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Post by longislanditalian2 on May 21, 2009 7:56:48 GMT -5
Another thing I had noticed, in that song "Black", the lyrics , " A sun in someone else's sky", as Lilly looks over at her father. I just noticed that and why did Lilly even see a Janitor in her dream, was that really needed unless, it meant someone cleaning up her own messes  |
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on May 21, 2009 12:20:26 GMT -5
The Song "Black" is supposed to be an unrequited love song of sorts. Basically "A sun in someone else's sky" followed by "but why can't it be mine?" is saying "You've made someone happy but, why couldn't it be me?"
In this case, I'm not sure if that would be from Paul to Lilly or vice versa.
Seeing a 'busy' janitor in a dream is supposed to represent good fortune to come. However, in this case I'm going for another approach. If we look closely we can see that the janitor is going to clean up the mess but, he's not going to fix the source that's causing the mess. To me this indicates that while Lilly may indeed be trying to clean up her own messes, she's not fixing the cause of them.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on May 21, 2009 18:56:44 GMT -5
What is that woman with long blonde hair, supposed to represent. Even though we dont' see the front of her, is there a reason? Why does Lilly keep acting paranoid every time she sees her.
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on May 21, 2009 19:18:41 GMT -5
That woman with the blonde hair is Lilly herself. If you pay close attention, that woman will always "transfigure" into a younger version of Lilly herself.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on May 21, 2009 19:20:46 GMT -5
That woman with the blonde hair is Lilly herself. If you pay close attention, that woman will always "transfigure" into a younger version of Lilly herself. The woman/ Lilly appeared to be wearing all black, does this mean anything? I re-watch CC in closed captioning, there is one more part of the letter that wasn't spoken it was, " I am so proud of you Lilly", I wonder why it hadn't been said |
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on May 21, 2009 19:44:20 GMT -5
Despite popular connotations black isn't necessarily a "bad" or "evil" color. All colors have both positive and negative connotations. What's interesting is this here
And it also represents death, evil, elegance, mystery, night, the unknown, chaos, the void etc etc.
Time restraints I'm guessing.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on May 22, 2009 19:26:07 GMT -5
Here's another thing I've noticed, that when the divers are pulling Lilly out of the water she doesn't have the note, but when she surfaces it's back.
Secondly, after Moe disappears we see that Lilly's holding the note, that her father had written what does that mean??
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on May 22, 2009 19:40:41 GMT -5
Yeah, the note not being in her hand when the divers take her, I didn't get. (At least not yet.)
1. At this point reality and the other world are colliding. Lilly, while still in the other world (btw, what I call the dream world) is seeing her hand in the real world. She was holding the letter in the real world.
2. The letter is the concentrated form of the message behind the dream itself. There's certain events that happened.
Lilly reads the letter from father
Lilly is ran off the road and into the river
Lilly has epic dream. Symbols of epic dream all come back to her feelings for her father.
Moe tells Lilly that she's still in the box. He disappears. The letter appears.
There's something else I noticed too. Throughout Lilly's dream there is not one single character who seems to even think that this could be a dream. The only person that ever mentions it, is Moe. (In his metaphorical psychobabble he's essentially telling Lilly "You better wake up now or, you're going to die for real.)
That in itself tells me that Moe is one of Lilly's archetypes (still leaning towards shadow.)
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Post by longislanditalian2 on May 22, 2009 19:46:32 GMT -5
I did notice that when we first saw the flashback of her six year old self, when the time that her father was going to leave. I did see the disappointment in her eyes, not only that after the flashback had ended it was like she still felt that way.
The letter could balance well between the good and bad feelings about her father, the end when Lilly's fully awake in the hospital sums it up that she still loves him.
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on May 22, 2009 20:14:35 GMT -5
Eh, I don't think the letter is a balance for anything. If anything it's more like the catalyst.
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Post by leni810 on Jun 5, 2009 15:51:39 GMT -5
Just from remembering some older episodes: In fact I suspected something and finally there is a clue...
It's pretty possible that the fact of Stillman being him who promoted Lil in Homicide is a new idea for the writers... It isn't something discussed and decided from the start of the show...
In episode "Saving Patrick Bubley" Lilly asked Stillman if he had met her first partner. In fact, he barely knew him.
