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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 12, 2006 10:12:37 GMT -5
About the little girl coming out of the credits, Is it a possiblity that is KM and the creators added that . I think they we trying to give us an insight , it supposed to be through Lilly's mind and that the folder is her 49 any ideas
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Post by boxman on Mar 12, 2006 23:50:55 GMT -5
More about the Jeffries sidestory:
Its interesting to note how both Scotty and Vera are willing to help Jeffries with his social life. Not just give him a candle and cake, but also to set him up with a woman and to volunteer as a 'wing man' for a date. This is in contrast with Lilly, whom I find strange in being the opposite of this exact regard. Perhaps having a job in a male-dominated field, she doesn't have girlfreinds to set her up on dates? Her social life could use this kind of help from friends like what Jeffries has.
*spoiler warning for future season 3 episode 3.03 Bad Night*
With 20/20 hindsight, its now easy to understand the significance of involving Jeffries' personal life in this particular episode. He's alone in celebrating his 60th, and the details of Mary Jeffries' death is later exposed in "Bad Night". She was accidentally killed while changing a tire on a rainy night:
Jeffries: "I'm Detective Jeffries, they radioed my wife is in an accident."
Patrolman: "Detective? Sorry sir."
Jeffries: "Where's my wife, officer?"
Patrolman: "Name on the ID was Mary Jeffries."
Jeffries: "She was going to change a tire?"
Patrolman: "Yes sir. Trucker must not have seen her get out of the vehicle."
Jeffries: "No, that's just not right, Mary would wait for me. I should've been with her tonight...if I had just been with her..."
Mary's accidental death (on dark road during a rainy night) is hinted in the following lines from this episode. The hint is a writer wanting--but still hesitant--to tell a story of an accident involving darkness, water, and death:
Lilly: "Rose.... 'Came up from the dark without you, and everyday since has been in shadow.' Dark--is the water? This is about the accident, isn't it?"
Valens: "You gave us this poem, Rose. You want to tell us."
Lilly: "Water, Love, Guilt . . . Death."
Rose: "I'm a writer."
Lilly: "But she was, and that's why you wrote this...for Billie."
And the story of Jeffries self-guilt about the night of his wife's death is hidden in Rose's lines:
Rose: "All these years, I carried her with me."
Valens: "What happened that night, in that truck?"
Rose: "I betrayed my girl"
Lilly: "How?"
Rose: "I left her."
Of course, the connection can be made more easily in hindsight, so I wonder what other lines we've missed that are telling of the future?
Curtis Collins tells how the moonshine he sold was so potent, that he sweetened it with corn syrup. His sister, Rose Collins, fled to NYC where she lived the rest of her life.
"Collins" is the name of a 'family' of drinks made with a base of liquor, plus sweet-and-sour mix and club soda:
Tom Collins: Gin
John Collins: Bourbon
Brandy Collins: Brandy
...plus other variations, such as Vodka Collins.
Anyway, to get back to Jeffries, he's in the bar to meet Lena and enjoying a cocktail. Anyone wondering what it is???
The clincher is the garnish--a marachino cherry. Although there is a Scotch drink garnished with a cherry (a Rob Roy), any serious scotch drinker would never order one. (Most Scotch is generally too expensive to spoil its flavor with a sweet cherry.) A popular bourbon drink served in a rocks glass with a cherry garnish is a "Manhattan on the rocks"--which nicely describes Rose's rocky life in Manhattan after Billie's death. Interestingly, a Manhattan is made of bourbon with a touch of sweet vermouth to lighten its taste--just like what Curtis was doing with his moonshine.
(Incidentally, distilled 'spirits' are made by 'removing the water' from some type of fermented alcohol. I think the tie-in to removing water is just coincidental to the drowning in this episode and the rain in Mary Jeffries' death, though...)
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Post by boxman on Mar 13, 2006 1:09:43 GMT -5
Splendid episode. Those three words
I'd never heard together, before you
Made them in your mouth
Chewed them soft like sugar cane
Polished them with your tongue
Gave them to me sweet
And I swore I'd never get them lost
Is it how I can't find sleep?
