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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 22, 2006 9:24:44 GMT -5
is there anyway soemone could make screencaps available for download so I can make some fanart
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 22, 2006 12:29:23 GMT -5
I loved how she told that story of her as a child riding her bike, It now makes me think maybe not all of it was bad for her . Lilly really looked tired in this episode she needs some sleep. I'm glad they addressed the about what she was thinking before pulling the trigger,but wait she says she give anything not to have walked into the attic. Lilly wasn't forced to go into the attic she did that on her own free will , maybe at that point she wanted to die or she wanted to escape the darkness that plagued her whole life , Any thoughts on this
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Post by jazzyb on Mar 22, 2006 12:35:07 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the basketball games messed up my taping routine and I didn't catch the entire episode. Thanks to all of you, I can fill in the gaps. This was a beautifully understated episode and much credit should go to the writers (Veena Sud is the bomb!) and producers for portraying the psychological drama between this killer and the detectives trying to figure him out. Just a word, though, about his disease MS. While it can be a chronic disease, it is also highly unpredictable in its course: some patients experience frequent, progressively debilitating attacks while others may have long periods of remission. I suppose when John Doe was initially diagnosed it was unknown how the disease would progress but circa 1980 the prognosis could not have been promising. It may have seemed like a death sentence at that time and thus I can understand the first murder. Twenty-six years later his disease enters its final stages and he feels compelled to kill again. This is the part I really don't comprehend. Anybody over 35 (and he is clearly that) should have already accepted the fact we don't live forever, disease or no disease.Why the angst over this bit of reality?
Nevertheless, the acting was superb! And I couldn't agree more, that Kathryn Morris is way overdue for an Emmy nomination.
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Post by jazzyb on Mar 22, 2006 12:39:20 GMT -5
I loved how she told that story of her as a child riding her bike, It now makes me think maybe not all of it was bad for her . Lilly really looked tired in this episode she needs some sleep. I'm glad they addressed the about what she was thinking before pulling the trigger,but wait she says she give anything not to have walked into the attic. Lilly wasn't forced to go into the attic she did that on her own free will , maybe at that point she wanted to die or she wanted to escape the darkness that plagued her whole life , Any thoughts on this |
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Post by TVFan on Mar 22, 2006 12:42:31 GMT -5
I think Lilly went in the attic for two reasons:
1). She had figured out that "the woods" referred to the attic, and she just couldn't wait for everyone else to back before she went to see for herself
2). She didn't think that there was any danger because she thought George was at the Nature Preserve. She erroneously assumed that Stillman and co. would apprahend him.
Honestly, I don't think she ever considered the fact that going to the attic was dangerous, so I don't think she was trying to escape a dark period in her life. She just really wanted to solve that case because she had been so bummed the first time when they didn't. In this episode, she was saying that she wished she hadn't gone in the attic, but what I think she meant was that she hadn't acted so quickly without thinking. I think she's just mad at herself for rushing off by herself and going into the attic because the sensible side of her knows that was a not-so-smart move.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 22, 2006 12:52:10 GMT -5
I think I've noticed something When Lilly looked down at the barrel of his gun she saw death coming at her . The Scene was quiet when this was occuring , so when Lilly said that she hates the rain because of the quiet it brings, and that was in her mind before she shot him. I think she did see flashes of her lfie but is either too scared to tell or just told that story of her on the bike as a coverup . You can tell in this episode she was afraid to tell anyone one what flashes before her eyes when looking at george's gun . It still bothers her to this day , She may have thought that John was like george which he wasn't and was going to do the same to her. One part of her knew that he was a quiet man only obbessed with death and wanted to kill b/c they thought they could live forever. As the interrigation went on Lilly slowly realized that he didn't know a thing about her , only the fact that she shot the killer last year . Another thing i noticed was that when lilly was telling the story she seemed like she was wans't making up this story and that it actually happened. She looked alive and happy maybe realzing that life can only get better.
