Ep. 4.14 8:03 AM

[TVFan]

MILLER RE-OPENS A 2002 CASE FROM HER UNDERCOVER DAYS INVOLVING THE LABYRINTHINE WORLD OF METHAMPHETAMINE ADDICTION TO FIND THE LINK BETWEEN TWO MURDERS THAT OCCURRED AT THE EXACT SAME TIME, ON "COLD CASE," AT A SPECIAL TIME, SUNDAY, JAN. 28, 8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT

Alex Zakrzewski directed the episode that was written by Executive Producer Veena Sud.

Original Songs By Multiple Grammy Award Winners U2 Will Be Featured Throughout The Episode

Lilly Rush: Kathryn Morris
Scotty Valens: Danny Pino
LT. John Stillman: John Finn
Nick Vera: Jeremy Ratchford
Will Jeffries: Thom Barry
Kat Miller: Tracie Thoms
Madison Reed: Alexa Nikolas
Michael Ellis (2002): Thomas Kasp
Skill (2002): Tristan Wilds
Toomey Nelson (2002/2006): Jeremiah Birkett
Champ: Rickey Chaney
Dealer #1: Christian Redd
Shirely Reed (2002/2006): Lucinda Jenney
Toni Halstead : Sonja Sohn
Moses Jones: Ernie Hudson
Gibby Hanes (2002/2006): Graham Hamilton
Clinic Worker: Melody Butiu
Miss Boyd (2002/2006): Jodi Carlisle
Michael Ellis (2006): Jordan Potter

[koufax]

I found a good review of tonight's episode. It talks about songs used so it might spoil it for some.

go to www.dailytrojan.com/media/paper679/sections/20070126Lifestyle.html

and scroll down to the one called "U2, murder: the oddly perfect match"

[longislanditalian2]

Did anyone catch that this Episode and today's date were exactly the same; cocidenctenly that it's also KM's birthday as well?


I love Lilly's reaction to when Vera mentioned about Kat and hormones. The look was totally priceless, and got a little defensiveful about it. She was quite stunned about what Vera said but it was a good thing that Scotty didn't answer to anything. In the warehouse, Lilly seemed to understand Kat even at the end. Maybe they will become friends, Lilly is probably happy to have another girl on the line that could understand where as the men wouldn't.

When the guy mentioned about getting laid, Lilly's eyes got wider, but the drugs thing with the mother. I think in a way she was thinking about her own mother, in context to when her dad left like Madison's did leaving them both high and dry.

I think in the end both Madison and Skill both realied what was important to them, and wanted to change to better themselves. They saw something in each one of them wanting to have a better life then drugs. Each of them had their struggles but that night they found each other, knowing that even through they were from two different economic social class; they still struggled with the same thing.

The dreamcatcher is supposed to hang over your bed to catch the good ones and let the bad ones go, it's a protector against the negetives dreams. I actually have one, it an Native American Symbolic thing.

Scotty when will you stop overreacting, first beating up the pedofile last season and now throwing the suspect/murder up against a couple of walls. I'm very surprised that Lilly didn't stop him, but I did see combination of S1 and S2 in her during the interrogation.

Poor Vera , isn't that Illegal to drink alcohol on duty ?? Don't they know that??


I just knew that the last song, With or without you was going to play. It seemed so perfect for the end. Especially with the two victims dying with their eyes open , maybe symbolic for heaven. Like Madison's mother was talking about in the crack house, saying that this was heaven.

Both Skill and Madison eyes were open staring at the sky just like the mother did in the episode " The key" as the eclipse came out.

Just one last thought could the name " Champ" be a reference to Kathryn's new movie??

[coldcasegirl]

I thought this episode was pretty great, but it seemed a little too "hollywoodish", or staged, in the end, because the shootings were just a coincidence happening at the same time, but then it seemed too fake that the victim's were connected

Aww, and poor Vera...he should have at least called Toni(?) and told her he was gonna be late, but did he think of that...no! But the Kat & hormones comment cracked me up, and I especially loved Lilly's facials in this ep. and the best one was towards Vera's comment ;D

But this episode really was pretty great! They just better hurry it up with a NEW episode! (withdrawals begin to come back....lol) ;D

[longislanditalian2]

Wow, Kat showed a side to her that I've have never expected. Talking streetwise, that kinda took me by surprised. But how she interogated Tommy reminded me of Lilly back in the earlier seasons for some reason.