I get fed this thing you said
Is it how my heart grows at the sight of you?
Then baby yes, I love you too.Beautiful.
and every day has been in shadow.
i have begged the tide to wash away my sin,
and take me to you . . . in the dark.
but every day, i surface again.
but in the spring, i'm betrayed by the new earth.
with you in my heart, then i'm borne again a green bud.
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Post by TVFan on Mar 13, 2006 11:04:58 GMT -5
Thanks for that great insight boxman! I always enjoy reaidng your take on the episodes. BTW, the director of "Best Friends," Mark Pellington is awesome! He continues to amaze me each season, but I think this episode was his finest yet.
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Post by boxman on Mar 14, 2006 0:17:44 GMT -5
One small gripe: Will's B'day seemed thrown in and not well put together. It seemed as though it was an afterthought on the writers part. I was struck with a very profound but realistic thought last night at the conclusion of this episode....This show aired on Mothers's Day.... And I wondered if this was aired with some forethought to this actual date. This episode originally aired on Mother's Day???Oh... My... God...  Good point, Naj. I actually wouldn't be surprised if it had. I've been getting the feeling, these past few weeks, that the writers are actually dangling a lot of little details in our faces to see if we pick up on them. They seem to plan things a lot more carefully than I had thought at first. Or maybe I'm overestimating them, I'm not sure. I envy the fact that you folks had seen this as an original episode. I wish you'd all gone with your hunches about the Jeffries story being oddly included, that Mother's Day was of significance, and that something was dangling in front of you. Keep in mind that in this Cold Case world, the writers are the gods.... Mother's Day is the key that you folks could have used to unlock the mystery, even without seeing "Bad Night". Consider how Mother's Day is not just an occasion for mothers, it's a family gathering. Everyone--moms, daughters, sons, and husbands--has something to contribute. Yet this episode was about two teens who were orphaned. No mother--she had died long before. No father--he committed suicide.... after being a widower for some time. And with Jeffries, you come to find that with an important birthday coming up--his sixtieth--he has no one to celebrate with. No wife, no kids. Only plans are to write his 'will'. You just have to stop and ask yourself: What kind of Mother's Day episode is this?Vera: "When's your birthday?" Jeffries: "Tommorrow. Scotty: "Howya celebrating? Jeffries: "I'm sixty. I'm almost dead. I'm going home tonight, writing out my will." Scotty: "Okay. Almost interesting name I found... ah.. Wilhemina DuCette.... Nickname Billie." So wait a minute! "...writing out my will", interesting name " Wilhemina DuCette", "Nickname Billie"... " Will Jeffries"  But Billie is dead ... and Will is alive... ...and Will Jeffries is a great enough guy for two of his buddies to want to help set him up with someone... a singer... Lena.... as in 'Lena Horne'.... From Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lena_Horne"In January 2005, Blue Note Records, her label for more than a decade, announced that "the finishing touches have been put on a collection of rare and unreleased recordings by the legendary Horne made during her time on Blue Note. Remixed by her longtime producer Rodney Jones, the recordings sound wonderful and include versions of such signature songs as 'Something To Live For', 'Chelsea Bridge' and 'Stormy Weather'."Wow. How about that? Without seeing "Bad Night", you folks could have figured: Jeffries, a widower perhaps? Being set up with singer Lena... namesake of Lena Horne, who herself is a widow...and a.k.a. "Stormy Weather"! What does Jeffries have to do with 'stormy weather'?? And as I mentioned earlier, hints from the writer, hesitant to tell a story: Lilly: "Water, Love, Guilt . . . Death."Rose: "I'm a writer." Lilly: "But she was, and that's why you wrote this...for Billie." (...as in William...Will Jeffries) Soooo.....WOW! They definitely were dangling something in front of your eyes!!! I wonder what kind of hints are being laid upon us today??? |
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Post by boxman on Mar 16, 2006 0:07:13 GMT -5
Fun With Names:Most of us will be lucky enough to give names to about two people in our lives. If you count pets, then maybe more. Writers, on the other hand, are the "Creator" for countless individuals through the many stories and fictional worlds that they create.
