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Post by Naj on Apr 21, 2009 13:19:02 GMT -5
I don't watch Miss America anymore but happened to be channel surfing and caught the last 15 minutes of the show Sunday evening on NBC. I read the news the next day about a judge's question to Miss California. (BTW, when I saw her parading around I thought she looked like the next Miss USA). For those that are interested it's here: Miss CaliforniaSo that question was: Question of gay marriage with Vermont ratifying it recently through that state's legislature. Should it be legalized? Why or Why Not? Her answer suggested to me that it's nice to have choices (that we live in a land that allows that). But she thinks that marriage is between a man and a woman because the bible says so as the authoritative source.So, while Americans have a right to choose she thinks they shouldn't be allowed to choose because the bible says so? And if it was up to her she wouldn't legalize it? First of all America wasn't founded on Christianity. Secondly why does she feel she has the right to choose for others? She said we are all free to choose! Anyone care to discuss this?  |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Apr 21, 2009 13:30:12 GMT -5
Christianity is so stupid...
Have you guys read about what reform Judaism says about gay marriage? They support it because they said that it's natural and if the person wants to marry another person is Ok...
Look for it on wikipedia...
Christianity is absurd
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Post by Trublu on Apr 21, 2009 16:42:32 GMT -5
I think it's obligatory that I jump into this conversation.  (I think it's outlined on the membership card somewhere...) Let me clarify before I start that I am not talking about all Christians here, as there are some sects which are gay-friendly, but in referring to "Christians" I am only referring to the non-friendly sects. Half of what gets me angry about opponents to gay marriage is that they think gay people are less than human, but the other half is this. Most arguments consist of support from the bible, threats to heterosexual marriage, etc. This is by far one of my favorite images (clickable):  If we have gay marriage, the world isn't going to fall apart. There are other countries that already have it, like the Netherlands, and they haven't erupted into chaos. I'm pretty sure that no heterosexual marriages were threatened, and nobody was struck down by God. No matter a person's personal religious and sexual preferences, they have no right to dictate who other people can love and marry. Two consenting adults can do anything they please. This country was not founded on Christianity, and we have no obligation to only honor Christian customs. A rising number of people are atheist, are we not going to allow them to get married, either? If Christian churches do not want to allow gay marriages, that is their prerogative. That is why they are separate from state, elect their own leaders, etc. They don't fall under the government, which means their laws should not govern everyone. Man's laws govern everyone. Not to mention, if we're going to follow the rules set forth in the Old Testament, let's also give up eating shrimp and pork (not allowed), commence striking our children with metal rods when they misbehave, and begin sacrificing animals to God. You see where I'm going with this... people who condemn homosexuality are very choosy about which passages they actually read. Second. Gay marriages are no threat to straight marriages. I still don't even understand the argument. If I'm allowed to get married, does that mean that the heterosexual couple down the street cannot? ETA: I forgot Miss California in my rant...  One of the judges very candidly said that it was that response that cost her the crown. It's nice to see that closed mindedness doesn't get you so far these days. She didn't have to agree or disagree, all she had to do was defend the right for gay people to get married. |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Apr 21, 2009 16:50:09 GMT -5
I loved that picture Trublu: I laughed with the "Russia invades"
Really... are there people who think that??
I don't believe in marriage but it does not mean I'm against marriage(gay or not gay): Just that I don't want to marry but there are a lot of other people who want to and it's their right and they can do it
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Post by coldboneslove398 on Apr 21, 2009 19:31:39 GMT -5
Naj o.O Do you need a higher prescription glasses? Lol I think you put this in the wrong section unless I'm dyslexic ;D : Other shows & movies Shouldn't this go in the OT thread?  -------------------------------------- I think religious views has some part to do with this, but I also think that the government absolutely despises g@y marriages because they prefer people to have a "heteros3xual" relationship as an effort to spawn offsprings for the future generation of Americans and so forth. I think they fear that the spread of g@y marriages as an acceptable idea will affect our growth rate/population. Just my little blurb....... This Youtube video is just a funny scare ad against same-sex marriage: Haha they talk about those who advocate for same-sex marriage as a "threat" to the way they live.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Apr 21, 2009 19:39:46 GMT -5
My freedom will be taken away... LOL How stupid...
