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Post by TVFan on Oct 9, 2007 9:30:19 GMT -5
boxman - I noticed the "raised in Lancaster, PA" tidbit as well. Very interesting...
I never really thought about this as the show-long arc that it is, DF. Excellent points here. LOVE how you mention that it has caught up with him. I also enjoyed your insight into Lil's therapy session.
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Post by myril on Oct 12, 2007 18:14:02 GMT -5
Quite interesting to have this episode after past week's one. And what a contrast. Seeing the parents embrassing their lost son at the end despite all what he did - I spontaneously had to think of the 4 from last episode confessing the killing. There those kids, killing Carrie, blaming her for revealing their "sins", here the parents forgiving their son, though he commited a crime. So, now who is complaining that CC isn't giving a good example of Christian values (though not only Christian)? Tolerance, forgiving, justice ...
But most memorable moment of this episode was Vera doing woodwork. And the nod at the end. He has a heart of gold though trying to be quite a tough cool guy on the outside. Grouchy but a softy inside. Just gotta love him.
Lilly in therapy. Would have been a big surprise if she would have opened up all of a sudden. I liked what they made of it. DF said it all. Of course, you can wonder, why Lilly is so uptight and close-lipped. I mean, she could have tried to throw in a little bit about feeling unsettled by the shooting, hopping to get away with it and be left in peace, but guess she really fears to loose it. By no means she want to give a chance for anyone to digg into her private inner self, to touch anything. At least a strong part of her might not like that to happen. Though looked to me, that she was hesitant, considering to talk, but hard to start, if you're not really used to open up. And guess she can't really talk about the shooting without talking about the death of her mom.
As much I like the story arc with Scotty. Well, dear Scotty, there is just one person to be blamed for getting you into that situation, yourself. Does it really matter how this guy got the information? Not to mention, those types should know how to find things even if they're not officially mentioned in any report. Don't think there has to be anyone framing Scotty. It happens, that people look into something and stumble upon other stuff they might find more interesting.
Nice balance in this episode of case story and personal stuff. All in all a good episode.
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Post by boxman on Oct 12, 2007 22:11:03 GMT -5
boxman - I noticed the "raised in Lancaster, PA" tidbit as well. Very interesting... That's got to be about the coolest thing to happen to someone from a small town like Lancaster. Make it big in Hollywood by getting a gig on a soap, then play a guest character on a Top-20 show as a person from your own small hometown!!  - Scotty is OUT of control. I love this anger management thing they're doing with him. Especially how well thought out it is. I mean, they've been giving us bits and pieces of impulsive Scotty all through the past 4 seasons, making us mad cause he got away with it. And now, like in real life, it's caught up with him. Long arc, but good. Upon thinking further about Scotty's monologue, I think all the pieces now have been given to us to figure out this guy. It really began at home with Scotty seeing his father doing all those New Year toasts. He grew up watching his dad being frustrated about being unable to return to Cuba because of Castro. Then later, his brother is abused by a coach... Scotty seems to be agitated with seeing people in power abuse their authority. Thus in "Late Returns", he confronts the congressman 'off-the-record' about the murder he's getting away with. In "Sanctuary", he's happy to see Ramiro get caught because he figured all the time that it was he who killed Ana Castilla. So it's likely not just seeing his brother's abuse, but also his father's frustrations, is what caused Scotty to enter police work. He has the hope of helping victims by persecuting their victimizers. But it seems that his empathy is getting the best of him. Thus when he saw how Lilly authoritatively commanded Christina in "Red Glare", he didn't respect Lilly's request not to date Christina. In "The River", he thought the adult male in the playground was looking for a kid to abuse, so Scotty took matters into his own hands. Then in this episode, he's afraid that Anna (who's from the countryside) was taken advantage of by a street-smart punk, so Scotty jumped to conclusions with Vince and threw him around. Scotty's not just angry, but also impatient with the slow pace of Justice. Not really a good quality for him to have as a cop... |
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Post by Disasterfreak on Oct 12, 2007 23:31:48 GMT -5
Excellent insight on the Scotty issue, Boxman. Yep, if you take the eps apart, the clues are all there. We just couldn't see them. He most certainly DOES have a problem with authority, deep down his intentions are good, but the means he uses to accomplish them are... immature? Impulsive? Hope they continue this arc to show how he changes, the way people in real life do--slowly but surely, molded by the bumps they get along the way...
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Post by boxman on Oct 13, 2007 18:18:17 GMT -5
Hope they continue this arc to show how he changes, the way people in real life do--slowly but surely, molded by the bumps they get along the way... As in "bumping into" an authoritative, self-assured ADA?? ;D Definitely gonna be an interesting mix there! |
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Post by Disasterfreak on Oct 13, 2007 20:06:49 GMT -5
LOL! She's gonna hafta do some serious whippin' to straighten him out.
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Post by boxman on Oct 13, 2007 22:26:05 GMT -5
Speaking of long story arcs, I just re-watched 3.15 "Sanctuary". There's one line in the episode where Scotty says something like (paraphrasing),"there was a part of me that wanted her to call, so I could save her" as he glances up to Lilly. While he was talking back then about Ana, whom he failed to save, oddly enough he does go on to save Lilly -- after she calls him from the observation room in "Stalker". So now that he's helped his brother face his abuser and also saved his partner in a hostage situation, does Scotty have enough behind him to get a grip on his anger??
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Post by Disasterfreak on Oct 14, 2007 8:47:08 GMT -5
Soon as he accepts he has a problem, maybe...
I gotta hand it to you, Boxman--you sure do have some good observation skills.