The ending song " With or Without you" really showed how two communities delt with or without both Madision and Skill that Life does go on.

" Heal yourself away" fits well with Madision's mother trying to heal herself by talking to younger generations about drugs. Skill's grandfather was healed by seeing Skill's sprirt holding a book letting him know that he was in fact going to change.

Kat healed by solving this case, Lilly standing by knowing that the victims got justice.


Okay did anyone get a reference to " The woods" like George did right before Lilly shot him?

The boy yelling shut up constantly reminded me of when Lilly was talking about George's rape and him yelling that at her. Also when Toomy was yelling at Skill was eerie similar to George telling Lilly and he and her are alike and will be along like him


Another thing, When Lilly askes who Scotty's type was he didn't answer, but looked at her for a second, again I am not saying it's love but more of a understanding that the two shared back in the hotel in Tennessee about them not finding their perfect love so to speak.

Vera was taunting him about the DA asking about him, maybe after what happened to his brother she wanted see how he was, I don't think it's a love thing...

Scotty didn't seem interested even when meeting her, I doubt anything will happen.


The " victims" appeared twice in this episode. But were seen together in the end in front of Kat. Why did Lilly have that look on her face when she sat both Skill and Madison, and keep on walking? It just struck me as odd that she would do this



When Vera mentions about not really wanting a child, didn't he want one back in " Franks best" filling out an adoption papers and talkign to his ex-wife about trying to have kids?

[eurache]

Not to give too much info away but I was sad about the situation with Vera and Toni I thought she was the one for him

I loved that Kat was brought in on this episode with her past as an officer on the scene that year.

I was surprised about the mother of the victim I loved the facial reaction on Lilly. I know she was thinking about the situation with her own mother.

I was surprised with the ending when they caught whom killed the victims.

I thought it was an excellent show and altho, I know of the U2 band; i'm not familiar with their songs.

[TVFan]

I gave this one an "excellent." It was another stand-out for me in a season full of them. The music was awesome, but then again, I expected nothing less knowing that it was an all-U2 ep. "Surrender," "Window in the Sky" (even though it was misused in a flashback -- the song is new according to my local radio station ), "Without or Without You" and others are some of my all-time faves. I've been a U2 fan for a good part of my life, and I practically grew up with a lot of their songs.

But, it wasn't just the music that made this one so good. I loved how Lilly had to hold her emotions back with Madison's mom. You just know that she wanted to lay into her the way she did Maeve Bubley last season, but the fact that she was bothered by her reaction last season kept her from making the same mistake. I love the character development here as well as the continuity. She had the best scene of the night when the stockbroker winked at her during their interview. The look she gave him (and then Scotty) was priceless! I also loved the opening scene with Vera assuming that Kat was having "female cycle" problems. Lilly was adorable.

This show has done an excellent job correcting two old problems this season: 1) No Lilly involvement in other detective heavy cases (Lilly was all over this case and has been on all of the other detective cases this season) and 2) More team-like atmosphere. Each week, it truly feels like these guys are a team and working together to solve these cases. I love the way they jab each other and then help each other. It's great and it reminds me of S1.

I was sad to see things end for Vera and Toni. They had a lot of potential, but as usual, the life of a cop got in the way. Boy, could Vera and Lil share some stories over coffee! She knows all about being dumped over her job. Once again, Jeremy Ratchford did an excellent job.

I really like Kat, so it was great to see her get her own case. Tracie was wonderful, and I loved seeing her flashbacks. She and Lil work really well together. I hope that trend continues. The case itself was well done. I kept thinking that they were going to have to force something in order to make it work, but they surprised me with the connected-but-not-connected ending. Both victims had their lives cut short because of drugs, and both because they put down people who were more deeply involved with the drug trade. I liked the way that Toomey and Gibby were the same character, just different backgrounds (and thus, both were killers) as were Madison and Skill. It's so sad to think that both victims were trying to make things right in their lives when they died. I liked that the show manipulated my judgment, and allowed me to see both teens in the same way. In the end, both of their murders were equally as tragic and sad.

