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Post by TVFan on May 26, 2006 10:48:21 GMT -5
I guess they're picking back up where they left off before they took the break for the NBA coverage and such. Thanks byrdman!
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Post by soccerulz on May 26, 2006 13:48:15 GMT -5
Thanks so much Byrdman!
I love this episode! ;D
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Post by Nikki B. on Jun 6, 2006 23:19:42 GMT -5
I finally got a chance to watch the episode again. And it's still such a powerful ep!
I happened to capture some quotes while watching it. I'm sure they've already been written down several times, but these are just some of the few ones I found kinda interesting/funny.
"ADA Kite. Assistant Distric Attorney; IV league jerk"
"You a special kind of stupid, Will?"
"pulled out his 'b*tch killer'"
"heads up, I found the b*tch killer"
"well that blood had Paige Pratt's DNA"
"...she wanted one thing; to see her dead"
"jane and i had something that most people don't. in our situation, you'd do the samething. love. ours was different than other peoples"
"he got a gun, he took her out to a field, and got her out of our lives. and came and told me about it."
"i don't think you're hearing me, he loved me so much, he did murder for me"
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Post by nicky on Nov 2, 2006 18:57:41 GMT -5
This episode is showing tomorrow, I can't wait to see it, you'll probably get a essay about this episode tomorrow  Sorry but I can't believe they are showing these episodes cause I've not seen most of them. I happy.  |
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Post by eurache on Jun 7, 2008 10:31:58 GMT -5
TNT REPEAT - JUNE 10, 2008 (3AM)
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Post by eurache on Aug 2, 2008 10:33:21 GMT -5
RE-AIRING ON TNT - 8/5/08 - 4AM ET
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Post by Bee on Dec 9, 2008 2:46:27 GMT -5
I just saw this episode, and I loved it! It is confirmed: I adore S1 Lilly. Lilly with the oragami was just perfect, and Kathryn Morris's delivery of the line, "Until Bennett cheats...*gasp*!" was perfect and hilarious. In fact, her delivery was perfect and hilarious exactly when it was supposed to be - that's another thing I love about S1 and miss about (almost) all the others: the humour. I liked the little moment where Lilly told Scotty he couldn't expect to be star in his first week - it was like she was genuinely looking out for him. Plus, I enjoyed the case, because it seemed very logical in the pair's little world to think that Paige was "coming between them" and had to die for that? I have to say, I did think that Lilly coming in and telling Jane that Bennett had asked her if they wanted to tell the police together.
Did anyone else feel sorry for the man who worked at the car shop, or wherever it was? It's just that he thought he and Bennett were true friends...and to hear that Bennett thought he was some kind of loser must have been really crushing. What I don't understand was - why did Bennett dismiss Will (I think that was his name?) when Lilly and Scotty came over to see him? He relied on the guy to say that he and Janie had gone to the cinema together and to keep the blood in the car quiet, and, if Bennett hadn't been so cruel about it, I'm pretty sure he would have. All he had to do was tell Lil and Scotty that they were friends, and the detectives would have believed him. So why didn't he?
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Post by eduardodelroice on Dec 9, 2008 7:24:09 GMT -5
I just saw this episode, and I loved it! It is confirmed: I adore S1 Lilly. Lilly with the oragami was just perfect, and Kathryn Morris's delivery of the line, "Until Bennett cheats...*gasp*!" was perfect and hilarious. In fact, her delivery was perfect and hilarious exactly when it was supposed to be - that's another thing I love about S1 and miss about (almost) all the others: the humour. I liked the little moment where Lilly told Scotty he couldn't expect to be star in his first week - it was like she was genuinely looking out for him. Plus, I enjoyed the case, because it seemed very logical in the pair's little world to think that Paige was "coming between them" and had to die for that? I have to say, I did think that Lilly coming in and telling Jane that Bennett had asked her if they wanted to tell the police together. Did anyone else feel sorry for the man who worked at the car shop, or wherever it was? It's just that he thought he and Bennett were true friends...and to hear that Bennett thought he was some kind of loser must have been really crushing. What I don't understand was - why did Bennett dismiss Will (I think that was his name?) when Lilly and Scotty came over to see him? He relied on the guy to say that he and Janie had gone to the cinema together and to keep the blood in the car quiet, and, if Bennett hadn't been so cruel about it, I'm pretty sure he would have. All he had to do was tell Lil and Scotty that they were friends, and the detectives would have believed him. So why didn't he? Hi Bee/ This was the first Cold Case episode that made a hard Cold Case fan... I loved the case and the music played... The final song "She's got a way" was excellent. Another important detail is that Paige's family had been relocated to Georgia and this is important because sometimes families don't want to colaborate and It's understandable because wounds maybe never healed. Another thing that left me thinking was Al: I thought he was gonna be more important in this episode but he only had 3 scenes! I think Bennett denied his friend because he never thought he was gonna say everything. |
