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Post by eduardodelroice on Mar 30, 2009 10:49:43 GMT -5
ali, I think that since the shows has 6 seasons, sometimes things will be repeated
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 30, 2009 10:51:46 GMT -5
a lot does get repeated, but at least with Lilly's dad; the relationship is something different.
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Post by Electrophile on Mar 30, 2009 10:55:29 GMT -5
QUESTIONS PLEASE
1-Why would they keep the glasses? That was kind of unrealistic
2-What was the issue with the statement? Why there was an issue that a statement was not published?
3-What exactly was the deal That Julian made with the Romanos?
4-I did not get what exactly Virginia meant saying her mother was a creo? I mean, My mom is white and my dad is black... How was possible for Julian to be white if both parents were black?
5-What was going on with Lilly's story? about the chess, about the bike, about Christmas, about not having money for presents?
Thanks 1. It wasn't glasses, it was broken glass. The glass had fallen in the ducts and had been forgotten. It's not implausible to find blood still on the glass if it had been undisturbed, I've heard of cold cases being solved with blood evidence older than 50 years. 2. The detectives were dumbfounded as to why the Kemps didn't make a statement after Julian's death. Maybe something along the lines of "Julian was a beloved son-in-law, husband and friend and we'll miss him terribly." It was later determined that when his father-in-law found out he was black, he chose to stifle the investigation. You have to remember, this was 1958. 3. Julian's deal said that they got all the profits from the Libertyville homes, rather than splitting them with the Romanos who provided the building materials. It enabled the Kemps to reap maximum reward for what they were doing. 4. Not Hatian Creo........Creole. Google it. Beyonce Knowles is Creole, if you want a famous example. Everyone's skin color comes in shades. African-Americans can be very light-skinned or very dark-skinned and all shades between. Same with Caucasians. Julian was very light and could pass for a white man, which many blacks at that time did if they could. As we saw, it made their lives exponentially better. Julian was not white in a biological sense, he was white in a social sense. 5. Lilly was talking about how when she was younger her mother didn't have enough money for Christmas presents one year, but there was this red bike with a banana seat waiting for her. Obviously her father had bought it for her. As for the chess, Lilly and her father used to play chess when she was younger.....that's what the flashback showed. Also, at the end of Wings, you see Lilly with a chess set. And the detectives shouldn't always see the victim at the end, you know. It's much more important for the friends and family of the deceased to have that closure. You keep complaining about this and I don't know why. |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 30, 2009 11:00:37 GMT -5
Electrophile- People like to voice their own opinions, you don't have to read anything that you don't like. It's a freedom of speech... Second you are wrong, Lilly's family was poor. They never had enough money, Lilly even cited it back in S1's Maternal instints, " You have no job, and your little girl comes home with a purple toe". Plus she lived in a poor section of Philly, and had an alcoholic mother. Take into everything considered, there were some good and bad moments.
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Post by Electrophile on Mar 30, 2009 11:12:50 GMT -5
Electrophile- People like to voice their own opinions, you don't have to read anything that you don't like. It's a freedom of speech... Second you are wrong, Lilly's family was poor. They never had enough money, Lilly even cited it back in S1's Maternal instints, " You have no job, and your little girl comes home with a purple toe". Plus she lived in a poor section of Philly, and had an alcoholic mother. Take into everything considered, there were some good and bad moments. Where did I say they weren't poor? So I don't know what you're talking about. I was repeating what Lilly herself said in the episode - that her mother didn't have money for presents and one year she got a red bike with a banana seat that "Santa" (her father) got for her [body language gave that one away]. If I said something that was in error, you could at least quote the part that was wrong and then correct it. Otherwise I don't know what you're referencing or why you're referencing it. |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 30, 2009 11:19:56 GMT -5
I was referring to what you said that Lilly's mother didn't have money one year for christmas. But I recalled back in S1 Lilly speaking about how her family never had another money. That's all.
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Post by ali on Mar 30, 2009 11:21:50 GMT -5
ali, I think that since the shows has 6 seasons, sometimes things will be repeated Yes, it's true, a lot of things are repeated during seasons, but some things are too much evident to be repeated. When I saw that Julian wasn't white as everybody thought, it reminds me Colors, and I thought: is this thing statistically relevant? How many black people can be confused with caucasian people (there's not only the colour of the skin to recognize the etnicity)? This is something that can work on fiction... Just my opinion. Aside from that, I rated it OK because, although there were some good things (Lilly and her father, the direction, the closing song), sometimes I got bored...I don't know why. |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 30, 2009 11:28:35 GMT -5
@ali- You are right, this episode did remind me of colors. but remember the woman was really black that Clyde had fallen in love with. It was just a switch this time, but still alright for me.
I still find that Lilly's Dad isn't a repeat of Ellen Rush in any way. He's different but supportive and quiet, plus you can tell that she feels at ease around him,.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Mar 30, 2009 12:19:59 GMT -5
Electrophile_ Girl, Thanks for your answers.  But I didn't get how could Julian with both black parents be so "white"... That was kind of unrealistic too About the detectives... these new writers never want the detectives to see the victim... I was so used to it @ali &LII2: I remember Colors because it's one of my all time favorites. I still don't know what to vote... still deciding between Excellent and Best of the season Oh I remembered also that Lilly said she did not like Chinese food...