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Post by jazzyb on Mar 22, 2006 12:55:09 GMT -5
I think she probably regretted going to George's house in part because it was unprofessional (no back up!) and she foolishly put her self in danger; that being rather uncharacteristic of Lilly Rush. Let's not forget that George really did a mental number on her both during his initial interrogation and again up in that attic. He got into her head in that interview room and taunted her with old demons. When a psychopath serial-killer knows more about your personal life than your best friends or co-workers, hmmm, that can't be good.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 22, 2006 12:57:43 GMT -5
I think she still feels it psychologically , you really can see it's still affecting her .
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Post by lovecoldcase on Mar 22, 2006 13:02:38 GMT -5
I like this episode, it's special...the doer turned himself in...this reminds me of James' case... This episode focus more on Lilly, this is the episode mentioning more about "the woods"... When John talked about George, Lilly seems to get mad... I was also quite surprised to see that Lilly opened up to a stranger (John) so easily, she said she was 10 when riding the bike...how she closed her eyes and she's flying....how she believes she'd live forever.... Scotty's interrogate skills just cracked me up, he came closer and closer to John... And TVFan, I totally agree with you about why Lilly went back to the attic alone...and I think that it's also due to Lilly's curiosity, remember she "asked" George what he wanna showed her for facing up the skulls to the attic? BTW, I have made a screencaps of "one night", I hope you will enjoy it~  s25.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1ZXR7S5PJGQJI22VJDVLASW2V6 |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 22, 2006 13:03:57 GMT -5
thank you lovecoldcase , you are right about Lilly ... It's werid how she opens up to killers . Just to tell you I can't download it , it's not showing the file I want to download
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Post by sonny on Mar 22, 2006 13:07:58 GMT -5
I think I've noticed something When Lilly looked down at the barrel of his gun she saw death coming at her . The Scene was quiet when this was occuring , so when Lilly said that she hates the rain because of the quiet it brings, and that was in her mind before she shot him. I think she did see flashes of her lfie but is either too scared to tell or just told that story of her on the bike as a coverup . You can tell in this episode she was afraid to tell anyone one what flashes before her eyes when looking at george's gun . It still bothers her to this day , She may have thought that John was like george which he wasn't and was going to do the same to her. One part of her knew that he was a quiet man only obbessed with death and wanted to kill b/c they thought they could live forever. As the interrigation went on Lilly slowly realized that he didn't know a thing about her , only the fact that she shot the killer last year . Another thing i noticed was that when lilly was telling the story she seemed like she was wans't making up this story and that it actually happened. She looked alive and happy maybe realzing that life can only get better. I'm a little confused here LLI. Are you trying to say that you think Lilly lied about the riding the bike story as being her one and only thought when faced with death or are you saying that she was telling the truth? You seem to have contradicted yourself a little. I don't think she was afraid of telling because it would have been easy for her not to say anything. I think she wanted to tell him what she felt and thought at that moment. What she was trying to do and did sucessfully was encourage John to have that kind of one last thought that happens before dying so that he could accept his illness and death, like the boys he buried did. I don't think she, for a moment ever thought he was like George, in the sense of John doing something to her. It wasn't his pattern to victimize women like George's was. And although she was taken aback by his comment of readiong about her in the paper she was totally in control of the situations with him like someone has said previously. |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 22, 2006 13:12:03 GMT -5
I meant that maybe the the story about her on the bike maybe the best memory she had of her childhood. I don't think she thought John was george but she saw a man scared to die and felt this was a good oppertinuty to spill what ever she was feeling. I think it had something to do with the rain , she doesn't like it and the quiet it brings. Maybe she saw the same look on John's face that she once had on her's looking down at the barrel of the gun
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 22, 2006 18:49:31 GMT -5
I think john did the right thing and let Justin the last boy live, I think after Lilly told the story about her as child , it made him realized that even Lilly believed once that she could live forever.He believed it too ,while telling her a story about jumping from the bridge , it seems to be that Both John and Lilly had a brush with death. John Jumping off the bridge and surviving and Lilly's encounter with George. I think He wasn't ready back in 1980 to accept that he will die, he waited 26 yrs later for his symptoms to come back before taking another victim. He was so obbessed with death, he didn't even realized how precious life really is .