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Post by myril on Dec 9, 2008 12:42:20 GMT -5
Did anyone else feel sorry for the man who worked at the car shop, or wherever it was? It's just that he thought he and Bennett were true friends...and to hear that Bennett thought he was some kind of loser must have been really crushing. What I don't understand was - why did Bennett dismiss Will (I think that was his name?) when Lilly and Scotty came over to see him? He relied on the guy to say that he and Janie had gone to the cinema together and to keep the blood in the car quiet, and, if Bennett hadn't been so cruel about it, I'm pretty sure he would have. All he had to do was tell Lil and Scotty that they were friends, and the detectives would have believed him. So why didn't he? There are friends and then there are "friends". Will called Bennet a friend, but doubt that Bennet the other way around really ever saw Will as friend. Will was some guy to him, someone to rip of. He for sure choose Will to do the dirty work not only because Will was foolish enough to do it as a friendly job, but I think he already had in mind, that if someone would discover something about the car, they would more likely suspect Will than him, assuming the outcast couldn't take that a beautiful girl turned him down, "being B wanting A" Lilly said something like that. Bennet had Jane, he was member of the track team, class president, went to Princeton and now is a surgent - why suspect him, a successful citizen? When Lilly and Scotty first interviewed Bennet, he obviously concluded, better to distance himself totally from Will and tell them even, that Will had a gun. Stupid move, right, but typical thinking. And it nearly worked, didn't it? If Lilly wouldn't have listen to her guts and smart mind, that something was wrong, probably Will would have been charged and sentenced. |
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Post by toddsmitts on Dec 9, 2008 17:42:20 GMT -5
Regarding the title, it is a little odd, given what a minor role Al ended up playing in the whole story.
One thing I find noticeably different about early episodes like this, was they hadn't really settled into having the victim go through a character arc, as they do now. It DID happen occasionally (Holly in "Hubris" figured out that dating a married man's NEVER a good idea, for example), but during the first season, it was more of an exception than a rule, as opposed to now when it's the other way around.
Paige doesn't really go through any sort of arc here (she's not even in most of the flashbacks, really). Neither does Danny, the victim in the following episode "A Time to Hate" (he was already comfortable with who he was and didn't take crap about it). Same goes for the victims in "Volunteers" and "Resolutions".
I think it was more a case of finding out new things about the victim, rather than the victim actually changing. (i.e. finding out "Rebecca" in "Maternal Instincts" was a con artists who stole another couple's kid).
What do you think?
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Post by eduardodelroice on Dec 9, 2008 18:41:56 GMT -5
Regarding the title, it is a little odd, given what a minor role Al ended up playing in the whole story. One thing I find noticeably different about early episodes like this, was they hadn't really settled into having the victim go through a character arc, as they do now. It DID happen occasionally (Holly in "Hubris" figured out that dating a married man's NEVER a good idea, for example), but during the first season, it was more of an exception than a rule, as opposed to now when it's the other way around. Paige doesn't really go through any sort of arc here (she's not even in most of the flashbacks, really). Neither does Danny, the victim in the following episode "A Time to Hate" (he was already comfortable with who he was and didn't take crap about it). Same goes for the victims in "Volunteers" and "Resolutions". I think it was more a case of finding out new things about the victim, rather than the victim actually changing. (i.e. finding out "Rebecca" in "Maternal Instincts" was a con artists who stole another couple's kid). What do you think? hi todd, If by "arc" you mean change(sorry for my English) yeah, that's right... Now victims change a lot but I like both ways because when the victim changes, It's cool too This was the first CC Episode that made me love it! The victim wasn't the classic good girl(cheating on her boyfriend with the man that ended up killing her) About Rebecca/Linda in 1.21 Maternal Instinct(another of my top fav episodes), I dont know why so many people say she is an unsympathetic victim, she stole a kid, yeah that's wrong but in the end all she wanted is to have a kid to take care of/she was a very good mother... In the end her ghost is crying when Sean is reunited with his real family... |
