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Post by irishkale on Apr 7, 2009 11:12:39 GMT -5
THE TEAM INVESTIGATES THE 1999 MURDER CASE OF A 23-YEAR-OLD CUBAN REFUGEE WHO WAS ON HIS WAY TO BECOMING A MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL PLAYER, ON "COLD CASE," SUNDAY, APRIL 12 Shalim Ortiz ("Heroes"), Two-Time Golden Globe Nominee and SAG Winner Steven Bauer ("Scarface," "Traffic") and Darius McCrary ("Family Matters") Guest Star as the Slain Player and Two Suspects with Separate Ties to the Victim Series Star Danny Pino Co-Wrote the Episode "Stealing Home" - The team looks into the murder of a former Cuban baseball star who escaped to the U.S. to provide for his family after the Cuban government fired him for talking to a U.S. sports agent. Meanwhile, the team plays their annual softball game, on COLD CASE, Sunday, April 12 (9:00-10:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. SERIES REGULARS: Lilly Rush: Kathryn Morris Scotty Valens: Danny Pino Lt. John Stillman: John Finn Nick Vera: Jeremy Ratchford Will Jeffries: Thom Barry Kat Miller: Tracie Thoms GUEST CAST: Gonzalo Luque: Shalim Ortiz Osmany "Oz" Leon: Steven Bauer Eric "Showtime" Hynes: Darius McCrary Piedad Luque: Silvana Arias Jaime Reyes: Nestor Serrano Juan De La Cruz: Oscar Torre Marisol Acosta: Valery M. Ortiz Eddie St. John: Bambadjan Bamba Steve Scarcelli: Dominic Pace Clifford: Grant Monohon Reporter: Marcus DeAnda WRITTEN BY: Danny Pino, one of the series' stars, and Elwood Reid, one of the series' producers DIRECTED BY: Kevin Bray Please keep in mind proper "Netiquette"! coldcase2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=rules&action=display&thread=5590 |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Apr 12, 2009 20:07:03 GMT -5
Will be Delayed, due to sports
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Post by eduardodelroice on Apr 12, 2009 20:21:40 GMT -5
Will be Delayed, due to sports I hate when it does not start on time  |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Apr 12, 2009 21:38:06 GMT -5
I wasn't thrilled at all, I mainly found it to be not as interesting. Though Danny Pino co-wrote it, It just didn't stack up to my interest. They could have shown more of the PPD baseball game; and what's the deal with the makeup artist's messing up Lilly's makeup again. She looks awful!! Side note; Vera was pretty funny. Got to love him though  Again we're back with the Vera/ Kat Bantering again. Lilly saying about throwing like a girl; that's got to be a reference to KM herself; she did mention once that she can't even catch a ball.. |
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Post by coldboneslove398 on Apr 12, 2009 21:40:17 GMT -5
Will be Delayed, due to sports It was delayed due to frakking stupid reality show, "Amazing Race". Man....Great episode. I'm rating this one as one of the season's best. They always do these immigration episodes quite well. It was very interesting to see Danny Pino talk about his heritage through his character, Scotty Valens. I loved the part about the Cubans and a good bottle of wine in the refrigerator that they will never open until they are free from Castro. I really loved this episode ;D. It pulls at your heartstrings. From beginning to end, it was edited perfectly. Especially the part with the raft and wet foot/dry foot rule. |
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Post by boxman on Apr 12, 2009 22:19:52 GMT -5
...It was very interesting to see Danny Pino talk about his heritage through his character, Scotty Valens. Yup! I couldn't say it any better that you just did! I always get a little skeptical whenever I see someone who is not a writer come up with a story for an episode out of a fear that it might not have a certain complexity or depth I like seeing. And in this episode, Danny's Cuban heritage definitely brought that depth into the story. Very nice touches with the bottle of champagne waiting in the fridge, the joking around about Scotty's half-Cuban/half-Puerto Rican ancestry, and the general story of the struggle of Cuban-Americans. I really liked the opening scenes and how many times they cut back-and-forth between being on the Florida beach and being on the ball field. The filming and editing was done really well! I also liked how much Spanish was spoken in the episode, and wish they would have done more of it. In bilingual TV episodes and movies like this, Hollywood usually have foreigners speak in English with an accent. I would've really liked to have heard Gonzalo and Oz, and Gonzalo and Reyes all arguing in Spanish in this episode. Of course, I would've had to read the subtitles because I don't understand a single word of Spanish, but I really would not have minded at all!  As an aside, the guy that sits next to me at work is Puerto Rican, and I am helping him and his dad convert their vinyl records from the 1970s into MP3s. I'm having a blast listening to their music! Again, I don't understand a single word of it but I still enjoy it anyways. |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Apr 13, 2009 0:25:25 GMT -5
@lii2: I think It was OK they did not show a lot about the game.
