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Post by TVFan on Sept 24, 2007 16:59:36 GMT -5
THE TEAM RE-OPENS THE YEAR-OLD CASE OF AN AMISH TEEN-AGED GIRL WHO WAS MURDERED WEEKS AFTER LEAVING HOME FOR PHILADELPHIA TO EXPERIENCE THE OUTSIDE WORLD AS PART OF RUMSPRINGA, AN AMISH RIGHT OF PASSAGE, ON "COLD CASE," SUNDAY, OCT. 7
Mackenzie Mauzy ("The Bold and the Beautiful") Guest Stars as the Victim
Lilly Rush: Kathryn Morris Scotty Valens: Danny Pino LT. John Stillman: John Finn Nick Vera: Jeremy Ratchford Will Jeffries: Thom Barry Kat Miller: Tracie Thoms Anna Gunden (2006): Mackenzie Mauzy the one who's name we shall not say Gunden (2006, 2007): Shailene Woodley Miriam Gunden (2006, 2007): Robyn Lively Rachel Wagler (2006, 2007): Ashlee Gillespie Mose Wagler (2007): Chip Joslin Jakob Beachy (2006, 2007): Christopher Shand Vince Patrielli (2006, 2007): Sean Wing Dr. Penny Davoren (2007): Patricia Bethune Phil Corado (2007): James Ingersoll
WRITTEN BY: Jennifer Johnson, one of the series' co-executive producers
DIRECTED BY: Holly Dale
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Post by Naj on Oct 7, 2007 21:00:59 GMT -5
Scotty: "Wouldn't be the first christian that killed." (and the saga continues this week) I have to admit I was surprised at the turn of events in this one. I was really rooting for Anna to like it in Philly. And Vince seemed like a softy underneath his exterior until we learned he raped Anna's friend. (that actor was really cute!) It seems like alot of stuff happens in Kensington. This was totally tragic how there's no system in place to help someone like Jakob. I'm enjoying the humor in these eps this season. Vera and Lilly visiting the Amish. Lilly telling Vera to stop gawking. I loved the music in this ep too.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Oct 7, 2007 21:01:59 GMT -5
Another great episode,
First off Lilly's theraphy session could have been longer, I must say Kathryn did an outstanding job of protraying how Lilly must have felt. The case was pretty good, Vera helping the Amish man was priceless. Scotty talking to Jackob about his family was pretty good expect for his anger outbursts.
I think we've answered the question if Lilly ever had a baby, when she asked how long preganacy is. The Victim Anna was purely innocent but in the end the friends she had thought were wasn't. In fact they all betayed her; but she did in fact stay true to herself.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Oct 7, 2007 21:04:33 GMT -5
Sorry to post twice, but Anna's box was placed next to Maurice Hall's box ( the dancing kid from Kesington). This love between her and Vince kinda of reminded me of Lilly and Ray for a second.
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Post by coldfan74 on Oct 7, 2007 21:08:52 GMT -5
It was a decent ep. Im amazed the writers can come up with good storylines from real information like rumpsringa. I didnt think this episode had much of an emotional impact like most other episodes but the movement to where the killer was to be revealed and why kept my attention. I did feel sorry for jacob..spiraling down unable to handle the hard city life and come back up. his desperation to come back home only sealed his fate as well as anna's. i think what was less of an emotional impact was because it seemed unlikely for jacob to kill her since they werent interactive much. I think most of the drama stemmed from what's happening to Valens. He is obviously very paranoid believing that one of his own ratted him out to IAB. i think it's miller who ratted him out it'll also be interesting how long lily can deny how traumatized she is.
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Post by soccerulz on Oct 7, 2007 22:29:17 GMT -5
hhmm.....
I liked it. I thought the storyline was interesting - and I certainly did not see any of those twists coming.
But I think for me, the best parts of this episode were not case related. I love the humor they've been throwing in. I mean, seriously, Vera was priceless in this episode. I'm just really excited that they've been tossing in a few dashes of comedy in the episodes - it seems to me that funny exchanges and such used to be much more infrequent.
I loved Lilly's first session in therapy. I thought KM did a fantastic job in that scene - and I'm really looking forward to seeing how the rest of it plays out.