Another awesome episode! More thoughts and a few caps over at Pass the Remote.

[boxman]

coldcasegirl said:

They just better hurry it up with a NEW episode! (withdrawals begin to come back....lol) ;D

Yeah, it was nice to finally see a new episode tonight! I thought it was great the way the episode started in the morning with the four detectives walking into work (with each carrying a large cup of coffee... ). Seeing them all together in one scene like that was like seeing old friends again after a long time.

longislanditalian2 said:

Did anyone catch that this Episode and today's date were exactly the same; cocidenctenly that it's also KM's birthday as well?

I wonder if she was born at 8:03 AM?? ;D

longislanditalian2 said:

Scotty when will you stop overreacting, first beating up the pedofile last season and now throwing the suspect/murder up against a couple of walls. I'm very surprised that Lilly didn't stop him, but I did see combination of S1 and S2 in her during the interrogation.

LII2, have you seen the 1967 Dustin Hoffman film "The Graduate"?? If you haven't, I highly recommend that you see it. (Less than $10 at Wal-Mart!) You seem to really enjoy analysing the symbolism in this series, and the movie is a classic in how it's done in the very same way. You'll also probably notice a few common things between the two, such as how water symbolizes change, how alcoholism is viewed negatively, and how the movie was done to a Simon & Garfunkel soundtrack. Anyway, I mention it because I've watched it recently (again) myself. One interesting thing they do in the movie is to have the main character fall into darkness or shadows when he's doing something indecent or unethical. In Scotty's interrogation scene, they film him in a similar way. As we viewers start to question Scotty's "interrogation technique", he slips into the darkness of the room..

longislanditalian2 said:

Another thing, When Lilly askes who Scotty's type was he didn't answer, but looked at her for a second, again I am not saying it's love but more of a understanding that the two shared back in the hotel in Tennessee about them not finding their perfect love so to speak.

Did anyone notice how Lilly nearly jumped out of her seat to volunteer for the opportunity to go the high school with Scotty?? Heh heh heh... Just kidding about jumping out of the seat--but she *did* volunteer rather quickly to partner with Scotty on that trip to the high school. Seems like since "The Red and The Blue", she likes "going out" and "partnering" with him, no??

Speaking of relationships, I'm a little disappointed to see that things seem to be fizzing out between Vera and Toni.

I was a little surprised that the storyline didn't seem to be very "U2-centered". This seems to contrast quite a bit with the other episodes that had single artists, or in the case with "Wilkommen" and "Creatures of the Night", music from a common show. I thought it was rather cool, for example, how the Mellencamp episode "Kensington" was very blue-collar, and the Springsteen episode "8 Years" had the Jersey connection. Still, I had a lot of big expectations of this episode, and I'm happy to say I really enjoyed it. The twist about the murders at the end was clever. I expected the murderers to have colluded somehow, rather than how it turned out the way it did.

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In the opening scene, we see Lilly, Scotty, Vera, and Jeffries walking in to work. The building on the right (with the statue) is Philly's City Hall. On the left is the building that originally housed the Wanamaker's department store. That building and its interior was featured in the movies "Mannequin" and "12 Monkeys".

The Philly skyline is briefly shown before the scene at the Chestnut Hill high school. It clearly shows the Comcast Center skyscraper--even as it's being built--towering above its neighbors. That shot is quite accurately filmed from the northwest direction, where Chestnut Hill is located.

Even though Philly has a large African-American population, to my knowledge the city oddly does *not* have a street named after Martin Luther King as mentioned in the show. What makes this even more strange, is that King attended Crozer Theological Seminary near Chester, a small city to the southwest of Philly International Airport.

Reading books is again shown positively, as it has been in many previous episodes..

I really liked the camerawork in this episode. Lots of closeup and "twisted" wideangle shots that were done well in capturing the characters' emotions in a countless number of scenes. And the steadicam during the detective's morning walk to work really put me "there" at City Hall.

