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Post by eduardodelroice on Apr 29, 2009 14:06:50 GMT -5
I also don't agree with her but I admire the fact that she said what she thought and wasn't hypocrite
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Apr 29, 2009 14:09:26 GMT -5
Let's look at the term 'Brain Washed' shall we?
brain wash - the process of brainwashing
brainwashing - 1. a method for systematically changing attitudes or altering beliefs, originated in totalitarian countries, esp. through the use of torture, drugs, or psychological-stress techniques.
2. any method of controlled systematic indoctrination, esp. one based on repetition or confusion: brainwashing by TV commercials.
3. an instance of subjecting or being subjected to such techniques: efforts to halt the brainwashing of captive audiences.
Now let's ask ourselves some questions. Was she coerced into Christianity by means of torture, drugs or, psychological stress techniques? Some how I doubt this because, one of the more major deals of Christianity is that mankind has a free will and, each individual is responsible for that free will. If a person is brain washed; forced to become a Christian; forced to believe a certain way then that negates the free will and, should therefore negate the person who's a Christian.
So if Miss California is really a Christian then she can't have been brain washed and, if she were brain washed then I would question her Christianity.
Then there's another factor too. She has probably heard that gay marriage is completely acceptable. She's likely heard both view points and, chose the one that felt right to her. If you're going to say that she was brain washed into thinking gay marriage is wrong then you also need to say that those who accept gay marriage have also been brain washed. One opinion should not negate the other opinion.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Apr 29, 2009 14:14:30 GMT -5
I meant that Christian and religious people are against Gay marriage just because they were told to be against it
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Post by Electrophile on Apr 29, 2009 14:19:19 GMT -5
I meant that Christian and religious people are against Gay marriage just because they were told to be against it No, that's not true. Not all Christians or religious people are against gay marriage. You're painting everyone with the same brush and that's not right. I know many people who consider themselves religious and they support gay marriage, abortion, stem cell research and all other the other hot-button issues. Each person has their own opinion and it can be independent of everyone else's or they can agree with everyone else. It's unique. Just because you say you're a Christian of whatever denomination, doesn't mean you think the same as everyone else. Even when I wasn't a lapsed Catholic, I didn't agree with the Church on much of anything....which is partly why I left, but that's another thread. |
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Apr 29, 2009 14:22:47 GMT -5
Yes, exactly electrophile! The beauty with free will is that we can decide what religion to be and, how we believe in it.
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Post by Naj on Apr 29, 2009 14:26:11 GMT -5
I definitely agree with that.
Well let's see. I grew up in strict eastern orthodoxy. There was a sermon based upon gospel every week by the priest and the story was always the following: I sin, I'm bad, I need to repent, I need to continually confess my sins and receive communion each week and then I continually sin, I'm bad, I need to repent, I need to confess....
I'm in a group of people that believe this and go to church every time there is church and that's what I'm exposed to. They believe it, my family believes it, and that's what I'm led to believe. So isn't that brainwashing?
I just happened to think to myself as I got out into the community and world (going to college) and was exposed to other forms of thinking - that led me to question. Many don't question, they are on automatic pilot. They just go along because "that's the way it's always been." They look to authority to tell them what to think. Church is considered authority. I asked my parents one time a few questions of why we do this and why do we do that in church just to see their responses. And their response was kinda agitated: " I don't know we just do it. I don't know the meaning of it. It's the way it's always been."
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Apr 29, 2009 15:34:18 GMT -5
I think it depends. If you question these acts and methods then chances are you aren't brain washed.
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Post by Naj on Apr 30, 2009 9:34:57 GMT -5
This was in my local newspaper today:
Miss California to campaign against gay marriage
- The Associated Press
NEW YORK — The reigning Miss California has gone to Washington to help launch a campaign opposing same-sex marriage.
AP Photo
Miss California Carrie Prejean waves as she comes on stage at the Rock Church during services in San Diego Sunday, April, 26, 2009. Prejean has drawn attention for her comments against gay marriage at the Miss USA pageant, where she was first runner-up last weekend.
Carrie Prejean told NBC's "Today" show Thursday that she'll be working with the National Organization for Marriage to "protect traditional marriages."
The 21-year-old says that marriage is "something that is very dear to my heart" and she's in Washington to help save it.
She says many people have thanked her for standing up for traditional marriage.
