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Post by ColdCaseLvr on Apr 25, 2004 20:07:34 GMT -5
Did anyone else notice Wayne Northrop as Danville's old boss?
Thats the original Roman from Days of Our Lives, and arguably much much better than the John Black/Roman who replaced him....
The summer of '83 it was Roman and Marlena and Bo and Hope and you didn't need anbody else. Course I just watched it on lunch break from high school lol.
Yes, I'm a dude, and hetero. lol. What can I say, I watch too much t.v.
M.
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Post by peggyk on May 12, 2004 7:39:38 GMT -5
peggyk, if you missed the episode, just go to www.the-realworld.de, and you can download this ,or any/all of the other CC episodes, as well as a host of other shows. You need to have an edonkey/overnet, client though. Thanks papertiger, I wasn't able to do it that way since our ISP has decided to block us from using those services but I did get to download it another way which takes a lot longer and that is why I am just not getting to see the episode. ;D I really liked this episode, it was another one of those where they solved the crime of someone in my opinion deserved what he got. I think it shows that not every crime they solve is one that makes you feel good for solving it. If that makes any sense. It was already menitoned but this show does such a great job of matching actors from young to older. That is one of the things I really enjoy. Just one more thing that makes this a top notch show. |
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Post by MrsB on May 14, 2004 9:36:45 GMT -5
Might anyone know who played the role of Kip's mother? Might it have been Patty McCormick? We missed the first couple minutes of the episode. FYI - in "case" anyone is still interested in the answer to this question, I just read in "Soap Opera Digest" that it was Barbara Niven who played Kip's mother - the younger version. She played Liz on One Life to Live last year. She talks of doing the episode of Cold Case - she said she went back to 1985 and had the big hair and shoulder pads - she said it was hilarious.  |
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Post by Tati on Jun 6, 2004 14:55:59 GMT -5
this ep just aired here in Brazil last Friday.
I wonder why Randy's deal didn't work out in the end. Was it because the killer wasn't Stu Livermore, as he had said?
Tatiana
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Post by Ryebeach on Nov 25, 2004 16:44:45 GMT -5
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Post by Ryebeach on Mar 3, 2005 20:57:16 GMT -5
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Post by Naj on Mar 3, 2005 21:11:24 GMT -5
Thanks, Ryebeach. I checked TV-now earlier today. Guess I wasn't looking in the right place for repeats.  ~Naj |
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Post by Naj on Jan 28, 2006 13:08:24 GMT -5
Reairs February 14 TNT
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Post by boxman on Feb 15, 2006 3:19:06 GMT -5
Did anyone else notice the license plate on the D'Lorean as the mother was driving away in it after killing that icky guy? It began with "PRC" - I don't know if the writers were calling this jerk guy a name or not but it seemed appropriate!!! LOL! Interesting! Gotta love those 'vanity plates'! How about the name of that scam company, "Never-Ex" --as in, "investing in this company is a big 'No-No'"??  Or is there any other significance to the double negative? About that "First Thursdays" thing: Even til today, Philadelphia continues to have an exodus of residents that leave the city for the suburbs. The early nineties, however, marked the beginning of a revival of Philly's downtown section, known collectively as the "Center City" district. The eastern part of Center City has a neighborhood called "Olde City," long home to a lot of art galleries. (Travis, from the episode Debut, also had his gallery there.) To bring people's interest back into the area, the Olde City galleries of the early nineties created a monthly event called "First Fridays". The event encourages people to freely stroll through the galleries to enjoy art and culture along with wine and hors d'oeuvres. Over the years, the success of First Fridays encouraged a lot of night clubs, restaurants, and even theaters to open in the area. Today, Olde City is one of the city's hot spots for going out anytime of the week. (Those of you who watch MTV probably already know this....) Anyway, First Fridays' success inspired other events such as "First Saturdays" for even more art stuff, and even a "Last Fridays" event for counter-culture artists and theater groups. Cold Case's "First Thursdays" is definitely another play of this actual Philly tradition. Another thing about Philly is that technically, businesses that serve alcohol must close at 2:00am. Those liquor laws created a loophole where "private clubs" can continue to serve alcohol to their members until whenever they please. There is one club in Philly that is a private club for writers (reporters, journalists, etc.). Cold Case's 'detective club'--as portrayed with pictures of past members--seems to also be a play of this one particular "private club" that actually exist. (Because I strongly doubt the existence of an after-hours clubs for law enforcement!) |
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Post by sonny on Feb 15, 2006 8:12:13 GMT -5
I've always wondered where the first thursday thing stemmed from. Thanks boxman, really interesting. ;D
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Post by TVFan on Feb 15, 2006 12:37:01 GMT -5
That's awesome information boxman! I figured the whole thing was simply a figment of the writers' imaginations, so it's extra special to know that it is based on a cultural tradition in Philly. It's great to have your perspective.