And of course all that is going down with Scotty (which seems like from the preview is going to be coming to a head next week) was interesting as well. Although - I was really surprised at his lack of control in the interrogation room. I did not think anything out of the ordinary was said - I mean, most everyone they bring in to interrogate says something demeaning or rude or just plain cruel either about one of the detectives or about something they stand for. I did not see what it was that warranted Scotty's violent reaction. Then again I was doing homework while watching, so I might have missed something.
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Post by TVFan on Oct 7, 2007 22:33:51 GMT -5
I LOVED this one and gave it a rare "One of this season's best." Jennifer Johnson wrote last season's The Goodbye Room, and I felt that this ep lived up to that one's strength. Once again, she gave us a strong, fearless, independent young woman who I felt completely invested in. I loved Anna, and I found her death to be so tragic. I actually teared up at the end when her little sister "saw" her as she headed out on her own Rumspringa (I think I've only teared up once or twice before). I loved the story and the way the characters all managed to surprise me in some way. I felt bad for Rachel and I also felt bad for Jakob. He thought that his own family didn't want him back and his frustration and desperation led to Anna's tragic murder. Vera's trip to Amish Country was HILARIOUS! I haven't laughed that hard in a long time. Classic Vera and classic CC. As Naj mentioned, it's nice to see these humorous scenes return this season. It reminds me of all of the classics from season 1. I didn't even realize how much I missed them. Also loved when Lil and Vera got roped into going to interview the Amish because neither was present when the decision was made. Too funny! I knew Stillman didn't sell Scotty out. Either my original theory is correct (that ADA Thomas tattled back when the whole thing went down and she was pi$$ed at him for what he did) or more likely, Stillman's theory is correct. If his actions are in the record, then IAD probably just went through the files with a fine tooth comb. The truth is, Scotty is a bit reckless (he reminds me of SVU's Det. Stabler in that way) and his methods can cross into the questionable category from time to time, so IAD was bound to find something to bury him with if that's what they want. I'm just surprised that Lil hasn't spoken up yet. She didn't even seem that concern that he's being investigated for, let's face it, saving her butt. She's the one who trapped herself in a "blind" room with a madman. When I read the spoiler that Lil was attending a counseling session in this one, I was picturing the typical cop show angst-y scene. Truth be told, I was looking forward to it. BUT, I loved this scene tonight!! It was classic Lilly, but it also revealed a different side to her. She was nervous. The tables were turned, she wasn't in charge, and she wasn't sure how to react. She was also incredibly frustrated and really just going through the motions. She's not going to talk until she's ready, so I have a feeling that these first few sessions are going to be filled with her sighs, huffs, idle conversation about a photo on the shelf and everything else she can think of to make it perfectly clear that she's not going to talk. BUT, sooner or later she's going to have to speak up. This thing is eating at her piece by piece and when she's ready, I'm sure she'll be a bit more forthcoming. I'm enjoying the ride until we get there, though. That scene tonight was hilarious! Kathryn had so many amazing facial expressions, eye shifts, etc. It was easy to see exactly what Lilly was thinking without a word out of her mouth. Overall, another stellar hour. I'll have more thoughts and a few caps at PTR tomorrow.
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Oct 7, 2007 22:46:37 GMT -5
An interesting episode. I'll simply point out some interesting things I noticed.
In the scene where Anna and Vince first meet, I believe he asks why she trusts him. She tells him, "because you believe in God." Cut to a shot of his arm which has a tattoo of a cross on it; an inverted cross at that.
Now normally this could be considered a Satanic symbol. What alot of people fail to know is that the inverted cross is also known as the cross of St. Peter. When St. Peter was martyred he requested that he be crucified upside down because he felt unworthy to be crucified in the same position that Jesus was.
Real theme with home in this one.
My assumption that Lilly has never been pregnant, and can never get pregnant became really strong in this episode.
