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Post by TVFan on May 29, 2004 16:52:40 GMT -5
It was illegal back in the 60s, but a Supreme Court decision in the 70s made it legal. The case is called Roe vs. Wade and it dealt with who has control over a woman's body. I believe it's also the court decision that gave Americans the implied right to privacy. We learned all of this in my Communication Law class in college, but my memory is little scratchy. Some people are afraid that President Bush will appoint Conservative Supreme Court Justices, and then an abortion case will come before them and they will rule against abortion, therefore making it illegal again. I hope this clarifies.  |
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Post by trublucoldcasefan on May 29, 2004 21:07:02 GMT -5
Thanks TVFan, that helps ;D
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Post by ebron on May 30, 2004 11:14:09 GMT -5
Thanks! Obviously, I need to sharpen up my court history knowledge.
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Post by bliss on Jun 3, 2004 16:24:37 GMT -5
Hi everyone, I know that you don't know me but I am a big Amber Benson fan and I missed this episode that she was in. Does anyone know if it is on the summer rerun schedule, and when it might be aired?
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Post by Naj on Jun 3, 2004 17:54:44 GMT -5
Hi everyone, I know that you don't know me but I am a big Amber Benson fan and I missed this episode that she was in. Does anyone know if it is on the summer rerun schedule, and when it might be aired? Hello Bliss! I don't have anything concrete, just the dates tagged in a thread at the beginning of this forum for reruns for June. If you care to read a detailed synopsis of the episode, you can do that in our Episode Recap forum. My guess is that it will rerun during the summer months and we plan to post it here as they air and as information becomes available. ~Naj |
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Post by bliss on Jun 3, 2004 18:51:23 GMT -5
Thank you so much. I appriciate your help.
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Post by TVFan on Jun 21, 2004 10:17:37 GMT -5
I watched this episode more carefully this time through considering our ongoing discussion of Lilly's past. I know the question has been raised about her possibly having had an abortion when she was younger, and this episode is often used as support (I believe I was one of those who used it). After watching it again, I think Lilly was just invested in the case. The scene in Colette's (?) office where Colette tells Scotty that almost everyone knows someone who has had an abortion (I'm paraphrasing) cuts to a shot of Lilly, but I think it's suppose to show her disdain for Scotty's judgemental attitude. I could be wrong. The one puzzling thing about this episode for me is the ending shot. Lilly takes the picture of Julia and Gerard out of the case box and keeps it. She clutches it close to her after looking at it for a while. Scotty seems to be puzzled as well. I think it's supposed to be left open for interpretation. I got the impression the second time around that she felt that these kids were heroic, and she wanted to honor them. Anyone else have any thoughts? |
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Post by eurache on Jun 21, 2004 22:22:02 GMT -5
Yes, I got that impression b/c she seemed very interested in this case and I felt she wanted to keep that picture of the volunteers. She felt they were heros b/c they saved alot of women to going thru a gruesome/unsanitary way of having an abortion. In fact, some of those ppl who were involved in their lives; they too received pictures.
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Post by eurache on Jun 21, 2004 22:23:16 GMT -5
Bliss..I hope you got a chance to see last nites episode, apparently "Volunteers" was last nite..  |
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Post by TVFan on Jun 22, 2004 10:20:59 GMT -5
Eurache - Good point! I didn't even think about the fact that all of those close to Julia and Gerard also got photos. I bet you're right. Lilly probably felt very invested in these kids after learning everything they had done for others.
On a somewhat related note, I like the way the show almost always closes with a shot of Lilly (it might be every episode, I'll have to watch more closely). It allows us to see how she deals with the outcome, and it brings a sense of closure knowing that she is happy she solved the case. In Volunteers, I thought that the last shot with her was very poignant.
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Post by Ryebeach on Oct 7, 2004 19:31:09 GMT -5
Rerunning October 23rd at 8:00pm EST on CBS.