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Post by boxman on Feb 16, 2006 22:18:47 GMT -5
sonny & TVFan, I'm happy to share that info with you folks and the board. In the episodes I've seen so far, Cold Case does an amazingly good job of portraying Philadelphia, our people, and our culture rather faithfully. I must say that I like that not only because I live here, but moreso because I feel that its a good indication of how committed the producers and writers are to their craft. It would probably be easier for them to simply use the city as a backdrop for the show, write any kind of story they want without restrictions, and just claim 'creative license' when their fictional events are a far stretch from reality. I admire their efforts in composing stories that stay within factual boundaries; and in the end, I think they have a very superior show because of it. (I'm really happy that its also reflected in the show's good ratings too.) Every episode I've seen so far has a very high degree of believability--that the people and events portrayed could have actually happened. That creates an incredible amount of emotional impact for me, especially considering that each episode centers around a murder. I hope that by sharing some of these details with you folks, you too can appreciate what the writers are doing in the same way I am.
Some may not know this, but Philly does have its own stock exchange. In fact, the Philadelphia Stock Exchange is the country's oldest exchange; and just like hinted in the show, it's located on Market Street: www.phlx.com/exchange/index.html And yes, off of Market Street there are a lot of dark alleys.
If you live in a city with an exchange, such as New York or Chicago, you probably know that stock traders are very high rollers. This is also true with Philly, and like shown in the episodes, there are a number of very swanky restaurants within walking distance from Market Street that cater to this kind of crowd.
Even though I just praised the show for its accuracy, there was an unusual element in this episode. Ardmore--the Montgomery County suburb that the stolen sports cars were brought to--is one of a string of suburbs located along the Main Line, which is Philadelphia's equivalent of Beverly Hills, or NYC's Hamptons. (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Main_Line ) It's more likely that a sports car would be stolen from Ardmore and brought into Philly, rather than the other way around. Perhaps the writer had a score to settle with someone from Ardmore??? ha ha ha... Anyway, this unusual element makes me recall an actual Ardmore car theft not too long ago...the theft of a $729,000 Ferrari. Yes, that's not a typo--a seven-hundred twenty-nine thousand dollar Ferrari got stolen from Ardmore, PA: www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0903/27ferrari.html Without a doubt, this was probably one of the biggest auto heists ever committed.
Also interestingly, Ardmore is not far from the location of a company that provided venture capital to internet companies in the 1990s. Even though the real-life Main Line company is legit, a lot of investors that held the company's stock when the internet bubble burst got burned by it. There are many who accused it of being a "pump-and-dump" investment not much different than Charles Danville's Nevrex.
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Post by boxman on Feb 17, 2006 1:24:00 GMT -5
Cold Case's Episode 1.20, Greed, undoubtedly borrows heavily from themes in the 1987 Oliver Stone movie, Wall Street: www.imdb.com/title/tt0094291/
Plot Outline: A young and impatient stockbroker [Bud Fox] is willing to do anything to get to the top, including trading on illegal inside information taken through a ruthless and greedy corporate raider whom takes the youth under his wing. Not only is "Greed" the title of this episode, it was also Wall Street's working title. (see www.imdb.com/title/tt0094291/trivia ) And Lilly even mentions the phrase "Greed is Good" at the start of the episode, an obvious reference to the movie's pivotal speech given by corporate raider Gordon Gecko (played by Michael Douglas). Sadly, I must admit that knowing the movie Wall Street pretty much stopped me from fully enjoying this episode. Quite simply, you can't compare a fourty-four minute television show with a movie where Michael Douglas--who played the villain--won an Oscar, a Golden Globe, plus four other domestic and international awards!! Fourty-four minutes is simply not enough time to develop the Charles Danville character the same way that Michael Douglas brought depth to Gordon Gecko. I absolutely recommend Wall Street to anyone interested in a business career, or to anyone simply interested in the eighties. Don't just take my opinion, please read the comments here: www.imdb.com/title/tt0094291/usercomments (Plus, if you're lucky, you might be able to find the DVD for under $6.00 in the bargain bin at Wal-Mart!) Wall Street is a movie that still gets viewed, discussed, and analysed in college business ethics courses because of the larger philosophical questions it poses. To this point, I am satisfied that the writers still preserved and even modified the philosophical dilemma borrowed from Wall Street. One question my Business Ethics professor posed to the class was: "What could Bud Fox have done to prevent himself from being taken advantaged of by Gordon Gecko?"In the context of Cold Case's Greed, this question can be re-phrased: "What could young Kip Crowley have done to prevent himself from being taken advantaged of by his mentor Charles Danville?"Or modified: "What can a person do to have the kind of insight into a person's character that the drug dealer Teddy Mars had of Charles Danville? Why did Teddy--and no one else--know not to trust Danville? Was it simply because Teddy was a criminal himself, or was it because he wasn't dependent on Danville for anything??"It's a good question to ask of college students who haven't started a career yet. Partly because some don't find anything morally wrong with insider trading; but more importantly, because young adults are susceptible to more experienced adults that may use a young adult's ambition, greed, and naivite against them.