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Post by toddsmitts on Dec 9, 2008 18:55:12 GMT -5
Regarding the title, it is a little odd, given what a minor role Al ended up playing in the whole story. One thing I find noticeably different about early episodes like this, was they hadn't really settled into having the victim go through a character arc, as they do now. It DID happen occasionally (Holly in "Hubris" figured out that dating a married man's NEVER a good idea, for example), but during the first season, it was more of an exception than a rule, as opposed to now when it's the other way around. Paige doesn't really go through any sort of arc here (she's not even in most of the flashbacks, really). Neither does Danny, the victim in the following episode "A Time to Hate" (he was already comfortable with who he was and didn't take crap about it). Same goes for the victims in "Volunteers" and "Resolutions". I think it was more a case of finding out new things about the victim, rather than the victim actually changing. (i.e. finding out "Rebecca" in "Maternal Instincts" was a con artist who stole another couple's kid). What do you think? hi todd, If by "arc" you mean change(sorry for my English) yeah, that's right... Now victims change a lot but I like both ways because when the victim changes, It's cool too This was the first CC Episode that made me love it! The victim wasn't the classic good girl(cheating on her boyfriend with the man that ended up killing her) About Rebecca/Linda in 1.21 Maternal Instinct(another of my top fav episodes), I dont know why so many people say she is an unsympathetic victim, she stole a kid, yeah that's wrong but in the end all she wanted is to have a kid to take care of/she was a very good mother... In the end her ghost is crying when Sean is reunited with his real family... You could make the same argument about the couple in "Ghost of My Child". Bottom line, in both cases, they stole the most precious thing in the world from those people. She was also someone who used people, then discarded them when they're were no use to her anymore: Her husband, the supermarket guy, the doctor who ended up killing her. Maybe she would have turned out a better person if she hadn't had such an unbelievably indifferent mother, but you can only blame your parents for so much. |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Dec 9, 2008 20:01:09 GMT -5
You could make the same argument about the couple in "Ghost of My Child". Bottom line, in both cases, they stole the most precious thing in the world from those people. She was also someone who used people, then discarded them when they're were no use to her anymore: Her husband, the supermarket guy, the doctor who ended up killing her. Maybe she would have turned out a better person if she hadn't had such an unbelievably indifferent mother, but you can only blame your parents for so much. I really hated that couple from "The Ghost of my child"... I don't know why. They even did not show love for the boy, they just wanted him as a prize or something while Rebecca really wanted to be a mother... But, going back to what you said before, That's right, In those episodes victims did not change all their life as some do now but I like both ways |
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Post by Bee on Dec 15, 2008 2:23:23 GMT -5
I, too, thought that "Love Conquers Al" was a slightly ridiculous title. I mean, it would have been much more appropriate if they'd focused on him, and shown how completely his life had been ruined (like they did with the doctor in Schaudenfreude), but they didn't.
Something they did in this episode that they didn't really do in the later ones was they used the flashbacks to more vouch for what the character is saying: i.e., Bennett says, " for like fifteen minutes..." and then we see the flashback of him and Paige kissing in the car together, whereas in the later episodes, flashbacks are more used to develop a situation and showing little hints at what might have happened, like an odd turn of phrase by the victim that the character having the flashback didn't even notice until the detectives pointed it out. Does that make sense?
One thing that I prefer from the later episodes: longer flashbacks! I like the long, detailed flashbacks they have now.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Dec 15, 2008 3:34:54 GMT -5
I, too, thought that "Love Conquers Al" was a slightly ridiculous title. I mean, it would have been much more appropriate if they'd focused on him, and shown how completely his life had been ruined (like they did with the doctor in Schaudenfreude), but they didn't. Something they did in this episode that they didn't really do in the later ones was they used the flashbacks to more vouch for what the character is saying: i.e., Bennett says, " for like fifteen minutes..." and then we see the flashback of him and Paige kissing in the car together, whereas in the later episodes, flashbacks are more used to develop a situation and showing little hints at what might have happened, like an odd turn of phrase by the victim that the character having the flashback didn't even notice until the detectives pointed it out. Does that make sense?