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Post by marcovalenslassing on May 9, 2005 9:33:39 GMT -5
This episode aired two weeks ago in Italy, and it really struck a chord in me. It was beautifully acted and directed, though can someone describe me the teaser, which I missed?
Thank you already.
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Post by ruda on May 9, 2005 9:50:34 GMT -5
the preview is here: coldcase.free.fr/home.php?page=videos1ep16but you need Windows Media Player I wasn't see this eppy In Poland Cold Case was end in february after 11 episodes by 1st season... Cold Case can be back in June but not on 100% |
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Post by byrdman9802 on Jan 4, 2006 7:05:19 GMT -5
Good morning everyone, Hello, it's the Byrdman coming at you again, I hope that everyone is doing great on this wonderful Wednesday! ;D Yes, the TNTG site says that this episode will re air on Tuesday, January 17 at 10 pm (central time) on channel 245 (TNT on DirecTV). Just some FYI. Thanks for your attention, take care, and have a marvelous day, everyone! |
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Post by LillyKat on Aug 15, 2006 23:34:31 GMT -5
Got to tune into this ep last night on TNT. I thought it was really good. What struck me the most was how "soft" Lilly seemed to be throughout almost the entire episode. She was not her usual hard-charging self until the end (vs. Adam), and yet, I enjoyed this change very much. She was ... well, almost peaceful at times - reflective. The case was arguably one of great sensitivity, and perhaps that was reflected in her approach to how the case was investigated. I read early posts in this thread about whether this episode had suggested Lilly had an abortion. I do not believe this to be the case. Rather, I found her reactions/expressions to be more along the lines of reflecting back on her youth years, particularly in the scene with Renee when Renee discusses being 17 and wanting "more than two city blocks" / get out of Fishtown, etc. I thought Lilly identified directly with that statement/sentiment; she had, as we now know, her own yearnings to escape her upbringings. The photo montage at the end was quite moving - seeing Julie and Gerrard trying to aid so many different women from all different walks of life during a historically dark time for abortion rights. And quite the foreshadowing at the very end, when Lilly pulls the photo of Julie and Gerrard out of the box and KEEPS it - arguably the first sign of the whole keep-the-photos-by-the-bed routine that revealed itself in later seasons. Other highlights: - Lilly walking around all the time with her hands in her pockets ... for some reason, I like this. I don't know why. I guess it's because you never really see women do this - or rarely. Kathryn is tapping into something in that moment to add that little detail to Lilly's overall unique persona, and it is endearing - and intriguing - to me. - Lilly/Scotty/Alyssa ... enjoyed the awkward introduction, and Lilly's subsequent follow-up with Scotty in the kitchen. She sort of went right after him about it, which for me, was nice to see since I have only really gotten to know their relationship POST Season 2 - which as we know had serious tension. Thus, I enjoyed seeing Lilly's more light-hearted banter with Scotty about his girl, and his subsequent foot-in-the-mouth paralysis when excusing away Alyssa's "beautiful" comment to Lilly. Too funny. - Lilly's playfulness with the CSI guy in the kitchen ("Want an Orange Crush?"). It's not the first time we've seen her be able to get other departments to help her out on a case in a very informal way. It kind of suggests to me how well-liked she must be within the department - that they would go to bat for her WITHOUT the Kite-esque strings attached. Good ep.  |
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Post by boxman on Aug 15, 2006 23:46:03 GMT -5
WHOA!!! DID Y'ALL SEE THAT?? HOLY MOLEY!! That one abortion guy did his surgery with BIKE SPOKES. Ya know?? That's pure symbolism SCREAMING soooo LOUDLY!! There were definitely at least three motorcycles in that room!!! Black jackets everywhere too in this episode.... Whoa!! Tell me you folks got it??