Lilly's make up? She's not Giselle Bundchen or something. Make up is not too important for her
@cbl: I knew there were gonna be Anti Communist messages... I know I know this is a bit too personal since I'm a Communist but they could have said some of the good things of the communist government but anyway...
boxman: Puerto Rican's music from 1970's GOOD
you like Spanish! It's so easy to learn! Ideas I wrote while I watched the episode
The Initial opening song mentioned Elegua
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elegua
flashback not the year of the murder
Vera 
anti cuban goverment remarks... hmmmm
cuban spanish accent
that cousin... looks bad guy
More anti Communist remarks? the opressor? what was Bush then?
Imperialista/Traidor? give me a break
LILLY FUNNY!!! LOL The face she had when they spoke Spanish was priceless and the "hello, chicos, gringa" wawawaw
I hated the agent!!!! Washing his hands after he gave it to Will... Hated it! and I don't even know if he's the killer, Stillman noticed
Cuban salsa, oh yeah
That girl, Marisol, has an odd accent "olvidate d'eso que yo quiero bailal" Odd accent
Vera playing!
No no no Piedad had someone else!
very good detail with the color skin
more Cuban Spanish
Vera/Kat
Kat strong woman
Lilly professional in Chess
Cuban old salsa!
I knew that agent was nasty! I hate him now more!
More anti communist remarks---
I knew the cousin had something to do with it
Danny Pino good acting! but more anti communist remarks
Juan Dramatic!
Accidental & dramatic death
They used a song in Spanish for the end!!!(Vida mas simple: Nil Lara)
Good ending!!! the team playing
The wife saw Gonzalo  CONCLUSIONS
1. NO QUESTIONS!
2. Rated as excellent. Loved everything except that agent Reyes, the fact the wife saw Gonzalo(Scotty had personal ties to the victim) and especially all the anti communist remarks
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Post by coldfan74 on Apr 13, 2009 0:58:26 GMT -5
Twas ok. I saw this more as a Law and Order-esque episode. I didnt really feel this was Cold Case.
And I did like the storyline but for whatever reason I couldnt feel connected with the characters. Being a first generation american and also growing up with a lot of hispanics around me, still this episode lost something.
I can't say I hate it because I did like the story,
I will admit tho if the producers continue with each episode waning from it's original roots..i think Cold Case will see it's final run and I wouldn't object. I rather it end with high marks.
