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Post by longislanditalian2 on Dec 11, 2006 11:30:23 GMT -5
I think Scotty meant by saying about marriage might not be in the cards for the two of them. He was meaning that they might not find their true love but they will always have each other in friendship.
Lilly does know that he has been there for her always, protecting and caring. She was more playful and smiled more around him knowing that she can trust him. That in every bad relationship Lilly's ever had there was always one person that stood by her side.
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Post by TVFan on Dec 11, 2006 12:16:55 GMT -5
This episode reminded me so much of S1. Lilly wasn't in every scene, but she was in all of the good ones. She got to do all of the important interrogations, she got to travel to TN, and she's the one who caught Scotty red-handed. If last season was all about Lil being on the brink of an emotional breakdown, then this one is about her finding her own inner happiness. She has been through an amazing metamorphosis over the course of the show, but I think that this latest stage is my favorite. She's more content, as witnessed in her ability to joke with Scotty and yet reflect on her own personal life at the same time. Sure, it was a somber moment between the two when they realized that marriage may not be in the cards, but Lilly seemed to be at peace with it, unlike how we saw her as Joseph exited her life. We've seen this more content side since "Lonely Hearts." She seemed at ease, and she was able to open up a bit about her past in Knoxville. Excellent (and believable) character development.  I'm really enjoying falling in love with show all over again this season. |
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Post by Naj on Dec 11, 2006 13:48:34 GMT -5
Never thought of that. Maybe there is a tie. The only thing missing was Lilly doing karoke or singing on stage. Still haven't gotten that one!  |
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Post by LillyKat on Dec 11, 2006 14:23:57 GMT -5
Will chime in for this episode ... I was surprised I enjoyed this ep so much. I fully admit I was kind of dreading it after a) hearing it was the one-artist ep; b) it was Tim McGraw as the artist (am not a country fan); 3) Meredith wrote it (no offense to her, but after last season's "8 Years" - which for me was rather drab and played like one big, giant Bruce Springsteen video - I was hoping she would not go the let-lyrics-tell-the-story route). And she didn't. I really got into the actual music angle of the story - that is, the band of brothers, trying to make it in the business, sticking to your loyalties even when tempted for glitz and glory. I related to this, and I thought all three "cowboys" were believable without being overly stereotyped (a risk, sometimes, with storylines such as this). Truck Sugar - got to love that name - was again (like last week's Coop) a stand-up guy who, in the end, was not afraid to be who he was and do the right thing. Personal highlights was the entire exchange between Lilly and Scotty in the hallway of the hotel. It was nice to see them come full-circle with their relationship after the nightmare and debacle with Lilly's sister; they seemed to actually get back to being the way they were BEFORE the Christina tornado occurred. The two of them do really get along, they do really work well together, and they do really care about each other in a non-shipper way. The fact they got back to their bantering was refreshing. I think there has been a long, drawn out and inordinate amount of tension between the two of them that just needed to ... well, get over itself and move on. I believe we saw that begin last year with Scotty's understanding of Lilly in "Joseph," and it was nice to see them truly get back to the way they were in Season 1. I am a big believer in the show continuing to weave personal elements into the storylines (even if they are not centered around Lilly) because it shows these folks are human, personable, and have something other than their jobs to show us who they are. All in all, there were some priceless touches throughout the episode: Lilly and "Big Daddy"; Lilly and Charlene; Lilly being Season 1 Lilly (I thought). And, I believe Kat is 2-for-2 on lines of the season thus far ("Tennessee ... isn't that a red state?"). I also loved the down-home, warm and fuzzy version of the TN police station as compared to the lonely barren version of PPD - with Stillman and the little give-a-Xmas-tree-a-home routine (complete with two ornaments - or were there 3?) LOL! All in all, great ep. Meredith proved me wrong, and I'm glad. |
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Post by Naj on Dec 11, 2006 16:08:08 GMT -5
LillyKat, As always very insightful posts. I agree I was cringing that Meredith wrote another one artist episode (since it made my "worst of" list last season) but she incorporated many themes as I mentioned in my first post. I was delighted and I didn't even mind it was an all one artist ep. At first I thought two people had to go with Stillman to Tennessee. I was surprised to learn he stayed in Philly. I thought the Jeffries sub plot went well with the spirit of the season and how Stillman was kinda playing Santa Claus with Jeffries' old partner and how Jeffries heart won him over after he learned why his partner had never worked over time. It was touching. This was just a great little episode. |
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Post by morwenna16 on Dec 11, 2006 16:38:34 GMT -5
I liked this episode very much. Even though I like a lot of classic country music, I've never heard much Tim McGraw, so I was a bit apprehensive. But I ended up really liking his music, especially the closing song. I thought there was a nice theme in the episode about not rushing to judgment that made Lilly and Scotty's trip down South fit together with Jeffries' storyline with his old partner nicely. I teared up when Jeffries handed him the box, even though I knew it was coming. This show always gets me like that. I'm glad that Lilly and Scotty ended up having a lot of fun and their scene in the hotel was just fantastic, as everyone has said. My parents are both Southern and I appreciated that the Southern characters were treated with respect. The bandmates were all distinctive characters, not caricatures, and Big Daddy was clearly a good cop. I didn't even find the names farfetched, I know a father and son named Big Sugar and Little Sugar. I liked Truck very much, he was a great character and pretty easy on the eyes too. |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Dec 12, 2006 10:54:11 GMT -5
During the hotel hallway scene, I caught the the fire exit sign was on the floor next to where Lilly is standing? Could this be a goof or bad prop work?