ETA: Oh... I have to correct myself. The city *does* have a Martin Luther King, Jr. Drive. They renamed West River Drive to that a few years ago. It's a very scenic drive, and it hardly runs through the ghetto like how Chris Rock once joked about streets named after King.

[The Reverend Bizarre]

Unfortunately I missed the first half of this episode. But as a crack theory I can offer symbolic speculations about the 8:03 AM time by using gematria.

8 = New Creation or Beginning
3 = Divine Completeness

8+3 = 11 = Judgment and Disorder

1+1=2=Union or Witness.


Wish I'd seen the whole episode though

[canuckiepen]

In this episode, was this the 1st time Kat "saw" the victim(s)? I can't remember.

[longislanditalian2]

boxman said:

Did anyone notice how Lilly nearly jumped out of her seat to volunteer for the opportunity to go the high school with Scotty?? Heh heh heh... Just kidding about jumping out of the seat--but she *did* volunteer rather quickly to partner with Scotty on that trip to the high school. Seems like since "The Red and The Blue", she likes "going out" and "partnering" with him, no??

Did anyone Notice how many times Lilly" Bumped" into Scotty aas they were walking with Vera and Jefferies, quite few. Throughout this whole episode they kept glancing over at each other, there's something up between them. Could be friendship but or a start of love but again I'm not going in that direction with that..


I think Lilly does likes being with Scotty, I think they understand and car for each other in a lot of ways. She feels in a way that she is safe and protected with him. She did jump father fast, I wonder why?? But who knows, that's the mysery of the cold case characters to keep us the audience guessing ( The Element of Suprise) It's hard to know what Lilly is truely feeling at times.




boxman- I did see the move" The Graduate" not recently but when I was a kid once. Don't remember much maybe I'll find it in the boxes in the attic one day.

[eurache]

canuckiepen said:

In this episode, was this the 1st time Kat "saw" the victim(s)? I can't remember.

I believe so canukiepen and I believe it's b/c it was a case involved with her in it. So, yes I think it's her first time to see the victims. Which was cool and I know it surprised her, but I think she understood.

[riche]

longislanditalian2 said:

Poor Vera , isn't that Illegal to drink alcohol on duty ?? Don't they know that??

I'm sure they do. What makes you think they were on duty? My guess is they'd finished for the day but had nowhere else to go. Scotty probably recognised the sudden mood change and decided to stay and commiserate with his friend and colleague.

Just one last thought could the name " Champ" be a reference to Kathryn's new movie??

A bit of a stretch perhaps. Was "Champ" resurrected?

As coldcasegirl said the timing of the deaths was coincidental and was only really a hook to spark an interest in the two deaths. A nice idea but a little far fetched.

A good episode all round though.

[riche]

longislanditalian2 said:

Wow, Kat showed a side to her that I've have never expected.

Kat really got her claws out Sorry.

The " victims" appeared twice in this episode. But were seen together in the end in front of Kat. Why did Lilly have that look on her face when she saw both Skill and Madison, and keep on walking? It just struck me as odd that she would do this

I think Lilly turned and looked at Kat, or that was the way it was supposed to be, perhaps recognising the feeling of solving the case and putting things to rest. Which, as we know, tends to trigger the whole seeing/imagining thing. Or maybe she was supposed to look at them, in which case she wanted to leave them to Kat, it was her case. When Stillman hands out the files at the beginning Lilly looks pleased for Kat that she's been given the chance to do this case.

When Vera mentions about not really wanting a child, didn't he want one back in " Franks best" filling out an adoption papers and talking to his ex-wife about trying to have kids?

He didn't say he didn't want a child, he said "I never intended being insta-dad." He was trying to say that they both had to accept certain things to be together. Her his job and him her kid.

I wonder if Vera was doing the subconscious sabotaging thing. Finding reasons to be late. Giving Toni reasons to dump him, making it not his fault.

[LillyKat]

Hmmm ... I have to admit I was not feeling this episode as much as I thought I would. The case seemed … well, just OK to me. I don’t know if I’m yearning for an older case or something that’s not involving kids … can’t really say … I’m sort of puzzled myself. LOL!

