it could be just a friendly concern, but to me it seemed like more. also, whats up with his wrist... i missed that one too i guess. who'd he punch?
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Post by sonny on Jun 5, 2006 12:40:39 GMT -5
finally got a chance to watch this episode... and i have to say i really enjoyed it. i thought the story was interesting and i really felt bad for joseph and understood why Lilly did what she did. hope she doesn't get in trouble. also... i missed a few of the episodes before and i was wondering if something was up in terms of scotty and lilly... he seemed really concerned and sad when she didn't come to the bar with the rest of them. it could be just a friendly concern, but to me it seemed like more. also, whats up with his wrist... i missed that one too i guess. who'd he punch? I'm glad ya liked the episode CCFan! And it's great to see ya around. To answer a couple of your questions: Scotty hurt his hand when he beat up a suspected child molester at a park. Kat and her Mom raised concerns so he staked the park out and 'sorted' it. You know how Scotty is, always trying to be the hero As for the Lilly and Scotty thing I have to say I've watched the ep a couple more times and I've noticed the same thing. All from Scotty's side. The first thing that really struck me was the coffee scene at the beginning. Lilly gets him coffee and asks about his hand. He lies of course but then puts that coffee stirrer thing in his mouth while looking at her. Now from my experience and so I've heard drawing attention to your mouth like that while looking at someone is a flirting tactic. Then after Stillman comes in he's still got his attention completely on Lilly  Now, please don't assume I'm any kind of shipper cos I'm not but Scotty's behaviour round Lilly is just odd. He seems way over concerned about her and when he went to her house for that conversation I just sensed that he would have liked to have been closer to her. Notice how he asks what's going on and he goes to walk towards her then she turns away. He suddenly backs off, like he's realised she doesn't want comfort. Then later after she says she's screwed up it seems like he wanted to do the same thing but he turns away and clears his throat before asking her if she is okay. Then again before he leaves her house he kinda looks round and lingers a little before walking to the door. Later in the cell he kinda winces when Lilly walks off with Joseph. And at the end, that scene in the bar. He looked so gutted that she wasn't there, checking his watch and all. He looked miserable. Not that I want anything to happen between Lilly and Scotty cos I'm liking the whole Joseph option, [if the writers won't let Kite her!] and it may be just me but something weird is happening with Scotty?? All I say is go watch again real careful and see if you agree?? I may be just totally overreacting and becoming way over-analytical???  |
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I thought they made a nice couple. Even if he wasn't serious about her, they still could have gone out on a birthday date this year in "The Hen House" instead of him just hanging out late night at work with Stillman....
It makes sense, too, if you think about how he was an foster kid and they both thought each other looked familiar. I just hope they didn't "get busy"..... ;D ha ha ha...
but why this choice. Can you explain more? Please.