Nice video CBL
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Post by Trublu on Apr 21, 2009 20:25:47 GMT -5
Naj o.O Do you need a higher prescription glasses? Lol I think you put this in the wrong section unless I'm dyslexic ;D : Other shows & movies Shouldn't this go in the OT thread? -------------------------------------- I think religious views has some part to do with this, but I also think that the government absolutely despises g@y marriages because they prefer people to have a "heteros3xual" relationship as an effort to spawn offsprings for the future generation of Americans and so forth. I think they fear that the spread of g@y marriages as an acceptable idea will affect our growth rate/population. Just my little blurb....... This Youtube video is just a funny scare ad against same-sex marriage: Haha they talk about those who advocate for same-sex marriage as a "threat" to the way they live. Could go in either, the question spawned off of the Miss America Pagent shown on TV. Oh, that video...because we obviously do not have a population growth that we cannot control, either.  |
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Post by Naj on Apr 21, 2009 20:55:59 GMT -5
Yes, gays should never do anything to make heterosexual, christian people feel uncomfortable.   It's the same ole, same ole excuse. I know many christians that make me feel uncomfortable when they want to preach the gospel. (you know, the intrepratation of the gospel that was drummed up at the Third Ecumentical Council of Nicea in 325 AD that threw out reincarnation and a lot of other stuff like respecting women .... )  I'm not so sure of this as a reason. Earth was only made to support about 500 million people and the NWO secretly wants a cleansing worldwide so I'm not sure I buy that reason. |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Apr 21, 2009 21:14:51 GMT -5
That storm add is just plain stupid
I still love the picture of the consequences of gay marriage::: Russia invades... LOL
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Post by Naj on Apr 22, 2009 9:16:14 GMT -5
The consequences of gay marriage pie chart is hilarious. ;D
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Post by eduardodelroice on Apr 22, 2009 11:40:17 GMT -5
The consequences of gay marriage pie chart is hilarious. ;D Yes Naj... Russia won't invade... |
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Post by Trublu on Apr 22, 2009 12:12:38 GMT -5
Yes, gays should never do anything to make heterosexual, christian people feel uncomfortable. It's the same ole, same ole excuse. I know many christians that make me feel uncomfortable when they want to preach the gospel. (you know, the intrepratation of the gospel that was drummed up at the Third Ecumentical Council of Nicea in 325 AD that threw out reincarnation and a lot of other stuff like respecting women .... ) The Gospel of Mary Magdalene? What gospel? |
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Post by Naj on Apr 22, 2009 14:00:17 GMT -5
Dislaimer: these are my opinions sarcastic as they come off....so fair warning...you don't have to read any further. Ugh...Yes...Remember...It's the one thrown out at the council under Constatine and proclaimed heretical.. ugh...in order to advance a patriarchal political agenda...ugh..to reinterpret what Jesus really came to preach...ugh...and this interpretation they voted upon by the insistence of Constatine...ugh..thrives to this day! Blessed be the Holy Spirit for preserving everthing as Jesus intended. Not! ugh...in my opinion. Note: this lecture contains an artistic picture of Mary Magdalene:
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Post by ali on Apr 22, 2009 15:57:33 GMT -5
Ha ha, the pie chart is fantastic! ;D Christianity is so stupid... Have you guys read about what reform Judaism says about gay marriage? They support it because they said that it's natural and if the person wants to marry another person is Ok... Look for it on wikipedia... Christianity is absurd Christianity isn't stupid: human beings are stupid. And about Judaism and gay marriage...you forget the myth of Sodoma in the Bible, which is the pretext that monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) give to consider gays "wrong", and also the Leviticus, which consider homosexuality an abominion. Jesus Christ never talked about homosexuality (but he talked about tolerance, judge not, and he said Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself); was man who estabilished doctrine (since Nicea, in 325, to the Second Vatican Council in 1962-65). I am baptize, but I'm not practicing/atheist (and anti-clerical): I think everybody has a right to be whatever he feels, but unfortunately I live in Italy, and you know in Rome there's Vatican City, so, in this period, Church is fighting against everything they consider dangerous for Pope's power. Bad times... |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Apr 22, 2009 16:03:35 GMT -5
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Post by ali on Apr 22, 2009 16:26:51 GMT -5
There's a reforming Judaism, and there's a traditional Judaism; but you can talk about Christianity (what? Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, Lebfevrian, Calvinist, Anglican...), Islam (Sunni, Shi'a, many other shades), Plytheism, Animism, the religions of American Indians...you can find hundreds of points of view about this matter (or something else)!
