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Post by eduardodelroice on Jun 8, 2009 8:16:44 GMT -5
I know... My sexy Ray didn't got back, huh? No, he didn't. Lilly had another romance(Eddie) but It's over because he went to work undercover. |
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Post by ruda on Jun 8, 2009 8:25:36 GMT -5
Poor Lil. They really should give us Ray, he was (IMO of course  ) the best and the only good partner for her. Scotty is on the 2nd place... Hehe. Anyway, it's good to know her father is back. And still, this season finale is very familar to the Bones one. But I think she didn't had an amnesia after all, had she? Booth had. Or it was a joke (dunno). |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jun 8, 2009 8:51:30 GMT -5
Poor Lil. They really should give us Ray, he was (IMO of course ) the best and the only good partner for her. Scotty is on the 2nd place... Hehe. Anyway, it's good to know her father is back. And still, this season finale is very familar to the Bones one. But I think she didn't had an amnesia after all, had she? Booth had. Or it was a joke (dunno). Well Ray's not a cop, but Scotty is a very loyal partner to her. No Lilly didn't have amnesia she had a concussion, the Bones episode was much different. He was already in the hospital, in this one Lilly was still underwater, this whole episode was just a dream that was being played out inside of her head. |
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Post by ruda on Jun 8, 2009 9:00:08 GMT -5
LL: I know Ray's not a cop, I'm his huge fan, don't you remember?  Hmm... Sounds interesting. I need to see it. But first - season 5. |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jun 8, 2009 9:48:24 GMT -5
LL: I know Ray's not a cop, I'm his huge fan, don't you remember? Hmm... Sounds interesting. I need to see it. But first - season 5. I know that you are Ruda  , this episode was probably one the best in Season 6 |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jun 8, 2009 14:03:09 GMT -5
LL: I know Ray's not a cop, I'm his huge fan, don't you remember? Hmm... Sounds interesting. I need to see it. But first - season 5. Yes, you need to check season 5 and welcome back |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jun 25, 2009 7:48:24 GMT -5
I just noticed something, after the flashback of Lilly at age ten. The guy Marrillo walks up to both Lilly and Scotty but says that he" Just informed Nick Gardner's family", um shouldn't it be Lawerence Gardener?? That was probably just a blooper I had caught.
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Post by lillyfan on Sept 26, 2009 23:20:35 GMT -5
I just watched this episode for like the millionth time (tomorrow's the S-7 premiere so I wanted to watch it again to have it in my mind for tomorrow, I know weird). Anyways my brain is a bit slow but I got to wondering today if Lilly actually had her dream while in the hospital and NOT in her car under water. The reason I think this is because, for me, it makes a little more sense as far as her predicting what would actually happen. If the other detectives were coming and visiting her and telling her about the case then she could piece it together in her dream, just placing herself in every situation, every interrogation, because if you notice ( and I'm sure you all have) Lilly's in every single scene, she's there when every discovery is made. So for example, if Scotty told her while visiting (whether she was awake or not) that he found Gardner's body hanging in Kate's dorm then maybe Lilly remembered that had this information in her dream but instead it was both her and Scotty who found Gardner. Her dad could've told her (while in the hospital) about Finn and Maggie and she also pieced that together as well. And it could explain why the letter was in her hand at one point and not at others and why the ink wasn't smudged or the paper falling apart for that matter.
And this is just my opinion, but I kinda think she was dreaming right up to the part when she woke up in the hospital with her dad there at the end, then maybe she drifted back to sleep and was dreaming of the memory of her on her bike. Like I said that's just my opinion, it's kind of made it easier to process this whole episode for me.
Hope everyone enjoys the show tomorrow, I'm so excited I can hardly stand it!!!
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Sept 27, 2009 7:14:53 GMT -5
Her dad could've told her (while in the hospital) about Finn and Maggie and she also pieced that together as well. He could have also told her at Dinner in "Libertyville," they weren't mentioned at all in the letter.. |
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Post by lillyfan on Sept 27, 2009 11:52:50 GMT -5
Her dad could've told her (while in the hospital) about Finn and Maggie and she also pieced that together as well. He could have also told her at Dinner in "Libertyville," they weren't mentioned at all in the letter.. Exactly, because I know they weren't mentioned at all in the letter. But in Libertyville he could've told her about her siblings but not about them wanting to meet her. Because by this time he still hadn't told them about Lilly yet. So he had to have told Lilly about them wanting to meet her when she was in the hospital.....according to my theory anyways. |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Sept 27, 2009 11:55:33 GMT -5
But wait, Cooper only said this when Lilly was still inside of the car. What if that was what she wanted him to say, it was from inside of her mind. Perhaps Cooper did tell his kids and wife in " Novemeber 22nd", after seeing how mad she was at him.
Or quite possibly it's one of those things we'll never know.