Final thought (for now): I really liked the use of the colour green during the flash backs. Greenbacks -- get it?? ha ha ha... At first, I thought it was simply the effect of flourescent lighting on the film, but the nightclub and apartment scenes were also green, indicating the color could only have been intentional. Nice touch! |
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Post by myril on Feb 17, 2006 3:30:18 GMT -5
Yeah, greenbacks... got it. lol Nice idea. As I remember the episode (haven't seen it for a while) the sort of fluorescent lighting with green touch created for me an impression of a toxic and cold atmosphere, something that slowly poisons peoples minds and kills - like greed as portrait here does. A warmer, more grasy or dark green is a symbol for hope, youth, nature, but green especially in it's colder or flourescent variations and combined with yellow, violett and black it is a color signaling danger and evil... uh, well, now we're into psychology of colors, hehehe... ;D
And I had to think of the movie Wall Street as well, though luckily for cold Case I saw it only once and so could enjoy the episode without comparing it constantly with it. I totally agree with you, boxman, it's a good question to ask, how Kid could have prevented himself from being taken by someone like Danville. And what ethics (money) business has. Yeah, if you're young and unexperienced you're more susceptible to the power of (wrong) leadership, but not only then.
Guess there are many subtleys and sides in the episodes that haven't been discussed yet. Could be fun to rewatch them and look deeper into details.
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Post by TVFan on Feb 17, 2006 11:47:46 GMT -5
Thanks again for all the added insight boxman. I haven't seen Wallstreet, but it does sound similar.
I would have to agree with you here 100%. I remember reading articles about the amazing photography direction on CC, so it's safe to assume that the green hue was no accident nor was it simply used to give the flashbacks an "older look." Just as the songs are carefully handpicked to reflect the themes of the scenes and the overall theme of the episode, so are the hues, styles and sets. CC has one of, if not the, most talented creative teams I have ever seen on television. Each episode, as Kathryn has pointed out in the past, really is like a mini-movie.
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Post by r2k on Feb 17, 2006 18:14:12 GMT -5
I noticed that too and I guess since money and greed were the themes in the episode, the color fit the flashbacks.
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Post by Pixie on Feb 18, 2006 13:25:26 GMT -5
Well Greed is also one of the seven deadly sins and all sins has a color like f. x. Pride has the color purple/violet. Greed has the color green.... Just a thought...   |
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Post by boxman on Feb 18, 2006 15:27:22 GMT -5
I remember reading articles about the amazing photography direction on CC, so it's safe to assume that the green hue was no accident nor was it simply used to give the flashbacks an "older look." Just as the songs are carefully handpicked to reflect the themes of the scenes and the overall theme of the episode, so are the hues, styles and sets. CC has one of, if not the, most talented creative teams I have ever seen on television. Each episode, as Kathryn has pointed out in the past, really is like a mini-movie. Yes, TVFan, the creative visual elements really add another dimension to the show that makes watching and analysing each episode really worthwhile! Its fun for me to hunt these little side cues...sorta like the kind of fun one had as a kid when looking for easter eggs! Well Greed is also one of the seven deadly sins and all sins has a color like f. x. Pride has the color purple/violet. Greed has the color green.... Just a thought... Wow! Very interesting, Pixie! I was not aware of that! Can you tell us what the other color/sin associations are?? And what is the history of this? Is this concept from a European tradition, or from Christian tradition? |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Feb 18, 2006 15:36:32 GMT -5
I think evil is red
death is black
and i'll let pixie say the rest
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Post by Pixie on Feb 19, 2006 13:59:26 GMT -5
Well... Greed isn't connected to the color green, Greed is connected with the color yellow *SORRY*  But here a list of the deadly sins: - Anger -> Red - Gluttony -> Orange - Greed -> Yellow - Envy -> Green - Lust -> Blue - Sloth -> Light Blue - Pride -> Violet The home page where I found it: deadlysins.comAs I said I'm sorry my mistake.... |
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Or is there any other significance to the double negative?