But the point is: what is the predominant thought? In Italy is homophobia.
But isn't somethig concernig exclusively religion...
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Post by eduardodelroice on Apr 22, 2009 16:41:02 GMT -5
There's a reforming Judaism, and there's a traditional Judaism; but you can talk about Christianity (what? Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, Lebfevrian, Calvinist, Anglican...), Islam (Sunni, Shi'a, many other shades), Plytheism, Animism, the religions of American Indians...you can find hundreds of points of view about this matter (or something else)! But the point is: what is the predominant thought? In Italy is homophobia. But isn't somethig concernig exclusively religion... I thought Italy(as most European countries) was liberal like Netherlands or Belgium |
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Post by Naj on Apr 22, 2009 16:45:27 GMT -5
Hmmm...my recollection of sodom and gomorrah was that fallen angels came down ( fallen meaning the angels came down into earth's gravity) and had sexual relations with families' young women who were offered by their own fathers because they were in fear. I don't recall anything happening that was homosexual.  Anyone care to expound upon this further?  |
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Post by leni810 on Apr 22, 2009 16:54:58 GMT -5
Ha ha, the pie chart is fantastic! ;D ... Christianity isn't stupid: human beings are stupid. And about Judaism and gay marriage...you forget the myth of Sodoma in the Bible, which is the pretext that monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) give to consider gays "wrong", and also the Leviticus, which consider homosexuality an abominion. Jesus Christ never talked about homosexuality (but he talked about tolerance, judge not, and he said Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself); was man who estabilished doctrine (since Nicea, in 325, to the Second Vatican Council in 1962-65). ... You are absolutely right, ali. The religions are founded a long long time ago when the circumstances were too different from now. All the "social rules" have to do with that time and that society and they are picked by simple humans. The problem is that the now leaders of the religions who can influence the people don't want to follow the evolution of the society for their own reasons and profits... However, the believers do the greatest mistake by accepting without critising. If you believe or you say that you believe in a religion who speaks about freedom you should accept the freedom of everyone to choose. To tell the truth, the spirituality, the inner meanings and so on to which the religions are reffered has to do with love. Love has no "characterisations" and no restricted limits. And if two people love each other why not get married?? |
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Post by lillyfan on Apr 22, 2009 19:54:02 GMT -5
Hope I got the quote thing right(still haven't quite grasped that yet  ) Anyways, you're right Ali, Christianity isn't stupid it's idiots getting believing in God and playing God confused. I'm Christian, I believe in God and I know that he loves me NO MATTER WHAT, wheather I'm gay straight or whatever. I don't believe that being a Christian gives anyone the right to stand in judgement of someone else just because they don't agree with something. I have friends and some family who are gay and I myself still question my sexuality and I don't think that makes me a bad Christian it just makes me human with human feelings. And I don't think that gay marriage will take away my freedom in the slightest bit. I'm not so good at making sense on these online forums so I hope you aren't all sitting there going huh? |
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(I think it's outlined on the membership card somewhere...)
Anyone care to expound upon this further? 
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