The earlier seasons from 1-3 were great years in my opinion but lately i think this show has lost something.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Apr 13, 2009 1:03:45 GMT -5
@coldfan_ its because of the new writers
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Post by mitchy on Apr 13, 2009 2:11:08 GMT -5
I was looking forward to this episode and it didn't disappoint! From the excellent opening, with Gonzalez imagining himself on the ball park , using that to get past the police, to the heartbreaking closing shot of the bottle of champagne in Scotty's fridge, I thought the episode hit a lot of high notes. Some great non-case related team interaction, with the PFD V PPD baseball game. Great Kat/Vera snark and the bit where Kat snaps Vera's pencil had me giggling out loud. Vera trashing the room with the bat and subsequent batting attempts was hilarious but he got the last laugh at the game Another show that showed minimal flashbacks (cost cutting, possibly?) but what they showed was effective. I really felt for the victim and the doer this time - both tried so hard to change their lives, both came up short. Lovely, lovely touch at the end with Gonzalez's son stealing home with his mother watching, just before she see's Gonzalez's ghost. I maaaaay have sniffled a lil' at that So yeh, excellent episode, nicely done CC! |
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Post by ali on Apr 13, 2009 6:06:00 GMT -5
I rated it as good (but, actually, it's a bit more than "good" but a bit less than "excellent" ;D). Like coldfan74, I didn't feel this was a real Cold Case, but all the same I liked it. The opening was excellent, and I think Gonzalo is one of the best characters in this season. Vera was funny, and Kat surprised me: what a girl! Too much predictable Scotty's involvement, so I didn't surprised when he talked about is origins and his father, but Danny Pino played very well, and I didn't bored. Predictable were also the anti-communist remarks, that bothered me, not because I'm communist (I am a sort of it, too much complicated to explain), but for a defect that often occurs in American movies: the anti-historical opposition between good and evil (in this instance the evil is communism; disputable, but understandable). This matter rarely happen in Cold Case, and this is one of the reasons why I like this show. I loved musics, and also the baseball game in the end (or softball...what's the difference  ): Lilly was beautifull, and wasn't Stillman the one with sunglasses?  |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Apr 13, 2009 7:39:37 GMT -5
Predictable were also the anti-communist remarks, that bothered me, not because I'm communist (I am a sort of it, too much complicated to explain), but for a defect that often occurs in American movies: the anti-historical opposition between good and evil (in this instance the evil is communism; disputable, but understandable). This matter rarely happen in Cold Case, and this is one of the reasons why I like this show. I knew this was going to happen but I don't blame Cold Case. Cold Case did a wonderful & non-appreciated episode in Season 2(Red Glare). Now, that I analyzed, the issue was not really with communism but with Castro that, if you're communist as me, understand that is not really 100% communism but a kind of tirany sometimes
Another show that showed minimal flashbacks (cost cutting, possibly?) Minimal flashbacks? I saw them normally: could you please explain? i think Cold Case will see it's final run and I wouldn't object. I rather it end with high marks. The earlier seasons from 1-3 were great years in my opinion but lately i think this show has lost something. I will try to maintain Netiquette with the same old ****** cliche that previous seasons were better 1.We don't have the same writers & producers 2. It's normal shows change in the pass of time. Few shows(like NCIS) go up in ratings. CSI and even The Mentalist dont have the same quality they have when they started (and CSI has done a mini soap opera to go up in ratings) 3. What was better then? If you REALLY analyze the complain It was because Lilly was stronger because Lilly, Lilly and Lilly... People liked that sort of soap opera. I have watched EVERY single episode of Cold Case, I watch reruns all the time and I can mention LOTS of (not bad but not excellent) cases along those seasons and even more I consider the third season to be the worst(even If It had excellent episodes too). 4. Back then the show was new, so we could not compare seasons. So, in the end I feel that some people just got tired of the formula instead of really Cold Case or if you wanna see a soap opera then just go and watch General Hospital or Without a Trace. IDK, I just needed to express the same old cliche Well... However I still laugh with the Lilly's line: "Hello chicos, Gringa" hahahahahaha |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Apr 13, 2009 7:44:19 GMT -5
The show's storyline revolves around Lilly, she is the main character in the story. I had a hard time believing about the victim's son; he looks too young for what his age is supposed to be ( 11), since he was probably born in 1998.
The music probably wasn't puerto rican but Cuban, I think.
No episode next week, we don't get a new CC episode until the following. AS for the episode, I'l rewatch the episode.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Apr 13, 2009 7:54:34 GMT -5
The music probably wasn't puerto rican but Cuban, I think. I know the music was Cuban. I was talking with boxman about the 70's Puerto Rican music he had listened to. The singer for the final song Nil Lara was born in NJ. His parents are from Cuba. I can't believe they used a song in Spanish in the end. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nil_LaraMy native language is Spanish and sometimes I could not understand what they said because a different Spanish is spoken in Cuba since they're almost isolated from the rest of Latin America. And this girl, Marisol, has the worse accent |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Apr 13, 2009 8:15:43 GMT -5
What was referring ot was the musicans's all had a Cuban background or descent...