One more thing, Lilly was holding a candy bar in her hand while talking to Scotty
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Post by riche on Dec 12, 2006 14:37:47 GMT -5
During the hotel hallway scene, I caught the the fire exit sign was on the floor next to where Lilly is standing? Could this be a goof or bad prop work? Neither, I think that is a genuine Fire Exit sign, in a genuine hotel, and that is where it is supposed to be. It's not something I've seen before but it makes sense. In the event of a fire and you are in a smoke filled corridor the sign will be more visible at floor level than at ceiling level. This episode did not get off to a good start for me, not being a fan of either kind of music: country or western The story grew on me though. I liked the hotel scene like most of you did. Not keen on the extra red lipstick though (Lilly not Scotty), rather odd as Lil was obviously getting ready for bed. There was more than in the earlier scene at the ranch. Lil/KM is pale enough and that just made her appear more so. The "alright with that little sister?"/"I'm alright with that Big Daddy" lines verged on pure comedy. If he'd "countried" it up a little with an "lil' sister" (lil, Lilly geddit? never mind) it would have been even funnier. I didn't understand the final prison scene. At the beginning Kylie, in prison for shooting soon-to-be-ex Mitch, names him as a likely "doer". He's none too pleased about that. And at the end they are reconciled? Uh? Are we witnessing the beginning of a Cold Case franchise ala CSI. Cold Case: Tennessee? CC: Y’all come back now, ya hear? Big Daddy and Charlene solving cattle rustling cases from the 1940s. Charlene wondering if Scotty will be coming back. A woman and her chocolate....  |
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Post by TVFan on Dec 12, 2006 16:59:02 GMT -5
Excellent point Morwenna16! I hadn't even thought about that, but you're right. This show always does a nice job of presenting parallel story lines. You took the words out of my mouth here, Morwenna (except for the southern parents bit ). I'm from the North, but lived in Georgia for 4 years of college and then 4 years after college, and I didn't find any of the episode offensive or too caricature-like. I know that the media are criticizing this episode for that HERE and HERE, but I think that they're way off. I'm glad to see someone else with a southern connection who agrees. For the record, my born and raised in the South husband thought that the episode highlighted the good-hearted nature of his "people." |
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Post by canuckiepen on Dec 12, 2006 22:43:45 GMT -5
Can't beat that southern hospitality, eh? Looks like Scotty got dished up with big helpings, haha.
Love that Big Daddy thing too with Lilly. Nice that everyone was having fun in a bar at the end.
Lilly & Scotty shoulda went sooner; they were relaxed, letting their hair down. Lilly's hair has been down for a while, but this is 1st time we really see figuratively and literally. Woo hoo!
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Dec 13, 2006 11:54:13 GMT -5
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Post by LillyKat on Dec 13, 2006 13:13:32 GMT -5
You took the words out of my mouth here, Morwenna (except for the southern parents bit ). I'm from the North, but lived in Georgia for 4 years of college and then 4 years after college, and I didn't find any of the episode offensive or too caricature-like. I know that the media are criticizing this episode for that HERE and HERE, but I think that they're way off. I'm glad to see someone else with a southern connection who agrees. For the record, my born and raised in the South husband thought that the episode highlighted the good-hearted nature of his "people." and Morwenna: I'm so glad to hear you both did not find the episode to play on Southern stereotypes, etc. as some of these articles are suggesting (and of which I disagree with completely). Although I don't have any direct connections to the South, I can say that I have seen far worse fictional portrayals of Southern characters in a variety of television shows and films. Additionally, I admit that I live in an area of the country where we have been "put on the map" (as it were) with shows: The OC; Laguna Beach: The Real Orange County; The Real Housewives of Orange County. In the old days, we were always the step-child of Los Angeles, the joke of, "Orange County? Where is that?". LOL! I moved down here from Los Angeles in 1980, and I strongly dislike ALL of these shows - especially Housewives - as none has helped suggest Orange County is anything like its original self, and instead, we all drive around in Mercedes and Porsches and Hummers, live in mansions, make six-figure incomes, spend money like it grows on trees ... No. We all do NOT do that. Not to mention there is a big difference between North Orange County (more working/middle class) and South Orange County (middle-to-upper class/wealthy - and where ALL of these shows are set). It's funny, now, to remember when there was NOTHING down here in th 60s and 70s - you had pretty vast landscapes of rolling hills and orange groves (yes, hence "Orange County"). And even in 1980, we were almost like an outpost (aside from the established major cities). Times change, areas get developed, etc., most of which is the ebb and flow of life and generally a good thing (give or take those moments of, "I wish it was like it was in the old days"). LOL! But, I