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Post by eurache on Mar 23, 2006 16:13:13 GMT -5
Altho I like to read various opinions of everyone with their interesting theories and such; I feel your opinions, LongIslandItalian, you seem to always contradict yourself everytime you post and agree with someone. I've been getting numerous complaints and I'm referring this matter to the administrators. At this point, I suggest you not continue with your contradictable opinions. You have been warned.
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Post by Tati on Mar 23, 2006 19:29:25 GMT -5
This episode was interesting. We got a view on Lilly's feelings and thoughts about the night she killed George. Like jazzyb said, I think she regretted going to that attic because she put herself in danger, in an unprofessional way. She acted impulsively, because her connection to George had become "personal" (as she was a possible victim). She probably stills feels that she somehow failed in her job, by letting a murderer get to her like that. The case itself was a bit weird. I don't know, the guy was too much of a wacko. It would have been more interesting if he had come accross as a cold, vindictive person (as in trying to get revenge against life for his condition), but to me he just seemed scared and disturbed. I didn't like the case itself, but we had good Lilly moments that made up for it.  |
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Post by boxman on Mar 23, 2006 20:49:22 GMT -5
Like jazzyb said, I think [Lilly] regretted going to that attic because she put herself in danger, in an unprofessional way. She acted impulsively, because her connection to George had become "personal" ... . She probably stills feels that she somehow failed in her job.... Very interesting observation, Tati. Does this open up the possibility that Lilly may have empathy towards Scotty in his feelings of failure for getting "personal", unprofessional, and impulsive with both Ana and Christina? |
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Post by Tati on Mar 24, 2006 10:43:05 GMT -5
Like jazzyb said, I think [Lilly] regretted going to that attic because she put herself in danger, in an unprofessional way. She acted impulsively, because her connection to George had become "personal" ... . She probably stills feels that she somehow failed in her job.... Very interesting observation, Tati. Does this open up the possibility that Lilly may have empathy towards Scotty in his feelings of failure for getting "personal", unprofessional, and impulsive with both Ana and Christina? I don't think so. Though all situations might represent a "failure" in some way, Scotty's are lies (that he chose to tell) while Lilly's situation is more a loss of control (something beyond her choice of actions). As much as Lilly might be self-demanding, I don't think she puts those situations in the same level. |
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Post by sonny on Mar 24, 2006 14:15:44 GMT -5
I agree Tati, I don't think Lilly does see it as the same thing. Lilly didn't lie. She didn't say "yeah I'll stay here and wait." She knows it was a mistake like Scotty knew he made a mistake but the circumstances were different.
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Post by ecooper516 on Mar 24, 2006 23:26:02 GMT -5
Did everyone see that Entertainment Weekly rated Cold Case as the number two procedural show
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Post by boxman on Mar 26, 2006 0:04:18 GMT -5
Dear Tati and Sonny, I'm not asking if they are the same situation. I'm asking if Lilly--having experienced a situation where she let her personal feelings get in the way of good judgement--can have empathy toward Scotty and his bad decision-making?
For example, both of you may never have taken a ride on a motorcycle. But if I tell you that it's like riding a bicycle that can go a hundred-miles-per-hour (160kph) without pedalling, can you begin to understand the sensation of riding a motorcycle?
Consider the fact that in "Sanctuary", Vera easily passed off Scotty's self-pity:
Scotty: "I killed this girl."
Vera: "C'mon."
Scotty: "Naw I shouldn't have done that job. I can't keep my boundaries."
Vera: "Look, you give a damn. Makes you a great cop in most situations."
So, having herself allowed personal feelings get in the way of good judgement, can Lilly show empathy towards Scotty regarding his police work and involvement with Christina?
What does it mean if she can? What does it mean if she can't?
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