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Post by eurache on Oct 14, 2007 9:11:44 GMT -5
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Post by boxman on Oct 14, 2007 11:12:03 GMT -5
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Post by bradlea on Dec 14, 2007 8:48:19 GMT -5
Just saw the episode LOVED IT I am amish It was so true Broke my heart GREAT WRITING DIRECTING and ACTING KUDOS
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Post by vavavoomya on Jan 20, 2008 11:56:14 GMT -5
just watched it agian love this eppy So sad
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Post by eurache on Feb 9, 2008 9:00:06 GMT -5
RE-AIRING A REPEAT ON FEBRUARY 24TH
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Post by Khaya on Mar 16, 2008 10:40:25 GMT -5
I saw this one yesterday evening. I never heard of Amish people before, and I was shocked there are still people living like that! Must feel like walking on a filmset when you're there as ' normal city-girl'. We don't have these people in the Netherlands. Not as far as I know, though. My parents explained me what these people do. I respect them. It must be hard to live like that, when everybody else thinks you're weird. But I don't understand why they don't use modern medication! That girl had got her tooth pulled out because of a hole, when dentists can cure that easily! Why so much pain, when there's an easier way? It's very dangerous what they did, with that Ruhmspringa. (I'm not sure one writes it like this.) Those kids came into a whole different culture, without knowing anything about the world! I couldn't imagine how it's like if you've never seen a sea before! I didn't recognize the killer the moment I saw him, as I did with the week before last week. I was shocked, because they were going to interview the Mom, and the second commercial began. It's always the same; After the second commercial the killer confesses. So I thought the Mom did it! But I could not believe it. She was so sweet, so Amish.. But it wasn't the Mom, it was the boy. I didn't expect that. I loved the part with Lilly with the shrink (write it like this?)(what's her name? Dr. Penny or something?). I only saw her face at first. I was like 'Wow, Lil' had a bad night of sleep' because she was so pale and all sweaty. She wasn't really nice to that woman. She only tries to help Lilly and Lilly wants to get away as quick as possible. I hope she'll tell that woman what bothers her once. Lilly needs to tell someone to get better. She needs to talk about it! Nick brightened my day up with his attitude against the Amish!  He was so funny! 'Yup, he's going native' I loved him in this episode! Our sweet little teddybear. ;DI first didn't understand why they called the episode Running around. But I did some research on tv.com and it's clear to me now. I noticed Lilly smiles a lot more in this episode. So maybe we don't even need to make a whole GLL campaign, do we? So, I'm going to watch it again tonight. And then I'll have to wait for next week to see Devil Music. I hope you guys don't mind me bumping these topics. But I love these episodes so much I have to tell someone about it. And since my friends aren't interested. You've probably already heard everything I've said, but hey, Dutch people always seem to repeat things to understand it better |
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Post by boxman on Mar 16, 2008 22:18:18 GMT -5
I saw this one yesterday evening. I never heard of Amish people before, and I was shocked there are still people living like that! Must feel like walking on a filmset when you're there as ' normal city-girl'. We don't have these people in the Netherlands. Not as far as I know, though. My parents explained me what these people do. Khaya, are there Amish or people who live like the Amish in Europe? They are originally from Germany and Switzerland (I believe), which isn't far from where you are at. I know that there are Mennonites throughout Europe, which is a Christian sect that shares the same origin as the Amish. I would be a little surprised if there aren't a small number of Amish communities in Europe.... |
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Post by riche on Mar 17, 2008 8:18:35 GMT -5
If in doubt Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmishI am really not aware of any Amish-like communities, not that that's proof of anything. It looks like it is primarily an American thing. |
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Post by Khaya on Mar 17, 2008 8:56:43 GMT -5
I think there are people like that here. But they're called doopsgezinden or mennonieten. I'm not sure they're the same. But I think so.
I've never seen them though.
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Post by boxman on Mar 18, 2008 0:18:22 GMT -5
I think there are people like that here. But they're called doopsgezinden or mennonieten. I'm not sure they're the same. But I think so. I've never seen them though. Very interesting... The doopsgezinden and mennonieten appear to be the Netherlands' Mennonites, and descendants of Anabaptists, the group of Christians that the Amish separated from. It seems you're right, RichE. It says in Jakob Ammann's entry that most of the European Amish eventually reunited with the Mennonites, or simply joined other Christian sects. (Ammann was the main founder of the Amish denomination.) |
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Post by annasayshi on Mar 22, 2008 13:07:55 GMT -5
I found this one really sad – I think because I was feeling kind of homesick at the time, so Jacob and Scotty’s stories about not being able to go back home already had my eyes watering, and by the time the “ghost” appeared I was practically sobbing. I thought Breakaway was good at the end, although it did feel a bit like the writers had picked the song first and then thought up the story to go with it.
Since I barely know anything about the Amish, I found that part of the episode fascinating. And I loved Lilly and Vera’s visit to the Amish community – the look on Vera’s face as he watched the guy doing woodwork was priceless.
I thought Lilly’s therapy session was really well acted – it was making me feel uncomfortable just watching it! I enjoyed Lilly switching into detective mode, as if she was about to start interrogating the therapist about her daughter. Hopefully, though, there’ll be a chance for Lilly to open up a bit about her emotions; it feels like a scene like that’s been a long time coming.
And, wow, Scotty was scary in this episode. It’s been really interesting reading other people’s thoughts on this episode, because at first I felt like this “anger problem” was coming a bit out of the blue (maybe because I’ve been watching season one reruns, where this is only really hinted at). Seeing what other people have put, though, I’m willing to believe that the writers could have been building up this arc over the seasons (and looking back over season four, it’s true that there are more incidents of Scotty being violent or aggressive with suspects than in the past). It’s an interesting storyline anyway, just as long as it all works out ok…
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Post by eurache on Jul 2, 2008 7:56:26 GMT -5
CBS REPEAT - JULY 13, 2008 9PM ET
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