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Sept 27, 2009 13:38:50 GMT -5
lillyfan - My mom had the same thought about Lilly's dream happening in the hospital. I think what kills that theory though is the end of the dream when Lilly's dream and the real world start to collide. Remember, what ultimately snaps Lilly out of her dream is Moe telling her that she's about to go under; and the water coming into the interrogation room. Water coming into the interrogation room = water coming into the car
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Post by lillyfan on Sept 27, 2009 14:27:05 GMT -5
@trb, Very true, but see, I don't think that's the end of the dream, I thinks it's the end when she wakes up in the hospital it could also be two parts of her dream colliding...the part with Moe and the part when she's still in the car. And you know I could be way off too, you guys might be totally right. I've just had a hard time all summer swallowing the fact that what she dreamed under water is exactly what happened in reality. And I know it's a possibility that could actually happen to people I just don't buy it totally, but that's just me. Like everyone has said a lot in this thread, that's what made this the #1 episode is that we don't know and we get to interpret it anyway we want. And we'll probably keep guessing about this one unless they lay it all out for us in season 7, that's what makes this show freakin awesome. And by the way has anyone else noticed that in even numbered seasons something traumatic happens to Lilly, someone tries to kill her in each of these seasons. I'm sure you have noticed, it's just interesting to me ;D @lii2-She could have also made things up in her dream like you said, I know I do (I have a new hot make out partner every night in my dreams, totally never going to happen  ) anyways sorry, so whether she was dreaming in the car or in the hospital or where ever she could have made that detail up |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Sept 27, 2009 14:42:07 GMT -5
Besides what went on inside of Lilly's head wasn't the truth, we know that beforehand both Cooper and Stillman had already met ( November 22nd).
What if Lilly was foreseeing what might happen, while she was underneath the water as in her squad solving this case
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Sept 27, 2009 15:15:52 GMT -5
lillyfan - Except another problem with the "Dream in the Hospital theory" is that it doesn't match up chronilogically. In the episode, Lilly is thrown into the river (in her car.) she has the dream, end of the dream and Moe is telling her to wake up, water starts to crash into the room, rescuers manage to free Lilly. She's sent to the hospital where she wakes up. If the dream while in the hospital theory is to hold water, then the events must be completely out of order. Lilly's car is knocked into the river, she swims out, then interrogates Moe. Moe tells her to wake up, water starts to come into the interrogation room, Lilly is rescued. Lilly is taken to the hospital where she has the other part of the dream. Then she wakes up. This could work, except the dream does have a chronological order to it, and mixing it up just doesn't work. Also remember that the further the dream progresses, the worse Lilly acts. Even her quips become somewhat stupid. "Like a one legged man at an asskicking competition" Come on, we all know that Lilly can do better than that.
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Post by lillyfan on Sept 27, 2009 15:31:23 GMT -5
That's true TRB, I know you're kinda a dream analyst here, so you might be right. But dreams aren't always chronological right, things don't always happen in a specific order in dreams. The only thing I really can't explain with my theory is why did she save herself at the first and then at the end get rescued by someone else. I don't know, I don't want to start a war because I could just be talking out my a$$. And you do have a point about Moe more or less saying "wake up or else..." I don't know I usually don't know what I'm talking about but I do love debating sometimes even if I'm not always right which is usually the case
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Sept 27, 2009 15:40:41 GMT -5
True, dreams don't always have to be in chronological order, and they can defy the laws of physics.
>>The only thing I really can't explain with my theory is why did she save herself at the first and then at the end get rescued by someone else.
Perhaps upon reaching unconsciousness, Lilly believed she was conscious, and decided to get out of there. Another deal with dreams is that you can be lucid during them. My theory is that Lilly was lucid at the beginning of the dream, and at the end of the dream.
Whenever we see her falling asleep, is when she's reaching the deep sleep or REM stage of her sleep.
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Post by Kassandra on Sept 27, 2009 16:00:56 GMT -5
Alright im a little late to the party on this one but i agree with almost everything people have posted. ( yes i took 2 hours of my time to read every post) This for me was the best season finale EVER! It was premeired the day before my 16th birthday Best b day gift ever! I recoreded it when it was on and like others said every time I watch it I see something new, those little details make me think more in depth every time. Im not to sure why but I was never really confused by the allusions that Lilly has. Like how she was solving the case while unconcious, it just seemed like something Lilly would do. Right off the batt I thought something was up because when she is in the hospital the first time there is no way she could get dressed and duck out of a hospital that quickly! Then when Stillman showed up in the middle of no where it was like what the @^#&! When she was in the interigation room with Scotty and she looks like she was about to pass out I was surpised that Scotty didn't have more of a reaction to it. The letter that her father wrote to her was so touching. It was nice to see him at the end of the episode holding her hand, she finally has some stable family. The way that the writers wrote this episode was amazing. Giving us just enough to think that we know who did it but then throwing new evidence to make us change our minds. The way they ended the final scenes with the flashbacks of the case before they pull her out of the water gives ur imagination a chance to make our assumptions. I love episodes where they end things where we can use our imagination to see certian things the way we want to see them. Overall BEST OF THE SEASON right before Officer Down Just watched it again for the season 7 premier tonight CAN'T WAIT!! |
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Post by lillyfan on Sept 27, 2009 16:19:00 GMT -5
Alright im a little late to the party on this one but i agree with almost everything people have posted. ( yes i took 2 hours of my time to read every post) Ha ha I did that to yesterday, I wanted to read what everyone had posted another time before I posted again, I didn't want to repeat anything. @trb, thanks for the clarification on her saving herself vs. getting rescued, makes sense  OOOH six more hours  |
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Post by Kassandra on Sept 27, 2009 16:52:45 GMT -5
HAHA I can't wait 4 hours until season 7 starts I think that they really opened a pandoras box with this episode becausevof the way it ended. They left certain things up in the air for us to decide what should happen but then there are the things that they left untold if they where renewed. I hope that they use things from the season finale and intertwine it within parts of season 7 |
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) the best and the only good partner for her. Scotty is on the 2nd place... Hehe.
, this episode was probably one the best in Season 6
) anyways sorry, so whether she was dreaming in the car or in the hospital or where ever she could have made that detail up
OOOH six more hours 