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Post by boxman on Oct 7, 2007 23:31:23 GMT -5
I wasn't sure what to expect tonight, given last week's episode and the similarities in the stories' Christian and teenager themes. I really enjoyed this episode. I also liked the peek into the teenage party scene. I was wondering when this show would touch upon that subculture. --Again, even MORE and MORE water symbolism for Scotty. He and Stillman were walking along Swann Fountain in Logan Square, just a few blocks to the northwest of City Hall. Definitely, the image of Scotty standing alone with the fountain in the background indicates that his life is undergoing/will undergo a lot of change. (And of course, the two were drinking coffee during the scene. ) Vince also has an interesting line in the interrogation room: "Cry me a river". Tears and rivers. While this line was an answer to Stillman, it's also even more water symbols with Scotty present, as if his aggression earlier with Vince will also have repercussions. --Lancaster, PA is roughly 80 miles west of Center City, Philadelphia. While the episode seemed to say that the Amish never enter Philly, some actually do to sell things they make, mostly baked goods such as pies and such. There's a park in University City where usually on Saturdays, you can find them set up shop. There's also an Amish store in Mullica Hill, New Jersey that has a wide variety of goods such as meats, breads, and so forth. I think they even have furniture available there too. Their woodworking is highly prized by many people. Don't ask me how they get to these places, though. I tried asking friends and no one seems to know!! --So according to Wikipedia, the Hebrew interpretation of the name Jacob has the connotations of a life of struggle and a life in exile. Is this the origin of this character's name? --Lilly's psychiatrist has a degree from Temple University, a college in North Philly. Very funny and ironic... As many of you know, Kathryn Morris attended that school in the 90's. I found that whole scene wonderful and funny! I liked all the silence too. --The city scenes in this episode were very cool. Getting those subway entrance signs in the shots were a nice touch. --Black Leather Jackets return as a symbol of bad guys once again as Vince is wearing one. The upside-down cross was also a telling symbol. --Oh man... The closing moments of Lilly and Kat's interrogation scene with Anna's mom was very poignant. Miriam Gunden told Lilly and Kat about how Jakob would return and begged to be allowed back. He was banished by the community from returning until he cleaned up his act. Kat turns to look at Lilly, then Lilly turns away. Just then, one can easily tell that Lilly's thinking about Christina, and how Lilly banished her from returning to Philly. It was filmed very well, with a very tight close-up of each woman individually so the viewer can't miss this moment. Then, to make things even more unusual, Scotty and Vera are behind the glass. While they can't see Lilly's expression, I really wonder if the guys were thinking about Lilly and Christina too. What also made this a powerful scene for me was to recall how the case was opened because Anna's younger sister told Lilly she felt she should use her Rumspringa experience to find the whereabouts of her sister. Lilly must surely be thinking about her sister, as she's the only family Lilly has left... (Unless if daddy suddenly pops up....) --I thought Scotty's monologue at the end (with Jakob) was well done, tying in his Cuban plight with Jakob's own. It also had some even more deeper meaning as Scotty's involvement with Christina led to her exile and banishment. It seems like alot of stuff happens in Kensington. Yeah, not exactly the "tea and crumpets" part of town!! That was sooo funny! Kensington is a very poor and dangerous area of this city. As I understand, Philly's Kensington was named after the district in London, which is rather wealthy and ritzy. Sorry to post twice, but Anna's box was placed next to Maurice Hall's box ( the dancing kid from Kesington). This love between her and Vince kinda of reminded me of Lilly and Ray for a second. Good catch, LII!! I'm just really excited that they've been tossing in a few dashes of comedy in the episodes Yeah, I'm liking it too! It makes the crew seem like they're starting to mesh together nicely, and more likely to watch each other's back. It's a different feel from S3 when "Josie chippy" was brought in, or back in S2 when Scotty betrayed Lilly's wishes. Everyone seemed more edgy back then. LOL... I loved Anna, and I found her death to be so tragic. I actually teared up at the end when her little sister "saw" her as she headed out on her own Rumspringa (I think I've only teared up once or twice before). Yayyy!! TVFan teared-up!! This must've been a really good episode! I'm beginning to wonder if that congressman way back in 1.19 "Late Returns" tipped off Internal to keep an eye out on him?? Now normally this could be considered a Satanic symbol. What alot of people fail to know is that the inverted cross is also known as the cross of St. Peter. When St. Peter was martyred he requested that he be crucified upside down because he felt unworthy to be crucified in the same position that Jesus was. Very interesting! Thanks for the info, Reverend!
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Post by eurache on Oct 8, 2007 8:10:14 GMT -5
I just made home in time to see Cold Case I was at a dedication for our Uncle at a church and it took longer than I expected.. Plus I didn't have time to tape this episode, so I can review it. but anyhew, after reading all your comments and things pointed out; my eyes opened up to some of those facts I was like Wow I love the humor thrown in the episode It was a good show and I enjoyed it. Best one was Lilly's session.. lol Another with Vera sitting with the Amish guy and helping with the wood work and Lilly coming out and seeing this.. giggling lol Lots of symbolism here I see here mentioned
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Post by Naj on Oct 8, 2007 8:34:27 GMT -5
I loved this scene too. A little inside info for fans that know more of KM's background. It was cute!!!