It's impossible Stillman being Lt back then and hadn't known that guy.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jun 5, 2009 16:03:10 GMT -5
... In episode "Saving Patrick Bubley" Lilly asked Stillman if he had met her first partner. It's impossible Stillman being Lt back then and hadn't known that guy. Could have just simply been a mistake by the writers, we know from the flashbacks that Stillman was the Lt back then, but perhaps the writers had forgotten that piece of information |
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Post by leni810 on Jun 5, 2009 16:21:34 GMT -5
Yeah maybe it's just a mistake...
But only from the flashbacks in ep 6x23 we learned that Stillman was Lt. Is there any other mentions in previous episodes?? I don't recall anything...
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jun 5, 2009 16:25:48 GMT -5
Yeah maybe it's just a mistake... But only from the flashbacks in ep 6x23 we learned that Stillman was Lt. Is there any other mentions in previous episodes?? I don't recall anything... No I think that was the first time we knew that he was back then. |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jun 5, 2009 16:36:02 GMT -5
Just from remembering some older episodes: In fact I suspected something and finally there is a clue... It's pretty possible that the fact of Stillman being him who promoted Lil in Homicide is a new idea for the writers... It isn't something discussed and decided from the start of the show... In episode "Saving Patrick Bubley" Lilly asked Stillman if he had met her first partner. In fact, he barely knew him. It's impossible Stillman being Lt back then and hadn't known that guy. Another reason to hate this episode more. The "FAKE" episode. |
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Post by myril on Jun 5, 2009 18:14:57 GMT -5
Just from remembering some older episodes: In fact I suspected something and finally there is a clue... It's pretty possible that the fact of Stillman being him who promoted Lil in Homicide is a new idea for the writers... It isn't something discussed and decided from the start of the show... In episode "Saving Patrick Bubley" Lilly asked Stillman if he had met her first partner. In fact, he barely knew him. It's impossible Stillman being Lt back then and hadn't known that guy. Think actually the idea might have been there early, maybe not in all detail, but Stillman showed signs of being a mentor of Lilly's career early on, in season one already IMO. Stillman didn't say he barely knew Lilly's first partner as far as I remember. His reaction in the scene on the balcony was more like someone knowing very well, who Lilly was talking about. Is there any other scene? |
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Jun 5, 2009 18:31:26 GMT -5
About the whole Stillman being the Lt. who promoted Lilly to homicide. Guys, this whole episode was a dream. (bla bla "fake episode" bla bla bla.) Which means that not every little thing should be taken at face value. I still believe that if people would view this episode for what it really is (a look into Lilly's unconscious mind/ a metaphorical journey) and not as something to be taken literally, then it'll make sense.
I mean, come on, Lilly manages to practically "teleport" out of the hospital. (No, not really, but she did disappear suspiciously fast.)
Also, there was something up with the whole "I'm cold, who turned down the thermostat?" This episode is occurring in May. I don't know the weather in Philly, but I kind of doubt that it would be winter weather at that point and time. Just another sign that this episode cannot and should not be taken literally.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jun 5, 2009 18:50:19 GMT -5
Also, there was something up with the whole "I'm cold, who turned down the thermostat?" This episode is occurring in May. I don't know the weather in Philly, but I kind of doubt that it would be winter weather at that point and time. Just another sign that this episode cannot and should not be taken literally. They did film the Philly scenes when it was still cold outside, from what I know. Perhaps the cold stuff was probably Lilly's own body immersed in the cold water, she was reacting to that. |
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Jun 5, 2009 21:21:41 GMT -5
But, timeline wise. Even if they did film it in say March, and placed the episode as occurring in May, then they shouldn't be using March weather. I hope that makes sense.
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Post by myril on Jun 6, 2009 1:49:18 GMT -5
About the whole Stillman being the Lt. who promoted Lilly to homicide. Guys, this whole episode was a dream. (bla bla "fake episode" bla bla bla.) Which means that not every little thing should be taken at face value. I still believe that if people would view this episode for what it really is (a look into Lilly's unconscious mind/ a metaphorical journey) and not as something to be taken literally, then it'll make sense. As much as I agree that most of the episode was a dream (the Lilly solves the case part), so we shouldn't take every detail face value (should we ever in a show, in fiction?), I disagree on those scenes being flashbacks into Lilly's own life concidering this. Those were her "real" memories of key moments in her life IMO. Of course, memory is a tricky thing and can be very wrong though. It was a metaphorical journey, right, doesn't imply that everything was meant metaphorical or might not have had more than just a metaphorical meaning. |
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