Rose Collins: As explained earlier, "Collins" is the surname for a family of alcoholic drinks. Rose--or Rosé--also refers to alcohol: Pink coloured wine. Rosé wines actually start off as white wines. The grape's outer dark red skin briefly touches the wine during fermentation to give it a light pink colour. This description of how Rosé wine is created, of course, parallels Rose Collin's life. Starting off as a white person, she was 'kissed' by a dark skinned person for a brief moment while 'fermenting' as a teen, before reaching adulthood.
Curtis Collins: As in 'curt', perhaps? curt:1 a : sparing of words : TERSE b : marked by rude or peremptory shortness : BRUSQUE Sounds like an accurate description of the man.
Wilhemina "Billie" DuCette: As mentioned earlier, first an interesting namesake of a bisexual black woman, Billie Holiday. Secondly, also similar namesake to Will Jeffries, whose personal story was included in this episode and also another black American. Her last name, "DuCette", can be phonetically respelled as "Deuce-ette". In other words, the 'second smaller version', which she was. Dressed up as a male, she was a 'second smaller version' of the older, bigger black male in the episode, Lt. Jeffries.
Doc Win/Winsor Watson: Another namesake of an actual musician, Arthel Lane Watson, a.k.a. "Doc Watson". He picked up the name "Doc Watson" from his radio days, taken from the story of Sherlock Holmes.... (Read here to see the similarity of the CC team and Sherlock Holmes.) Also interestingly, the first song Doc Watson (the musician) learned to play was called, "When Roses Bloom in Dixieland". Celia Watson: The surname, again, possibly refers to the Sherlock Holmes story. It is befitting for both her and her elder, considering the amount of photos, poetry magazines, and family stories she brought to the CC crew to help them solve this case. www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Celia"It is of Latin origin. From Caelia, feminine form of the old Roman family name Caelius, possibly meaning 'heaven'." (hmmm....)
Celia = "Femine form of Heaven", eh? Let's look again at something. Adding the suffix "-ina" creates the feminine form of male names, such as: Wilhem ina is feminine of William (Jeffries), Georg ina is feminine of George, Mart ina is feminine of Martin, Reg ina is feminine of Reggie or Reginald, T ina is sorta feminine of Tony, and Christina is feminine of Christ?? Hmmmmm.... Christina is the name of one of Scotty's girlfriends.....
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Post by boxman on Mar 18, 2006 11:12:52 GMT -5
More Fun With Names:The final scene shows Billie and Rose holding each other, walking in a sea of green in a park. Billie is wearing a black pinstripe suit and black hat; Rose is in red. Billie in black--both clothing and skin colour--with Rose forms an interesting double-entendre, "Black Rose". A "Black Rose" is a commonly used literary and cultural symbol. A Black Rose symbolizes love and tragic romance--two themes explored in both the main and Jeffries side stories.