I, too, loved Kat and Lilly's interrogation. Was that their first interrogation at headquarters together? Methinks it is.
Lilly: "Your daughter was trying to figure out a lotta things while on Rumspringa."
Kat: "To be or not to be ..... Amish."
I liked Lilly's reading of the letter from Anna. Reminded me of Season one Lilly.
I would like to see more Lilly/Kat. Besides it's Kats turn to get more story according to their forumla.
I agree with TVFan. It's the ADA after Scotty. It makes perfect sense it would be her and why Stillman is being so harsh towards Scotty. I also thought Lilly's response to counseling was appropriate. It's gonna take something to crack her open to the shrink. What will it take?
I thought the writing was good for this episode as well as directing and they made an interesting case for featuring the Amish community. I'm giving it the same I gave for the first two eps - Excellent.
I'm wondering, too, boxman, if Christina will come back to see Lilly. If Lilly falls apart with her counseling maybe Christina will.
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Post by coldboneslove398 on Oct 8, 2007 8:34:30 GMT -5
I thought this episode was okay. Idk...didn't seem anything to special to me. I liked the thing with Nick though, very hillarious . Wished the cases were older though...I want to hear some more 80s music!! xD.
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Post by LillyKat on Oct 8, 2007 13:12:27 GMT -5
I LOVED this one and gave it a rare "One of this season's best." Jennifer Johnson wrote last season's The Goodbye Room, and I felt that this ep lived up to that one's strength. Once again, she gave us a strong, fearless, independent young woman who I felt completely invested in. I loved Anna, and I found her death to be so tragic. I actually teared up at the end when her little sister "saw" her as she headed out on her own Rumspringa (I think I've only teared up once or twice before). I loved the story and the way the characters all managed to surprise me in some way. I felt bad for Rachel and I also felt bad for Jakob. He thought that his own family didn't want him back and his frustration and desperation led to Anna's tragic murder. Vera's trip to Amish Country was HILARIOUS! I haven't laughed that hard in a long time. Classic Vera and classic CC. As Naj mentioned, it's nice to see these humorous scenes return this season. It reminds me of all of the classics from season 1. I didn't even realize how much I missed them. Also loved when Lil and Vera got roped into going to interview the Amish because neither was present when the decision was made. Too funny! I knew Stillman didn't sell Scotty out. Either my original theory is correct (that ADA Thomas tattled back when the whole thing went down and she was pi$$ed at him for what he did) or more likely, Stillman's theory is correct. If his actions are in the record, then IAD probably just went through the files with a fine tooth comb. The truth is, Scotty is a bit reckless (he reminds me of SVU's Det. Stabler in that way) and his methods can cross into the questionable category from time to time, so IAD was bound to find something to bury him with if that's what they want. I'm just surprised that Lil hasn't spoken up yet. She didn't even seem that concern that he's being investigated for, let's face it, saving her butt. She's the one who trapped herself in a "blind" room with a madman. When I read the spoiler that Lil was attending a counseling session in this one, I was picturing the typical cop show angst-y scene. Truth be told, I was looking forward to it. BUT, I loved this scene tonight!! It was classic Lilly, but it also revealed a different side to her. She was nervous. The tables were turned, she wasn't in charge, and she wasn't sure how to react. She was also incredibly frustrated and really just going through the motions. She's not going to talk until she's ready, so I have a feeling that these first few sessions are going to be filled with her sighs, huffs, idle conversation about a photo on the shelf and everything else she can think of to make it perfectly clear that she's not going to talk. BUT, sooner or later she's going to have to speak up. This thing is eating at her piece by piece and when she's ready, I'm sure she'll be a bit more forthcoming. I'm enjoying the ride until we get there, though. That scene tonight was hilarious! Kathryn had so many amazing facial expressions, eye shifts, etc. It was easy to see exactly what Lilly was thinking without a word out of her mouth. Overall, another stellar hour. I'll have more thoughts and a few caps