Episode 19: Late Returns

[coldcasefan2009]

oh. i thought when she said where her gun was she was also taking the rap for him, or that's what i seemed like. thanks.

[coldcasefan2009]

actually from the ending scene he never intended to kill her let alone throw her down the stairs, she was coming on so strong and he simply pushed her back a little too close to the stairs, and she fell and it was a freak accident. he simply confessed what happened. not that he was a killer or had the motive.

arresting someone for such a freak accident would be like convicting murder on a football player for tackling someone and then having them die from the injuries later on. or a baseball player who's hit unfortunately line-drives to the forehead of a outfielder.

[longislanditalian2]

Abby didn't kill the guy, He committed sucide in his car, that meant there wasn't an homicide for his case. Also Abby did help David dump Vanessa's body into the water, but David wasn't charged with anything.

[coldcasefan2009]

yeah, he should've been charged for that, but not murder itself, since he had no intent nor motive and the death in itself was a accident. i think he was scared and/or even convinced to do that last act from her influence. Abby was the definete driving factor in the whole mess though. the ring leader perhaps?

[longislanditalian2]

He wasn't since he talked out of school so to speak, that Scotty couldn't arrest him. Besides they already have all the evidence they needed to try Abby. David, basically was a victim of his sister; the courts probably saw it that way. Also he's a big polition now, that wouldn't be a good thing for him to be arrested.

[coldcasefan2009]

yeah, they'd have a media circus on their hands wouldn't they?

[longislanditalian2]

Yes, but remember not everything in this episode or show will be answered; somethings are just better off not being answered; gives element of mystery and surprise to it.

[coldcasefan2009]

i understand, however a lot of episodes, esp reruns, get vital parts to the plot edited out for commercial time. it sucks, on Boy Crazy, the last scene was prematurely deleted to compensate. i missed why Dom was arrested until i asked on this forum. i get one new ep of CC per week, but i don't hesitate to get my Cold Case fix on the other two episodes, always shuffled from the earlier seasons, on the other channels.

the other episodes play at 10pm and 11pm. they play on a digital OTA channel called 'myTSN,' a CBS affiliate. but they play commercials at odd times so shows get edited to compensate, leaving vital parts to the plot of shows such as Cold Case deleted.

[eduardodelroice]

@ LII2--- If Abby did not kill the guy(I have been watching reruns but no reruns of Late Returns was scheduled), she was arrested only for Vanessa's "murder"? and it's like ccfan2009 said, that was not even murder... I missed the part when they explained it Vanessa's father killed himself... Hoping for a rerun soon

[coldcasefan2009]

the part of the father killing himself was either deleted here for commercial airtime (common) or i just missed it. thanks for revealing that one. Abby was most likely arrested for dumping the body, and like longisland said, he wasn't able to be arrested for the same due to the lack of mirandaizing (sp?) or something else.

[longislanditalian2]

Actually I find that if it airs the on ABC or CW at night, it gets cut off due to games. Usually TNT is a better source for retuns.

[coldcasefan2009]

yeah but i don't have cable or satellite here. so i miss TNT. however, CC has been postponed for football a few times, it really gets me on withdrawal. only myTSN limits airtime, all new episodes are played in full on CBS each week. but i only started watching from season 6, i missed the earlier ones, so i catch them, edited sadly, on the only other network i receive that plays them.

[longislanditalian2]

You can try youtube, they have a lot of clips on there from ealier season; not full episodes.
I'm glad you enjoyed this episode, I like this one a lot.

[myril]

Jan 12, 2009 15:05:47 GMT -5 longislanditalian2 said:

Abby didn't kill the guy, He committed sucide in his car, that meant there wasn't an homicide for his case. Also Abby did help David dump Vanessa's body into the water, but David wasn't charged with anything.

It was no suicide, it was murder, two shots, a 25mm. They found the gun in Abbey's apartment.

[longislanditalian2]

Right, I jsut rewatched the episode again . I was thinking about the blood loss and that he was a hemophiliac.

[stillmanfan]

I thought this was a good episode but I like to know how the Commissioner knew that Lilly and Scotty were talking to Lake? Sheesh.

[nomnivore]

I remember hating this episode when I first watched it, but on rewatch, it's not too bad.

Interestingly, this episode did something which I don't think I've seen in any other episode- it had the characters make sly jokes about future events (Clinton's womanising, making sure you punched out the holes when voting). That was kind of off putting, and I'm so glad the show refrained from doing it again.

I really liked Vanessa. She was kind and hard working- even once she had found the truth out about David, she still liked him.

Abby and David's relationship was really squicky and gross. I guess I've seen too many episodes of CSI where this is the shocking secret.

I felt sorry for the boyfriend- although the drunk ex boyfriend making a scene is kind of a Cold Case cliche.

I wish they had solved the case. I know it's more realistic that not every doer is arrested, but the way this ended was just frustrating, and poor Vanessa's ghost looked so disappointed at the end.

[andp]

This one was horrible. They have absolutely no excuse for letting the killer go. The whole point of the show is to see justice prevail. And the fact that Rush wasn't the one pursuing it was really off-putting. Whatever happened to "people matter, they deserve justice", "I don't like bastards getting away with murder", etc? For a first season episode, this was really unforgivable.

And he can't be arrested because he wasn't Mirandized? Is that their idea of a joke? NOBODY on this show is ever Mirandized before confessing and being arrested. Hell, they even renege on promises not to charge if an accomplice testifies against someone else (Lindsay in Spiders).

So, sorry for the language, but F*ck this episode and F*ck the idiot writers.

[ninja1088]

Aug 4, 2012 0:21:31 GMT -5 andp said:

This one was horrible. They have absolutely no excuse for letting the killer go. The whole point of the show is to see justice prevail. And the fact that Rush wasn't the one pursuing it was really off-putting. Whatever happened to "people matter, they deserve justice", "I don't like bastards getting away with murder", etc? For a first season episode, this was really unforgivable.

And he can't be arrested because he wasn't Mirandized? Is that their idea of a joke? NOBODY on this show is ever Mirandized before confessing and being arrested. Hell, they even renege on promises not to charge if an accomplice testifies against someone else (Lindsay in Spiders).

So, sorry for the language, but F*ck this episode and F*ck the idiot writers.

Just saw this episode the other way and I agree with you and others how disappointing the ending was in that while Abby was caught for the murder she committed,David walked on the killing he had done.
Vanessa's ghost giving the sad look to Lily drives the point home that they unlike so many other episodes,they failed in getting justice this time.
In the same breath though,Cold Case is a show that deals with cases going as far back as the 1930's and 40's with doers that have gotten away with murder for decades confessing after a two or three minute interrogation.
At some point,they were going to run into someone whom they weren't going to be able to nail and the main killer in this episode was one of them.