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Post by irishkale on Mar 26, 2009 2:37:07 GMT -5
THE TEAM REOPENS THE 1958 MURDER CASE OF A SUAVE AND SUCCESSFUL NEWLYWED REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER WHEN NEW EVIDENCE INDICATES HE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN KILLED WHERE HIS BODY WAS FOUND, ON "COLD CASE," SUNDAY, MARCH 29
Johnathon Schaech ("That Thing You Do!"), Constance Towers ("General Hospital," "A Perfect Murder") and Ken Howard ("The White Shadow," "Crossing Jordan") Guest Star as the Victim, His Wife and His Affluent Boss/Father-in-Law
Hattie Winston ("Becker," "The Electric Company") Also Guest Stars as a Woman With a Long-Kept Secret Connection to the Victim
"Libertyville" - The team investigates the 1958 murder case of a newlywed Ivy League graduate who spearheaded the lucrative concept of developing suburban communities with affordable housing outside of Philadelphia, and Lilly makes time to dine with her father, on COLD CASE, Sunday, March 29 (9:00-10:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.
SERIES REGULARS:
Lilly Rush: Kathryn Morris
Scotty Valens: Danny Pino
Lt. John Stillman: John Finn
Nick Vera: Jeremy Ratchford
Will Jeffries: Thom Barry
Kat Miller: Tracie Thoms
RECURRING CAST :
Paul Cooper: Raymond J. Barry
GUEST CAST:
Julian Bellowes (1949, 1958): Johnathon Schaech
Harry Kemp Jr. (1958): Ken Howard
Caroline Kemp/Bellowes (1958): Alexandra Holden
Caroline Kemp/Bellowes (2009): Constance Towers
Joy Bellowes (2009): Deborah Geffner
Paul Cooper (1976): Brant Cotton
Lilly Rush (1976): Makenna Barrett
Harrison Kemp (1958): Sam Littlefield
Harry Kemp Jr. (2009): Harve Presnell
Paul Romano (1958): David Arrigotti
Paul Romano (2009): John Aprea
Angelo Romano (1958): Ron Gilbert
Joan Rasky (1958): Claire Titelman
Joan Rasky (2009): Phoebe Dorin
Casey Hollenbeck (1958): Lukus Grace
Regina Reynolds (1958): Erica Ash
Regina Reynolds (2009): Hattie Winston
George Watson (1948, 1958): Brian Hooks
George Watson (2009): Richard Gant
Mary Chisolm (2009): Lynn Hamilton
Corporal Clerk (1949): Zach McGowan
WRITTEN BY: Kathy Ebel
DIRECTED BY: Marcos Siega
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 29, 2009 19:40:43 GMT -5
Will be delayed until 9:25pm, due to game
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Post by irishkale on Mar 29, 2009 20:17:43 GMT -5
Thanks Li2! I'm in the West, so I never get alerted to the delays!  |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 29, 2009 21:18:10 GMT -5
I didn't really care too much for this episode, the homes reminded me of " Levittown" which was built in the 50's in NY. The homes in Libertyville were a lot like that.
We were supposed to see a flashback of young Lilly but that was cut; except at the end. I have a feeling that scene of her and her father back then were cut like in " The good Death"; double bummer.
The episode really didn't do much for me, I found myself sleeping through it.
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Post by Electrophile on Mar 29, 2009 21:23:35 GMT -5
I voted this episode as "excellent". I really, really liked it and thought that it presented different arc than we've seen in other episodes dealing with similar subject matter. If I was Julian in that time and in that place, I don't know what I would have done if confronted with a similar choice. Knowing that the things I wanted in life were out of my reach because of the color of my skin would crush me. I can sympathize with his decision to take that choice. I think sometimes we're all faced with decisions that are no-win even if they look like win-win at first glance.
I also felt for George, because getting that close to the brass ring and having it yanked away like that can devastate more than words can really convey. That doesn't mean he should have killed Julian......Julian was trying to make peace with his choices the best way he knew how, and that was allowing black families to move into Libertyville.
I also liked the scenes between Lilly and her father. I think slowly but surely, that arc is coming around. I felt that earlier sequences were too frosty (save the one in Officer Down) and it was nice to see her making an attempt at getting closer to him. Maybe at this stage of her life, she realizes she needs family around her. Either way, it was good to see.....especially that little flashblack during the ending of a young Lilly playing chess with her father. I thought that was a nice little moment.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 29, 2009 21:25:01 GMT -5
I was getting the feeling that there was supposed to be more of that scene with Lilly and her father. The bike thing, perhaps Cooper did buy her that bike. Hearing that Lilly's mom was so sad; perhaps him leaving caused her to feel that way. I did like the dinner scene, Little Lilly was so cute!!
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Post by Electrophile on Mar 29, 2009 21:32:09 GMT -5
I don't think there was. I think it's obvious he bought the bike for her (body language and non-verbal clues ahoy), but just because we knew there would be a young Lilly cast in this episode doesn't necessarily mean there was a huge scene planned.