One thing that I prefer from the later episodes: longer flashbacks! I like the long, detailed flashbacks they have now. you're right bee This episode was special because it was the first Scotty episode and because I felt there were few characters but It was an extremely good episode. Also, the final montage was EXCELLENT |
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Post by myril on Dec 15, 2008 7:08:36 GMT -5
I, too, thought that "Love Conquers Al" was a slightly ridiculous title. I mean, it would have been much more appropriate if they'd focused on him, and shown how completely his life had been ruined (like they did with the doctor in Schaudenfreude), but they didn't. At first I wondered, if eventually someone made a spelling mistake. Guess they couldn't withstand the pun. Love Conquers Al(l) ... It does make sense. Think a good mix of both is something I could agree on. Longer flashbacks, well, they pose more the risk of telling too much, meaning, things that the person actually couldn't have seen or known, trying to give the viewers hints on what happened, or to give more sense to the whole story. It's a difficult thing perhaps anyway. Are the flashbacks more a subjective view of the person talking or should they give away more than that, like we're revisiting the scene together. Hm, haven't really paid attention to that so far, might be interesting to do so. And probably to make a thread of it ... |
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Post by toddsmitts on Dec 15, 2008 7:54:16 GMT -5
You could make the same argument about the couple in "Ghost of My Child". Bottom line, in both cases, they stole the most precious thing in the world from those people. She was also someone who used people, then discarded them when they're were no use to her anymore: Her husband, the supermarket guy, the doctor who ended up killing her. Maybe she would have turned out a better person if she hadn't had such an unbelievably indifferent mother, but you can only blame your parents for so much. I really hated that couple from "The Ghost of my child"... I don't know why. They even did not show love for the boy, they just wanted him as a prize or something while Rebecca really wanted to be a mother... I saw no sign that they merely wanted Max as a "prize". They did justify it by telling themselves they were saving him from a bad home with an addict mom. (If you go back and watch the conversation between Lois and Priscilla, you can see why Lois was sure Priscilla would relapse). As flimsy as that justificaton was, Rebecca didn't even have that, as Sean definately came from a happy home. |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Dec 15, 2008 13:49:30 GMT -5
I still think the real intention was "love conquers all" because the Spanish title for this episode is "el amor conquista todo" that is like Love conquers everything(same as all) so In spanish they did not have the mistake, I dont know... just speculation I really hated that couple from "The Ghost of my child"... I don't know why. They even did not show love for the boy, they just wanted him as a prize or something while Rebecca really wanted to be a mother... I saw no sign that they merely wanted Max as a "prize". They did justify it by telling themselves they were saving him from a bad home with an addict mom. (If you go back and watch the conversation between Lois and Priscilla, you can see why Lois was sure Priscilla would relapse). As flimsy as that justificaton was, Rebecca didn't even have that, as Sean definately came from a happy home. That's right but I liked that Rebecca cried in the end |
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Post by Bee on Dec 15, 2008 16:28:21 GMT -5
Wow, now I really want to know! Was it a typo (of sorts), or was it an intentional pun...? I mean, I'd think it was an error were it not for the fact that Al was Paige's boyfriend, and in a way, his love for her did conquer him, because he remembers how in love with her he was, and said that "It hurt." Therefore, his jealous nature/love for Paige "conquered" him and was the main reason he was a suspect in her death. However, it wasn't expanded the way I thought it was...and love conquered many people in this episode *laughs*: Scotty and Lilly (indirectly, like when they're remembering that they were never lucky in love during the final interrogation); Bennett; Janie; Al himself; even Paige.
In response to myril's post: one of the things I liked about this episode was that it was the first use of misrepresentation through flashback. Like Janie used the flashback that was in fact of her and Bennett discussing murdering Paige and acted like it was of their "first time" together. That was something I'd always wish they would use more of, although I suppose it could get confusing.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Dec 16, 2008 5:03:11 GMT -5
Wow, now I really want to know! Was it a typo (of sorts), or was it an intentional pun...? I mean, I'd think it was an error were it not for the fact that Al was Paige's boyfriend, and in a way, his love for her did conquer him, because he remembers how in love with her he was, and said that "It hurt." Therefore, his jealous nature/love for Paige "conquered" him and was the main reason he was a suspect in her death. However, it wasn't expanded the way I thought it was...and love conquered many people in this episode *laughs*: Scotty and Lilly (indirectly, like when they're remembering that they were never lucky in love during the final interrogation); Bennett; Janie; Al himself; even Paige. In response to myril's post: one of the things I liked about this episode was that it was the first use of misrepresentation through flashback. Like Janie used the flashback that was in fact of her and Bennett discussing murdering Paige and acted like it was of their "first time" together. That was something I'd always wish they would use more of, although I suppose it could get confusing. Personally, I think It was a typo that they could not stop... Al was not an important episode, they did not even get an important clue in the case when they interviewed him, he was only in 3 scenes! and with the Spanish evidence, I say It was a typo |
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