Prejean was named the first runner-up to Miss North Carolina in the Miss USA pageant April 19. Her response to celebrity blogger Perez Hilton's question about legalizing same-sex marriage may have cost her the title.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Apr 30, 2009 12:44:13 GMT -5
Here she goes again, I really wish that Miss. California would just away. She doesn't know when to quit and just keep her big mouth quiet.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Apr 30, 2009 13:04:18 GMT -5
she's another stupid Christian
*I know some other people will complain about that sentence but that's what I think
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Post by Electrophile on Apr 30, 2009 14:57:49 GMT -5
WRONG. She's stupid. That's that. Her religion has nothing to do with the fact she's ignorant and chooses to display that ignorance. Believe it or not, being against gay marriage is not strictly limited to religious people, there are plenty of those who don't believe in God who are against it as well. So she'd be just as stupid if she was an atheist or an agnostic or a satanist or a pagan or fill in the blank. She's not a stupid Christian, she's a stupid person. End of.
Furthermore, if you know what you're saying will hurt and offend people......why say it? That's like saying "I don't mean to be rude, but......" and then saying something rude.
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Post by Trublu on Apr 30, 2009 16:08:42 GMT -5
This was in my local newspaper today: Miss California to campaign against gay marriage- The Associated PressNEW YORK — The reigning Miss California has gone to Washington to help launch a campaign opposing same-sex marriage. AP Photo Miss California Carrie Prejean waves as she comes on stage at the Rock Church during services in San Diego Sunday, April, 26, 2009. Prejean has drawn attention for her comments against gay marriage at the Miss USA pageant, where she was first runner-up last weekend. Carrie Prejean told NBC's "Today" show Thursday that she'll be working with the National Organization for Marriage to "protect traditional marriages." The 21-year-old says that marriage is "something that is very dear to my heart" and she's in Washington to help save it. She says many people have thanked her for standing up for traditional marriage. Prejean was named the first runner-up to Miss North Carolina in the Miss USA pageant April 19. Her response to celebrity blogger Perez Hilton's question about legalizing same-sex marriage may have cost her the title. Well, there goes the nail in the coffin. I was hoping she might reconsider, but it appears that she is not. What I continue to be confused about is why people need to feel marriage needs to be "defended". What are we ruining exactly by affording all people equal rights? By "defending" "traditional" marriage, one is only defending homophobia, bigotry, and hate. If you don't like it, you don't have to practice it, but you don't get to prevent me from doing it because you don't like it. she's another stupid Christian *I know some other people will complain about that sentence but that's what I think Again. You're allowing Christianity, homophobia and stupidity to be mutually exclusive, when they are in fact not. Not all Christians are homophobes. Allow me to put the exclamation point on this with these pictures I took at the anti-hate rally I attended after prop 8 was passed:   |
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Post by Naj on Apr 30, 2009 16:11:51 GMT -5
Like the judge who asked the question and then villified her for it I have to agree that it's not nice to call her stupid or a stupid person. Maybe a better term would be "un-enlightened". Here's a site that is following the order of this. It's very interesting and I might add a WARNING to those underage that some of the language is not nice but is kinda bleeped as one can bleep online. There's lots there to digest but this part was of interest to me: And then Perez Hilton admits that that Carrie Prejean lost out on the Miss USA contest specifically because of her answer to the question. “The way miss California answered her question lost her the crown, without a doubt!” Perez told Access Hollywood after the pageant. (Gateway Pundit link 2) ————————————– Meanwhile, Carrie Prejean has no regrets about the way she answered, and says that God was testing her faith. See here for why she might have said that. FOXNews.com: “How are you feeling today?” Carrie Prejean: “Honestly, happy. This happened for a reason. By having to answer that question in front of a national audience, God was testing my character and faith. I’m glad I stayed true to myself.”I'm glad she was true to herself. As she said she was praying for Perez because he has been so nasty about it on his blog. Is she failing at God's challenge regarding this whole affair? Did God use this Miss America pageant as a platform for Carrie to begin a campaign of hate (imo) against this issue. Maybe the only thing Carrie was to do was just say what she thought and let it be. In any event, this is definitely a test from God for Carrie. Chronology of Miss CaliforniaI would love for her to appear on Oprah. ;D |
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Apr 30, 2009 19:46:34 GMT -5
To reiterate a certain point.
From Terrorizer magazine Issue #182.
"...'But ha! Christianity is the most hateful belief system going! Look at the crusades/pedophiliac priests/witch hunts/Cliff Richard!'
Those aren't the beliefs inherent to Christianity, those are problems merely wearing their colours and digging up obscure contradictory passages at the expense of the important basic teachings of Christ." - one of the editors of that magazine.