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Post by TVFan on Mar 20, 2006 11:18:09 GMT -5
That black rose thing definitely fits this story boxman! Thanks for the info.  |
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Post by Naj on Apr 10, 2006 14:08:29 GMT -5
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Post by LillyKat on Mar 7, 2007 15:39:42 GMT -5
I just wanted to say that I finally got to see this ep the other week and all I can say is ... wow. Just wow. Amazing. Brilliant. Touching. Flawless. Poignant. Powerful. Beautiful. Since TNT decided to skip airing "The Woods" (which discouraged me to no end  ), this episode was a perfect consolation prize to end my catching up on Season 2. This episode, for me, is the show at its best. An original storyline set back in history a bit; characters you've not seen before; characters you want to feel for and understand; the idea (as referenced many times by boxman) that bad things do happen to really good people; compassionate, emotionally invested Lilly ... the ep just fired on all cylinders for me from both a creative and a historic stand point. I have consistently enjoyed Liz Garcia's scripts as I feel she really excels in capturing emotion without having it come across as overdone - either too sappy, too angry, etc. But what really impressed me the most was the use of the poetry (that Billie was to have written for Rose). I'm assuming Liz wrote the poems, and if so, I give her a ton of extra kudos for their "voice." I truly felt as if Billie really DID sit down and write out each line. Liz tapped in brilliantly to Billie and Rose, and that was beautifully revealed through not only the poems, but their dialogue in general. I think you get a sense with writers if they really DO understand / are tapped into their characters by the way those characters speak/sound (or as my creative writing teacher used to put it, "reveal character through dialogue"). This was brilliantly done in this ep. And as a writer, I can truly appreciate the "voices" established in this episode. The casting for this ep was just perfect. I was thoroughly engaged by both Tessa Thompson (young Billie) and Samantha Streets (young Rose) - the poignancy and subtleness both of these actresses brought to the table was incredible. Piper Laurie's portrayal of the older Rose was just so moving - she kept a lid on her emotions, but you could sense how it was all brimming under the surface for all those years. The one line at the end on how she had always felt it was her fault that Billie died ("I lived") ... wow. Perfection for me. I completely understand how this episode deservedly won its 2006 GLAAD Award. For me, I'm not sure the show has done another episode quite of this caliber. As much as I love eps like "Sherry Darlin,'" "Mind Hunters," "Kensington," and "The Woods" ... "Best Friends" is now firmly entrenched as a Top 5 CC ep of all time for me. I'm so glad to have been able to see it. |
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Post by TVFan on Mar 7, 2007 17:54:57 GMT -5
I just loved your review LillyKat. Best Friends is one of those CC gems that you'll never see another show match. Just brilliant all around. I'm glad you enjoyed it so much. |
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Post by boxman on Mar 7, 2007 23:17:27 GMT -5
LillyKat, I'm very happy you caught it! As time went by, I was beginning to wonder if you had missed it... You didn't post a comment soon after as you normally do. It's good to hear that you enjoyed it as much as you did!
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Post by michelle on Mar 7, 2007 23:59:23 GMT -5
I'm going to have to rewatch this episode! I don't remember being especially impressed with it and I've been wondering if I originally watched it on one of those nights when I was trying to do three other things at the same time. (I'm bad about that.)
I'll try to watch this weekend. Will let you know if I get some enlightenment.
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Post by LillyKat on Mar 8, 2007 12:29:10 GMT -5
Thanks, TVFan! boxman - Over these last several months, I had to scale back posting coments after each of the S2 eps - I just didn't have the time. But thank you for keeping an eye out for me. michelle - I hope you enjoy this ep the second go around. |
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Post by Naj on Mar 8, 2007 13:55:38 GMT -5
I was blown away by this episode. It was totally unexpected the quality all around and it is in my top 5 for the series.
*naj contemplates pulling out the ole tape to watch*
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Post by eurache on Apr 26, 2008 7:08:53 GMT -5
AIRING ON TNT ON APRIL 29TH, 2008 (5AM)
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Post by eurache on Jun 28, 2008 8:11:35 GMT -5
TNT REPEAT - JULY 10, 2008 (1AM ET)
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Post by eurache on Aug 30, 2008 10:48:06 GMT -5
TNT REPEAT - 9/5/08 - 2AM ET
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Post by nomnivore on Apr 5, 2010 4:39:10 GMT -5
This is such a sad and beautiful episode. Poor Billie and Rose. They knew they were doomed. The way they held each other as the truck went over the bridge was heartbreaking. Poor Rose for living. 70 years of keeping it a secret and mourning Billie. I'm glad she got to see Billie in the end.
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Post by andp on Aug 22, 2011 10:39:28 GMT -5
I found this one good, but far too ambiguous and cryptic. Were they best friends or something more? Was the opposition to them because of that something more or because of the Jim Crow era? I guess it at least paved the way for Fireflies and Forever Blue, which were much more clear and explicit.
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