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Post by boxman on Mar 29, 2009 22:06:42 GMT -5
...the homes reminded me of " Levittown" which was built in the 50's in NY. The homes in Libertyville were a lot like that... The Philly area has it's own "Levittown" too! Levitt & Sons built their second "Levittown" to the northeast of Philly (up I-95) right after he made that first one on Long Island: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levittown,_Pennsylvania  I really liked this episode and thought there was a really great backstory about Julian that was unfolded in the flashbacks. The scene with Julian and Harry Jr. in the car made me wonder about Christina and if she's ever going to return to Philly to see her sister and father... |
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Post by coldfan74 on Mar 29, 2009 22:06:45 GMT -5
i agree with electrophile. i rate this an excellent because its definitely an episode that touches a personal subject about human conflict (racial) that sort of messes with your head.
i wouldnt say its the best because this type of theme has been used a lot throughout the series...but this story had meat in its bones.
i think every non-caucasian can relate to george's resentment and pride at some level. it's tragic at every sense
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Post by eduardodelroice on Mar 29, 2009 23:15:57 GMT -5
I really liked this episode and thought there was a really great backstory about Julian that was unfolded in the flashbacks. The scene with Julian and Harry Jr. in the car made me wonder about Christina and if she's ever going to return to Philly to see her sister and father... We still don't know if Christina is Cooper's daughther |
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Post by Electrophile on Mar 29, 2009 23:55:24 GMT -5
I wasn't aware that was unknown. She's Lilly's sister, and as far as we know, their mother didn't remarry.....so there's absolutely nothing wrong with assuming that Lilly's father is Christina's father.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Mar 30, 2009 1:16:55 GMT -5
I don't know if to vote by Excellent or Best of the season First notes and then questions 1-The family saw the victim  Why not a detective 2-The final meeting was flawless 3-No personal drama(Just Lilly with her dad but not too much) 4- Excellent final song that fits into the plot 5-Killing with motive! 6-They did not show the murder moment... That's kind of dramatic and not always happens on Cold Case 7-Will saying he would be cured doing his job and his interview  8-In this episode we knew the victim! Not like in the past episode 9-50's music 10-Not as old as I would like but finally a middle age case 11-Excellent directing! The flashbacks were excellent 12-The adult Virginia was excellent! 13-The moment where Virginia said... He was my brother! 14-The moment Virginia went to Julian's office 15-Loved the secretary! 16-A Lot of people missing in the final montage: Harry. Paul, the secretary... MILLER!!! 17-Lilly's bike: finally continuity here because she talked about her bike in the episode 3x16 One Night QUESTIONS PLEASE
1-Why would they keep the glasses? That was kind of unrealistic
2-What was the issue with the statement? Why there was an issue that a statement was not published?
3-What exactly was the deal That Julian made with the Romanos?
4-I did not get what exactly Virginia meant saying her mother was a creo? I mean, My mom is white and my dad is black... How was possible for Julian to be white if both parents were black?
5-What was going on with Lilly's story? about the chess, about the bike, about Christmas, about not having money for presents?
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 30, 2009 7:34:23 GMT -5
I really didn't pay attention to the restm the episode kind of stunk for me.
1. The glasses were hidden all these years, in that cabinet; buried beneath. so no one could find it.
4. There is a part of haiti that is called Haition Creo; it's basically a mix. You can have black parents and be faired skin, from what I understand it has to something to do with genes.
5. As you know Lilly's family was poor, chess was always her father's favorite game. These were all just part of conversation, nothing too worth getting into. They basically just were having a " Light Conversation".
At least it wasn't like the scene in " BLF", therefore there wasn't any drama or fights. Cooper just wanted to just have dinner with her, and didn't need another excuse unlike Ellen. Both him and Lilly seem to have a really good relationship.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Mar 30, 2009 8:01:55 GMT -5
Thanks LII2
Btw, I just thought any other person would throw away the glasses and not keep them
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 30, 2009 8:20:45 GMT -5
Nope, it was in the air ducts so no one could find them.
The scene where L and S found the glasses were a clip that Kathryn had on when she appeared on Regis; earlier last week.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 30, 2009 8:30:20 GMT -5
Sorry for double posting, here's the answer to your number 2 question Eduardo
2. Julian said that his company would pay the man's cut on their bills in town, in exchange for complete control of profits in summertynn
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Post by eduardodelroice on Mar 30, 2009 9:18:18 GMT -5
Nope, it was in the air ducts so no one could find them. The scene where L and S found the glasses were a clip that Kathryn had on when she appeared on Regis; earlier last week. yes! I recognized it! Sorry for double posting, here's the answer to your number 2 question Eduardo 2. Julian said that his company would pay the man's cut on their bills in town, in exchange for complete control of profits in summertynn Thanks LII2 |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 30, 2009 9:30:46 GMT -5
Notice how everything in the conversation between Lilly and her father was positive; not an ounce of negetive? Or any resentment of her having dinner with him? It seems as if she seemed pleased to have him around again
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Post by eduardodelroice on Mar 30, 2009 9:44:44 GMT -5
yes... there was good energy
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Post by ali on Mar 30, 2009 10:47:45 GMT -5
I rated it OK.
The story was interesting, but the "black who looks like a white" thing was already used in 3x05 Colors: there's nothing original.
I liked the scene between Lilly and her father at the restaurant, and also the final flashback playing chess: it's only a very brief moment, but I loved how little Lilly smiles to her father after her move.
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Why not a detective