However, what I did love about this episode were all the personal interactions amongst all the detectives. I agree that we seemed to have returned to more of a “team” environment whereby everybody is kind of keeping tabs on what is happening in each other’s lives – which is far more normal to me than everyone acting as islands unto themselves and nobody seems to even ask each other how they are doing.

I also had "Saving Patrick Bubley" / Mauve interrogation flashbacks when Lilly was in with mom. Wow, the expression on her face of wanting to lay into her ... genius. Kudos, as always, to Kathryn's balance of power and restraint.

Tracie Thoms rocked in this episode. I have liked Kat from Day 1, and I continue to enjoy her individually as well as when she works with Lilly. I truly enjoyed how Lilly was kind of the older, wiser detective when she went to find Kat in the box room. It was very a lá Stillman. I also liked how Lilly went to bat for Kat with Stillman so the case could get re-opened. Her volunteering herself (and Scotty) to jump in and start interviewing the high school kid was, to me, sort of her subtle way of getting Stillman to feel like there was definitely something to the case. She is, after all, his ace, so if she was feeling the case, well ...

Vera and Toni … … bummer again with how they decided to write out/get rid of what seemed to be a really nice little storyline. Call me corny, or overly optimisitic, or just not bothered by romantic storylines, but I’m starting to feel like no one on this show is ever going to be able to have a relationship with a good/great guy/gal for any extended period of time. What is the deal with that? It’s just weird to me. Other cop shows DO give their characters a chance for something with someone, but I swear CC has the market cornered on getting all of its detectives dumped on a regular basis. I don’t like that, but oh well … c’est la vie. I feel like Vera, “I’m asking you [CC] to give [relationships] a chance.” LOL!

All in all, good ep. Not a favorite for me, but good.

I did find it ironic the episode was a) dated on KM’s birthday; b) closed with “With or Without You,” which she has said is one of her favorite guilty pleasures (last year’s Tango article); c) she had expressed an interest in a U2 only episode back on that whole radio promo who-are-her-favorite-artists-she-listens-to, etc (thread is here). I’m no boxman, but I did think that all very coincidental.

[longislanditalian2]

lillykat said:

I did find it ironic the episode was a) dated on KM’s birthday; b) closed with “With or Without You,” which she has said is one of her favorite guilty pleasures (last year’s Tango article); c) she had expressed an interest in a U2 only episode back on that whole radio promo who-are-her-favorite-artists-she-listens-to, etc (thread is here). but I did think that all very coincidental.

It is all very coincidental, how the date was supposed to air on the 21st but ended up on the 28th. Even the fact that ending was Kathryn's guilty pleasure song ,stated in TANGO magazine. But she also said if they played it, it would have to center around Lilly Rush. In someways it did, so was KM giving us a clue to a feature episode there??

Something struck me

Yesterdays date was 1/28
The date of the murder was 1/28
Kathryn's birthday is 1/28
She is now 38

Something with the number 8 is puzzling, I need our symbolism people to tell us more.

[The Reverend Bizarre]

Another peculiar thing.

Yesterdays date was 1/28
The date of the murder was 1/28
Kathryn's birthday is 1/28
She is now 38

All those numbers add up to eleven, even the title of the episode 8:03 adds to 11. So 11x5=55

5+5=10

10 = Testimony
8 = New Creation or Beginning.

[Naj]

Yea, I noticed this too. Well they are bringing Vera into the storylines this season so it's only natural that Kat is next and this was her episode.

canuckiepen said:

In this episode, was this the 1st time Kat "saw" the victim(s)? I can't remember.

[Naj]

I thought about it being KM's birthday. Interesting observation with the numeralogy.

xuchilbara said:

Another peculiar thing.

Yesterdays date was 1/28
The date of the murder was 1/28
Kathryn's birthday is 1/28
She is now 38

All those numbers add up to eleven, even the title of the episode 8:03 adds to 11. So 11x5=55

5+5=10

10 = Testimony
8 = New Creation or Beginning.

[riche]

And if you reverse the digits 8:03 you get 308, which was the model of Ferrari that Magnum PI drove. So we should expect Scotty to start wearing Hawaiian shirts and shorts and grow a mustache real soon ;D