at PTR tomorrow. Ditto, TVFan. You pretty much summed up my feelings on the ep. (Gee, now that never happens does it? ) Thoroughly enjoyed this one. Although I wasn't a big fan of last year's "The Goodbye Room," I really want to commend Jennifer Johnson once again for amazing characterization. She does manage to create these very deep connections with her characters that are multi-layered and well-developed. They do not seem to be cookie-cutter good guy/bad guy/formulaic type storylines (for me). I think she also excels in doing her homework on selecting unique settings for the stories, and I really enjoyed one set in the context of the Amish culture. I am also so happy to see they have finally brought back some of the true humor/camaraderie/light-hearted moments amongst the team. Sorely missing the last couple of seasons. And Lil's counseling session ... too.darn.funny. Like Brenda Leigh Johnson's on The Closer (which was a classic in an of itself this season). I think I would've been good either way - whether we saw Lil' start talking or just sitting in silence, annoyed. I guess we'll see her "next week" ... same time, same place, same na-da. (Brenda, an equally tough nut to crack, did eventually fess up, so I believe ol' Lil' will get there ... but it will definitely be on her terms, though. ) And I see Scotty is losing his cool yet again ... does he ever learn? I would never have pegged the ADA as the one to tattle on Scotty, so another good theory there, TVFan. I definitely thought it was Stillman, but then I remember how much flew back and forth between Scotty and ADA Thomas in "Offender," so ... you may be right. I liked, though, that Stillman reiterated Scotty messed up again. Scotty gets himself in more hot water than anybody on the team, and although he has matured since he first joined the squad (Season 1's "Love Conquers Al" just re-aired on my local CBS affliate this past Saturday evening, and wow, remember rookie Scotty?), he still seems to have a ways to go on how to handle his emotions and, specifically, his anger. We shall see how it all goes down. All in all, great ep.
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Post by riche on Oct 8, 2007 15:10:08 GMT -5
Vera helping the Amish man was priceless. He seemed so anti when he sat down so to find him sanding as Lilly came out was great. I really was expecting a final comment from Lilly in that scene. She smiled as she left the house and then looked back at him as they walked away. It needed something, she'd be ribbing him about it in the car surely?
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Post by babyv16 on Oct 8, 2007 16:46:35 GMT -5
I thought this ep was good. I enjoyed it...but not one that would be very memorable. That doesn't mean I didn't like it...just kinda ok in my eyes. Vera was so funny!!! omg, I love him. I mean, he acts all hard-ass-cop, and then he starts talking about how peaceful the quiet is out in Amish country!!! Scotty! He seriously needs to calm down. Scared me a little when he shoved Vince out of the chair! Sometimes I wonder why he hasn't been fired. His behavior has been horrible lately, mainly starting at Offender of s4. Overall, just ok. IMO.
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Post by coldcasegirl on Oct 8, 2007 17:47:44 GMT -5
This ep was soo much better than the preview made it appear to be! I really enjoyed the case and the music. My favorite part, of course, was when Lilly was in therapy and wouldn't talk and was bein all bossy: "So...you wanna do the paperwork...say I was here..?" I was like OMG! Lilly! I wonder if the therapist wrote anything on her paper too... I also loved the whole Scotty and Stillman incident @ the *beautiful* fountain!, but he went wayyy to far @ the end with Vince, and it's just gonna get worse for him!! And Vera, can't forget about him! Loved the 'nod' he did to Rachel's husband @ the end. He's got a polite side, WHO KNEW! The case was really sad, but really good. Not too many suspects in this one, but it all turned out to be okay and not confusing! ;D I voted "It was excellent"
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Post by TVFan on Oct 8, 2007 19:31:42 GMT -5
Excellent observations TRB and boxman! boxman - What? No staircase mention in your post! I am shocked!
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Post by Disasterfreak on Oct 8, 2007 23:37:03 GMT -5
I liked certain parts of this episode A LOT. But all in all, something was off. I dunno what--cause I don't know much about the Amish--but something seemed... unrealistic. Maybe I was expecting too much, I dunno.