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 30, 2009 12:30:42 GMT -5
eduardo- Lilly never said that she didn't like Chinese food, she said that she couldn't pass up having Chinese.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Mar 30, 2009 12:32:22 GMT -5
eduardo- Lilly never said that she didn't like Chinese food, she said that she couldn't pass up having Chinese. OK LII2 I just watched this photo in detail and I understand. His mother wasn't too dark so that's the reason why Julian was lighter than his sister  |
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Post by Naj on Mar 30, 2009 12:58:21 GMT -5
As was said this scenario has already been represented on Cold Case and the series does repeat itself. So one of Julian's own is jealous/angry and loses it. Being in the here and now and looking back to the issues society faces it all looks rather childish. Why jeopardize your own freedoms over something beyond your control. Earth is an emotional place to learn at times. I liked Jeffries remark to Vera: "Interest rates are low. Time to act is now!" ;D Two things I found silly: chard of glass is found in the floor duct 50 years later and there is not one spot of dust or even a cobweb! Odd! bar tab receipt from 1958 for Harry? All in all it was a good to excellent episode for me. I'm wondering if the meal ordered in the chinese restaurant is indeed one of KM's favorites in real life. |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Mar 30, 2009 12:59:57 GMT -5
Naj: I thought the same about the glass
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Post by Electrophile on Mar 30, 2009 14:37:26 GMT -5
It is absolutely not unrealistic for an African-American to pass for white. The same as a child born to two Caucasian parents can be anywhere from very pale to very tawny. A friend of mine is Swedish and looks almost nothing like the Swedish stereotype; he has dark hair, dark eyes and a very tan complexion, even though he's not much of a sunbather. Both his parents have blonde hair, blue eyes and very pale complexions.
The Creole people are very light-skinned anyway, because they were a mixture of African slaves and French. So when you have a child born to a light-skinned parent and a dark-skinned parent, he/she could come out looking like either one or some combination of the two. Same goes for all subsequent children. It's all about recessive genes and genetics.
Just because it's not something you're immediately familiar with doesn't necessarily mean that the writers or producers of the show are stretching historical accuracy.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Mar 30, 2009 14:43:30 GMT -5
It is absolutely not unrealistic for an African-American to pass for white. The same as a child born to two Caucasian parents can be anywhere from very pale to very tawny. A friend of mine is Swedish and looks almost nothing like the Swedish stereotype; he has dark hair, dark eyes and a very tan complexion, even though he's not much of a sunbather. Both his parents have blonde hair, blue eyes and very pale complexions. The Creole people are very light-skinned anyway, because they were a mixture of African slaves French. So when you have a child born to a light-skinned parent and a dark-skinned parent, he/she could come out looking like either one or some combination of the two. Same goes for all subsequent children. It's all about recessive genes and genetics. Just because it's not something you're immediately familiar with doesn't necessarily mean that the writers or producers of the show are stretching historical accuracy. OK. As I said I corrected myself when I researched it. I knew the situation since my dad is really dark and my mom is white. I'm not white but I'm really lighter than dad Lilly does not like chinese food(or whatever)... Maybe I'll make s banner out of it... |
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Post by Electrophile on Mar 30, 2009 14:49:49 GMT -5
It is absolutely not unrealistic for an African-American to pass for white. The same as a child born to two Caucasian parents can be anywhere from very pale to very tawny. A friend of mine is Swedish and looks almost nothing like the Swedish stereotype; he has dark hair, dark eyes and a very tan complexion, even though he's not much of a sunbather. Both his parents have blonde hair, blue eyes and very pale complexions. The Creole people are very light-skinned anyway, because they were a mixture of African slaves French. So when you have a child born to a light-skinned parent and a dark-skinned parent, he/she could come out looking like either one or some combination of the two. Same goes for all subsequent children. It's all about recessive genes and genetics. Just because it's not something you're immediately familiar with doesn't necessarily mean that the writers or producers of the show are stretching historical accuracy. OK. As I said I corrected myself when I researched it. I knew the situation since my dad is really dark and my mom is white. I'm not white but I'm really lighter than dad Lilly does not like chinese food(or whatever)... Maybe I'll make s banner out of it... Lilly DOES like Chinese food. |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Mar 30, 2009 14:53:04 GMT -5
OK. I voted for excellent:
Maybe I'll rewatch it tomorrow or wednesday. I did not pay too much attention to the dinner scene(I usually don't like personal drama) and the fact that I was at work... So by mistake I understood she did not like Chinese food when she was a child.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 30, 2009 15:12:25 GMT -5
The case didn't grab me at all, I voted " Hated it", but I think what saved it was Lilly eating dinner with her father scenes. I really like where this is going, she needs a postive person in her life. In this case having him is way better than having a love relationship.
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Post by Electrophile on Mar 30, 2009 15:15:18 GMT -5
I don't remember if Lilly mentioned anything about not liking Chinese as a child. I know that when her father expressed surprise that she showed up, she said "I couldn't pass up Chinese".
I also thought it was cute that they both ordered the same thing -- I happen to like Sesame noodles myself.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Mar 30, 2009 15:15:32 GMT -5
The case didn't grab me at all, I voted " Hated it", but I think what saved it was Lilly eating dinner with her father scenes. I really like where this is going, she needs a postive person in her life. In this case having him is way better than having a love relationship. I think It depends on everyone. Everyone thinks different. I loved Witness Protection while all others hated it, I hated Jackals while all others love it. This one was excellent for me because even igf the subject was touched before: Now It had a difference: Excellent final song: We knew the victim a lot(not like in the past episode where all I knew was her name): 1950's case so I almost always love middle aged cases(1950-1960) |
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