As far as the whole thing being some sort of test from God; to me that's as big as a cop out as "The Devil made me do it!" I like to think that when God tests us (or Christians) it's to test our faith. Not test us on our tolerance of homosexuals. It's discouraging to see that a number of Christians are so obsessed with something that essentially became an afterthought in the New Testament. No, really; Jesus never once mentioned anything about it, and yet, homosexuality (especially in Rome) wasn't uncommon.
It's not until Paul that suddenly homosexuality is mentioned, and arguments could be made that 'homosexual' was not the intended word to be used.
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Post by Naj on Apr 30, 2009 20:28:17 GMT -5
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Post by Trublu on Apr 30, 2009 21:24:36 GMT -5
Another one of my pet peeves. I was reading another article about her, and she brings up the fact that she thinks being gay is a choice, that no one is born gay. Let's get this straight (no pun intended, initially anyway  ). Nobody chooses to be gay. Nobody chooses a certain life of pain, ridicule, hardship, depression, confusion, animosity, and hate. Let's remember that homosexuality was taken off the mental illness list in 1973, and that I didn't choose to be gay anymore than she chose to be female, a blonde, or white. My life would be so much easier if I was straight, but you just don't choose who you fall in love with, you just don't. When she decides she loves someone, I'd like to hear her say she chose to fall in love with him (assuming it will be a guy). |
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Apr 30, 2009 21:39:40 GMT -5
Yes, a very good point. As someone who's bisexual I'll have times where I'm more attracted to females and other times where I'm more attracted to males. However, it's not like I wake up and say "Today I will be attracted to men and, tomorrow I will be attracted to women!"
Actually, I could say that I'm pansexual.
And if you think that what she said is dumb then brace yourself for this. According to some Christians homosexuals choose to be gay so they can pull the pity card. And I won't even get started on the Christians who believe that the gay agenda is to lower the age of consent so, that they may take young teenagers and do terrible things to them.
I wish I were joking.
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Post by eduardodelroice on May 1, 2009 6:37:31 GMT -5
Obviously It's not a choice. It's hard but you know? I'm not ashamed. I'm not a criminal or a serial killer. I'm a politician who steals money from the State. I'm a person who works, study hard and yes, I'm gay but I'm not ashamed of anything
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Post by Naj on May 5, 2009 11:14:34 GMT -5
Barbara Walters was on Larry King last night and they did talk a little about Miss California. Now I do agree with Barbara Walters on this. WALTERS: That's right. It was a fair question and she gave an honest answer and began, which they didn't -- most people didn't pick up -- by saying, look, everybody has a right to their own opinion and I -- I don't expect that, you know, my opinion is going to be the only say.
I was surprised that it caused the kind of -- the kind of concern that it did. Perez Hilton, who's a gossip columnist and he likes to be provocative, asked the question and sort of made the face after it.
And we don't know whether she should would have been the winner. But, look, here it is -- it's, what, two weeks later we're still talking about.and I just think it's a shame when -- when one is, because of one's political views, that it spills over and makes you eligible or ineligible. I mean do we care about the political views of the people who are on "Dancing with the Stars?"
Supposedly not.
Do we care about the political views when you're on "American Idol?"
So why should we care about the political views or how one feels about gay marriage, or whether you're for -- whether you're a Republican or a Democrat?
I think -- I felt that this -- this woman should have been, if, indeed, she was going to be the winner -- and we don't know that -- she should have been the winner. And the whole -- the whole blow up was unfortunate.
On the other hand, if she were not necessarily number one, this has given her a distinguished appearance and a reputation that might help catapult her into something else.Still, I just can't seem to let this go. I keep seeing stuff about her like - did you know she got a breast implant for the pageant? And the pageant paid for it? ImplantsWhy did she defile her own body?  Didn't she trust what God had given her naturally? Oh, and, people aren't born gay: It's a behavior that develops over timeI passed God's test |
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Post by eduardodelroice on May 5, 2009 12:01:39 GMT -5
I do think that people are born gay or straight... People can't decide
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). Nobody chooses to be gay. Nobody chooses a certain life of pain, ridicule, hardship, depression, confusion, animosity, and hate. Let's remember that homosexuality was taken off the mental illness list in 1973, and that I didn't choose to be gay anymore than she chose to be female, a blonde, or white. My life would be so much easier if I was straight, but you just don't choose who you fall in love with, you just don't. When she decides she loves someone, I'd like to hear her say she chose to fall in love with him (assuming it will be a guy). 
Didn't she trust what God had given her naturally? 