Anyway, to feed the optimism:
- Vera scenes were funny. - Scotty is OUT of control. I love this anger management thing they're doing with him. Especially how well thought out it is. I mean, they've been giving us bits and pieces of impulsive Scotty all through the past 4 seasons, making us mad cause he got away with it. And now, like in real life, it's caught up with him. Long arc, but good. - Lilly in therapy was the makings of a good arc too. So far she's been very true to her character, and just so you all know what the therapist is doing is just a ploy--respecting her boundaries so that she'll eventually drop them. It works! You just gotta have a little patience. People take a while to crack. It bugs me that she insists on being in denial... because it's something so work-related and non-personal, you know? If they sent her to counseling over her mother's death I'd understand all this denial, but ANYone would be entitled to PTSD after a shooting, and therapy's mandatory anyway--so what's she hiding out for? What's she afraid of? Showing that she's vulnerable? Breaking down walls that may never be able to be put up again? Breaking a sort of dike after which it'll be impossible to control her feelings? Or maybe she WANTS to talk, but the words don't get past her throat somehow... it happens, you know...
About the case, I agree with TVFan--loved the part where the sister saw the victim and then "doffed" the cap thingy they wear. She said she didn't care about rumspringa--but the memory of her sister was enough to give her courage enough to try something new, see a bit of that world Anna never got a chance to experience.
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Post by boxman on Oct 9, 2007 1:30:16 GMT -5
I'm wondering, too, boxman, if Christina will come back to see Lilly. If Lilly falls apart with her counseling maybe Christina will. Oooo... I never thought of the possibility that counseling might not work well for Lilly! That would be an interesting way Christina returns to Philly and rejoins Lilly. ...that ADA Thomas tattled back when the whole thing went down and she was pi$$ed at [Scotty] for what he did... But then her name Alexandria ("Defender of Men"), wouldn't make sense... boxman - What? No staircase mention in your post! I am shocked! The romantic fire escape scene?? I didn't think it was necessary to state the obvious of how it was similar to "Dog Day Afternoons", and I wasn't exactly too sure why it was that way. After thinking about it though (and Naj's point about Kensington, and LII's point about Maurice Hall's box), I'm beginning to wonder if this entire episode was purposely written with similarities and references to past episodes for the intent to evoke our memories?? Consider these other scenes from only the first few minutes: --The opening scene shows a bunch of teenagers in a convertible, enjoying their newfound freedom. This is similar to the opening scene in "8 Years". --Scotty is shown juxtaposed against a backdrop of water. In the closing montage of "Saving Sammy", Scotty is juxtaposed in front of an underwater scene. --The detectives try to avoid a long road trip in this episode like how they did in "The Red and The Blue". So again, my question is: Were these and the many other references and similarities to past episodes meant to evoke our memories?? Because the idea of banishment in "Running Around" certainly reminded me of the banishment in 2.08 "Red Glare", the episode about isolating Communists in America and also the episode where Lilly demands Christina to stay away. And I see Scotty is losing his cool yet again ... does he ever learn? ... Scotty gets himself in more hot water than anybody on the team, and although he has matured since he first joined the squad ... he still seems to have a ways to go on how to handle his emotions and, specifically, his anger... So thinking of past episodes... Is Scotty especially angry in this case because the victim -- "Anna" -- reminds him of another victim he once loved -- "Ana Castilla" introduced to us in 3.15 "Sanctuary"?? Besides being near-namesakes, they both got drawn into an urban subculture they found near impossible to get out of. And while "Ana" was introduced to us in S3 (after Elisa in S2), Ana was actually Scotty's first serious love interest that we know of. Maybe Scotty's anger towards Vince (and how he mistreated "Anna") shows Scotty's not really over Ana Castilla's death?? So this also makes me wonder a bit more about Vera's nod in the closing montage to Mose Wagler, the Amish man he spent some moments woodworking with. Mose has adopted Vince and Rachel's baby. Didn't Vera and his wife Julie's plan for adopting a kid fall through for some unknown reason?? Perhaps Mose, in adopting a child that was conceived out of the rape of his wife, may have inspired Vera to think again about adoption and returning to Julie?? Hmmm.... there's definitely a lot of ways to interpret that nod beyond their brief meeting. Anyone else noticed something interesting about Mackenzie Mauzy's bio here? www.imdb.com/name/nm0997466/
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Post by 00bomber on Oct 9, 2007 4:02:09 GMT -5
good episode in general but I'm still unsure about the murderer. Not sure if I saw it as good enough reason for him to kill her but I guess if he was stoned at the time its a different story. The music was pretty good and the ending song fitted perfectly.
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