Ep 6.18 Mind Games

[Naj]

Mar 23, 2009 13:43:25 GMT -5 longislanditalian2 said:

Naj- ADA Bell helped Lilly by getting her Julie's notebooks, that proved to be useful in the case.

I wasn't referring to that, sorry I wasn't clearer on that. I don't understand what he did with the other lawyer in court for Lilly's shooting Gabriel.

[longislanditalian2]

It was an exhange for gabriel doing less time, and his laywer to apologize to Lilly.

[eduardodelroice]

Gabriel deserved death penalty imho.
That lawyer, Rosenthal was creepy

There's no romance between Lilly and ADA Bell: But I think they'll be good friends
My surprise is that ADA Bell & Miller are not talking so much lately They did have something

I am still loving the Martian Lilly though

[longislanditalian2]

Mar 23, 2009 13:53:41 GMT -5 @eduardodelroice said:

There's no romance between Lilly and ADA Bell: But I think they'll be good friends
My surprise is that ADA Bell & Miller are not talking so much lately They did have something

First of all ADA Bell and Miller never had something, he just simply annoyed her. Second I do agree with you on nothing happening between both Lilly and ADA Bell. Another site I've been reading everyone thinks they have something romantically; but when in reality there isn't. They might be just good friends or the fact that they just work well together.

[eduardodelroice]

I do think they're good friends and that Lilly cheered him up b/c of his issue with his daughther but nothing else. He's like too old for Lilly!

I had the feeling there was something between ADA Bell & Miller: Not romance but friendship but they're not talking to each other anymore

[longislanditalian2]

Like i had said before, Bell annoyed Miller. The writers were probably going to go do something but then discarded it; good call. It's better when there isn't any love life; too much drama

[irishkale]

I'm with you on this one, Eduardo... when I first saw her I yelled out "MARTIAN LILLY!"

But I think if we took a vote, we'd lose 2 votes to 15 votes

Too bad we didn't get to see a Martian Vera. Black suit, and with a black goatee "Evil Twin Vera"

Mar 23, 2009 13:40:31 GMT -5 @eduardodelroice said:

I know but I like to say the Martian Spy

[eduardodelroice]

Mar 23, 2009 14:08:47 GMT -5 longislanditalian2 said:

Like i had said before, Bell annoyed Miller. The writers were probably going to go do something but then discarded it; good call. It's better when there isn't any love life; too much drama

But later they were getting along well...

[longislanditalian2]

I don't see it, oh well. It's not that important, I'm not obbessed over relationships on this show anymore

[eduardodelroice]

I'm not either but I just saw that Miller & ADA Bell were getting along better
irishkale: yeah! Martian Lilly!

[coldcasefan2009]

Lilly looked more like one of those early B&W spy bad girls in the old detective shows, not a martian. she also kinda looked like something out of a James Bond film. it was different, but i know it was a delusion, still funny though.

[longislanditalian2]

I noticed something with that drawing blown up, I did see a heart surrounding it on the outside.

[Trublu]

Just a couple of points of clarification on a couple questions asked earlier apparently not answered:

While Lilly's outfit was definitely reminiscent of a Martian Secret Spy (and was, I would say, awesome), Pete was referring to her as a prostitute; that's where the outfit was going.

Also, Rachel/Lauren claimed to be Julia's sorority sister (we found out that it wasn't true). I wished that they had given a little more focus to her character; the fact that she was a drive by lesbian and/or had an unhealthy obsession with the doctor wasn't given enough weight as far as I'm concerned.

For the first episode that I've had the opportunity to watch in a while, I was pleasantly pleased by it. The characters were very nicely developed (with the one exception I noted above). I thought that Pete's storyline was rather brilliant, and that the portrayal of his mental illness was handled very gracefully.

I admit that I also had a "what?" moment with Vera's seemingly sudden discrimination towards people with mental illnesses. It wasn't in character at all for him to be that outlandish.

[Electrophile]

Mar 23, 2009 13:38:39 GMT -5 Naj said:

And green Lilly. What was that? She almost looked like Dolly Parton.


And just curious, why isn't music therapeutic - I would think it would be. Is schizophrenia not considered brain trauma ?

In Pete's delusions, Lilly was a spy/double agent. So she had a very slick, almost mid-60s mod look to her. I thought she looked great.

Schiznophrenia is a psychosis, not a physical trauma although it can be triggered by one. Brain injuries can lead to mental illness, although the studies are iffy on causation. As for music therapy, what Salazar said was pretty accurate; it doesn't cure it because there is no cure. It can help calm patients down, give them a tethering to reality, but what truly helps them is medication. I do agree that psychiatry should explore other avenues to help those afflicted with mental illness, but sometimes the only honest-to-God help is psychotropics.

[mitchy]

I liked this one much more than I thought I would. Mental illness stories can be clumsy or heavy handed but I thought they balanced this rather well. I was disappointed with the doer, I feel him being sick as well wasn't altogether believable. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, just that I felt it was a cop out to have that as his motivation.

The flashbacks in this ep have to be amongst the shortest ever but I have to say, I think it worked very well. The use of Lennon was very well done, not to overpowering, as others have noted.