The baby girl reference to Kat reminded me of " 8:03am", with one of her CI's from when she was in Narcatics .
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Post by eduardodelroice on Apr 13, 2009 8:21:54 GMT -5
I loved Kat Miller too |
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Post by coldboneslove398 on Apr 13, 2009 8:27:21 GMT -5
However I still laugh with the Lilly's line: "Hello chicos, Gringa" hahahahahaha Agreed ;D. Best line of the night ever. I really loved that whole entire Spanish conversation between Scotty and the cousin. Although, I could not keep up with the Spanish entirely since some of it was Cuban-Spanish. Predictable were also the anti-communist remarks, that bothered me, not because I'm communist (I am a sort of it, too much complicated to explain), but for a defect that often occurs in American movies: the anti-historical opposition between good and evil (in this instance the evil is communism; disputable, but understandable). Like Eduardo has said, it wasn't about Communism. It was about Castro's Totalitarian(Dictatorship, whatever you want to call it) State. Communism, in its purest ideological form, is a perfect idea for a Utopian society. However, it will never be the Communism that Marx or Engel believed in because of the Human element(Greed, Power, Ego, etc.). We will never have a Utopia. Life is meant to be filled with sorrow, bloodshed, obstacles, etc. It's kind of what makes success become so much more sweeter in the end when you survive those type of things. also the baseball game in the end (or softball...what's the difference Softball is a girl's version of Baseball, but instead of throwing overhand, you do a windmill pitch and you throw underhand. Also, the ball is also much bigger than your typical baseball. But, you shouldn't kid yourself by the name of the ball because it is far beyond soft when it hits you . It hurts like a b!tch when you get hit by a softball. |
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Post by ali on Apr 13, 2009 8:33:54 GMT -5
Predictable were also the anti-communist remarks, that bothered me, not because I'm communist (I am a sort of it, too much complicated to explain), but for a defect that often occurs in American movies: the anti-historical opposition between good and evil (in this instance the evil is communism; disputable, but understandable). This matter rarely happen in Cold Case, and this is one of the reasons why I like this show. I knew this was going to happen but I don't blame Cold Case. Cold Case did a wonderful & non-appreciated episode in Season 2(Red Glare). Now, that I analyzed, the issue was not really with communism but with Castro that, if you're communist as me, understand that is not really 100% communism but a kind of tirany sometimes
No no no, what I meant wasn't about the anti-communism (I hate whatever is dictatorship), and politics matter didn't annoyed me: what I dispute is the tendency in American cinema to see those things as an opposition between good and evil, which is something I don't understand. I say that because it rarely happens in Cold Case, so the exeption is more clear. That's all. I forgot to talk about the cuban accent...this is the first episode I didn't rewatch to understand all the dialogs: English is very easy with a spanish accent! Softball is a girl's version of Baseball, but instead of throwing overhand, you do a windmill pitch and you throw underhand. Also, the ball is also much bigger than your typical baseball. But, you shouldn't kid yourself by the name of the ball because it is far beyond soft when it hits you . It hurts like a b!tch when you get hit by a softball. Thankyou |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Apr 13, 2009 8:34:56 GMT -5
What I liked was how sarcastic Lilly was about baseball and how she was at the end, you know jumping on Vera. The chess move was an indirect reference to Lilly's dad. Seems like she has a love for the game as well. |
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Post by coldboneslove398 on Apr 13, 2009 8:39:47 GMT -5
What I liked was how sarcastic Lilly was about baseball and how she was at the end, you know jumping on Vera. That part was funny as well ;D Vera: Throw like a girl? Kat: You dance like a white guy? Vera: Alternate, bench. Vera: Can you catch? Lilly: Not so much. Vera: You're our catcher. hahaha xD |
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Again we're back with the Vera/ Kat Bantering again. Lilly saying about throwing like a girl; that's got to be a reference to KM herself; she did mention once that she can't even catch a ball..
): Lilly was beautifull, and wasn't Stillman the one with sunglasses? 