think because I live in the area, I take shows trying to use this area as a backdrop more personally than if I was watching it from another part of the country. So, perhaps the criticism coming from some of the media (especially TN based) may be more personal than it should be for this episode. LillyKat, As always very insightful posts. I agree I was cringing that Meredith wrote another one artist episode (since it made my "worst of" list last season) but she incorporated many themes as I mentioned in my first post. I was delighted and I didn't even mind it was an all one artist ep. At first I thought two people had to go with Stillman to Tennessee. I was surprised to learn he stayed in Philly. I thought the Jeffries sub plot went well with the spirit of the season and how Stillman was kinda playing Santa Claus with Jeffries' old partner and how Jeffries heart won him over after he learned why his partner had never worked over time. It was touching. This was just a great little episode. Hi Naj ...  ... am glad you liked this one, too, as I know we both really, really disliked 8 Years. I did also enjoy (as other folks have mentioned) the Jeffries sub-plot, too. Jeffries is, I think, always a good guy at heart, so ... to see him turn around and forgive his old partner ... just shows what kind of character he has. |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Dec 13, 2006 13:38:43 GMT -5
Getting back to what Scotty had said to Lilly out in the hotel hallway. That even though that each of their own love life isn't there and that it's just not in the cards for them, that they simply cannot find the one for them. Their friendship is the only thing that has remained strong.
Lilly does look a little sad thinking about never having a family, but I don't think Scotty was quite Lying for just babbling. For once I think he was quite serious about it. Both of them realize that they have also had each other to in the good time and the bad.
Scotty was by her side in the S3 Finale supporting and understand her. But the most thing that I saw was their own ablility to understand each other. Sure things haven't always been roses but what friendship is??
As for the headache part, he wanted to go one but he simply decided to shut his house, thus using that as an excuse. Lilly seemed very comfortable opening up, she has learned that she can in fact trust someone.
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Post by pinkturtle on Dec 13, 2006 15:38:08 GMT -5
Thx for posting the Lilly/Scotty scene! I absolutely adore it.
LG, PT
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Dec 14, 2006 2:12:03 GMT -5
here's something I noticed.
Traditionally in tv or the movies, the person wearing the white cowboy hat was the good guy, while the person wearing the black hat was the bad guy.
In this episode it was the killer (name escapes my mind) who's wearing the white hat, while Truck Sugar was wearing a black hat.
Perhaps just showing that cold case can take the usual symbolic stereotype and toss it completely out the window.
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Post by eurache on Dec 14, 2006 7:54:14 GMT -5
Dusty was his character name in this episode that was wear the white hat. Dayum.. ya right I missed that  So Boxman, what ya think? Black hat for a good guy and white hat for the bad guy. Was TPTB testing us to see if we would catch that?  |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Dec 14, 2006 7:59:50 GMT -5
oh wait that wasn't a candy bar in Lilly' s hand she was holding a bag of skittles. Just thought I'd share that with ya
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Post by TVFan on Dec 14, 2006 20:16:51 GMT -5
LillyKat - I completely understand what you're saying, and I think you're right about the newspaper. Nobody ever feels that their "area" is portrayed well by Hollywood. I guess that's just a part of living somewhere. I've been offended by things in the past that I felt were unfair to where ever I was living at the time (especially the South). I felt like the more stereotypical elements of this episode (Big Daddy, festive eggnog, etc) were over-exaggerated enough to show that the episode was poking fun at the Hollywood stereotypes, and not the actual people of this region. But, I think a lot of people missed that and only saw the exaggerated stuff. As usual, though, those that didn't like it are more prone to being vocal about it, so it's hard to know how it was received overall by the South. I will say that Mr. TVFan offends easily when it comes to his South, and he wasn't the least bit offended. I any event, I loved the episode and the hotel scene is one of the series' best ever.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Dec 14, 2006 20:20:12 GMT -5
Did anyone catch Lilly petting the horse as they were both interviewing Honey?? TVFan- I do agree with you about the hotel scene it is one of the best of this series |
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Dec 15, 2006 16:20:28 GMT -5
I also understand the whole stereotyping of an area thing. One show that's notorious for doing this is Dateline. I watched an episode about some killer here in New Mexico, and the way they described New Mexico made it sound like, -
once you step onto the barren desert of New Mexico with it's harsh winds, you must be careful lest you be attacked by a group of rattlesnakes.
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So Boxman, what ya think? Black hat for a good guy and white hat for the bad guy. 