Vera was a jackass in the hospital, but I mostly felt that was due to the doctor using patient/client confidentiality as a reason not to help, rather than Vera having a dislike for the mentally ill. At least, that's what I'm going to choose to believe, rather than that yet again, CC's producers have dropped the ball and let blatant crappy characterisation sneak into a script.

Why wasn't Scotty the lead in this ep? I suppose they felt Lilly needed a major ep in the lead up to the finale, but if I was Danny Pino, I'd feel robbed right about now

Kudos to the guy who played Pete, I thought he did an excellent, excellent job. Also major kudos to the editing team: that teaser was outstandingly well done.

I had a happy moment of TV squee when I saw Vicky Pratt as Lauren - I used to like her in Mutant X and, of course, Xena and Cleopatra 2525. (You're judging me, aren't you? Look, I like cheesey shows, ok! Hush! )

As a Tracie Thoms fan, I was a happy bunny this week, she got a fair bit of screen time and the bit at the end where Will removes the bottle of scotch from her hand was priceless! Her facial expression was adorable.

I really didn't pick up on the Daddy Issues thing with ADA Bell and Lilly, I just thought it was a nice storyline for Bell. Loved the stickers too I am mildly disappointed they're not pairing him with Miller, I was hoping that would give Tracie more screen time!

So overall, I rated this as "good". Any episode following "Officer Down" was going to seem tame, but this did a solid job.

[longislanditalian2]

I found myself asking the same thing as to Why Scotty wasn't so involved; his ex now deceased girlfriend; Elisa had what Pete had. Perhaps he moved on or his mind no longer was focusing on her.

Kathryn Morris really shined; and brought out the caring side to Lilly. It almost had felt as if she was once again back in S1 or 2.

[Electrophile]

Yeah, the actor who played Pete did a phenomenal job. Paranoid schizophrenia is not something you can really accurately portray, because you'd almost have to have it to understand it.....but I thought given the limitations they were working with, they did a more than fine job.

As for Vera in the hospital, it just left a bad taste in my mouth. If they wanted to go with "doctor/patient confidentiality as a roadblock", I felt they could have gone about it better. Rather than make him look frustrated that they couldn't get any information, they made him look insensitive, crass and ignorant. Which I don't think the character Vera is at all. We've seen throughout the show that while Nick has an odd sense of humor sometimes, he's not crass and ignorant. Quick to judge maybe, but this was just waaaaaay OTT.

It didn't ruin the episode for me, but as someone with whom the issue of mental illness hits home (a friend of mine), it just mirrored what I've had to deal with over the years in dealing with him and it just hit hard.

[longislanditalian2]

I personally can't blame Vera, he's been through a lot; with Jefferies's shooting. He's just arrogant due to what's been happening.

Getting back to Lilly carrying that pink bag; perhaps this episode was filmed around KM's birthday. Possibly an outside reference.

[eduardodelroice]

Mar 23, 2009 16:33:38 GMT -5 Trublu said:

While Lilly's outfit was definitely reminiscent of a Martian Secret Spy (and was, I would say, awesome), Pete was referring to her as a prostitute; that's where the outfit was going.

I can't remember this: Why do you say so trublu?

Mar 23, 2009 16:33:38 GMT -5 Trublu said:

I admit that I also had a "what?" moment with Vera's seemingly sudden discrimination towards people with mental illnesses. It wasn't in character at all for him to be that outlandish.

Mar 23, 2009 17:21:13 GMT -5 mitchy said:

Vera was a jackass in the hospital, but I mostly felt that was due to the doctor using patient/client confidentiality as a reason not to help, rather than Vera having a dislike for the mentally ill. At least, that's what I'm going to choose to believe, rather than that yet again, CC's producers have dropped the ball and let blatant crappy characterisation sneak into a script.

I don't think he was that rude. The doctor said he'd rather be with schyzofrenic people rather than people with bipolar disorder... and Vera said something I can't remember about voices and stuff and the doctor said something about family and friends. Can someone please remind me what Vera said?

Mar 23, 2009 17:21:13 GMT -5 mitchy said:

Why wasn't Scotty the lead in this ep? I suppose they felt Lilly needed a major ep in the lead up to the finale, but if I was Danny Pino, I'd feel robbed right about now

Mar 23, 2009 17:24:25 GMT -5 longislanditalian2 said:

I found myself asking the same thing as to Why Scotty wasn't so involved; his ex now deceased girlfriend; Elisa had what Pete had. Perhaps he moved on or his mind no longer was focusing on her.

He can't be the lead in all the episodes featuring mental ill people. He was the lead on "Slipping"

Mar 23, 2009 17:24:25 GMT -5 longislanditalian2 said:

Kathryn Morris really shined; and brought out the caring side to Lilly. It almost had felt as if she was once again back in S1 or 2.

Yes: she made me remember when she cared about Sam in "The Runner"

[Electrophile]

Mar 23, 2009 22:38:58 GMT -5 @eduardodelroice said:

I can't remember this: Why do you say so trublu?

When Lilly and Scotty intially tried to interview Pete, he was having a psychotic break and called Lilly a "Traden lovely woman". Apparently "Traden" was the name of the place/planet where Pete thought the enemies came from.