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Post by LillyKat on Aug 16, 2006 0:18:47 GMT -5
WHOA!!! DID Y'ALL SEE THAT?? HOLY MOLEY!! That one abortion guy did his surgery with BIKE SPOKES. Ya know?? That's pure symbolism SCREAMING soooo LOUDLY!! There were definitely at least three motorcycles in that room!!! Black jackets everywhere too in this episode.... Whoa!! Tell me you folks got it?? You always catch the symbolism, boxman, but in this case, I have to politely disagree with you if you’re suggesting that a certain motorcycle man helped Lilly have an abortion back in the day. There is discussion in the Lilly Rush folder as to whether Lilly could ever have been pregnant / had a baby / had an abortion. I personally do not feel she did. Quoting TVFan from that thread (who says it better than I ever could): I can't imagine Lilly, the champion of those without voices (her "mutant" cats, victims of unsolved cases), would have been pregnant and aborted the baby. It plays to her character that she would champion children and their causes as well, so I just can't imagine that she would have an abortion. IF she has been pregnant, I would imagine that she either gave the child up for adoption or lost the baby (although as others have said, this would be way too much drama). However, neither scenario seems probable to me, so I don't believe that she has ever been pregnant. Having said all that, I can buy the fact that references to motorcycles, black jackets, young kids / couples at 17, etc. does tie directly to Lilly's youth; her yearnings to escape and become something greater than she was at that moment / wanting get out of her own situation. This, to me, actually seemed to be the larger arc of the episode. But that is just my humble opinion. |
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Post by boxman on Aug 16, 2006 1:45:47 GMT -5
...Having said all that, I can buy the fact that references to motorcycles, black jackets, young kids / couples at 17, etc. does tie directly to Lilly's youth; her yearnings to escape and become something greater than she was at that moment / wanting get out of her own situation. This, to me, actually seemed to be the larger arc of the episode. ... But that is just my humble opinion. Okay..... So you can buy every piece of the puzzle... except for the association between bike spokes and abortion?? Dr. Linden: In the sixties, abortion was illegal. Women still had them of course. Lilly: Coat hangers... Dr. Linden: Knitting needles, ball point pens... *spoiler warning for later episodes* Of all the instruments that could have been used, why bike spokes? Don't forget that not only is a motorcycle essentially a bicycle with an engine... but also that one of Lilly's most important childhood memories is of riding a bike (as revealed in Season Three's "One Night"). This episode's flashback scene of the lady's abortion has so many elements similar to Lilly's personal life that it couldn't be mere coincidence, don't you think?? I can't imagine Lilly, the champion of those without voices (her "mutant" cats, victims of unsolved cases), would have been pregnant and aborted the baby. It plays to her character that she would champion children and their causes as well, so I just can't imagine that she would have an abortion. IF she has been pregnant, I would imagine that she either gave the child up for adoption or lost the baby (although as others have said, this would be way too much drama). However, neither scenario seems probable to me, so I don't believe that she has ever been pregnant. Funny, because I would think that these factors strongly indicate a tragic period in Lilly's life, such as having to face the difficult and heart-wrenching decision to have an abortion--and actually going through with it. Such a tragedy would explain to me why Lilly has difficulty in getting intimate with men and concentrates so much time with work (like her messed-up late-night priorities in the upcoming Season One episode, "Lover's Lane"), and with her strong interest in finding meaning to people's deaths. Compare her to the other detectives: Scotty had a fiance die on him; Jeffries wife died suddenly in an auto accident; Stillman was a POW, likely saw comrades die, and had marriage and family difficulties; and Nick and Julie tried many times to get a baby to no success. It's not uncommon for people to deal with losses by burying themselves with work--Work allows individuals to avoid facing and dealing with the emotions that haunt them. This kind of "dedication to work" is especially true with people who don't have strong family ties, as in the case of almost every one of the detectives (with the exception of Kat Miller). Sorry, but I don't think Lilly is much different from the other detectives, and these things TVFan mentions indicates to me that there's probably a tragic past in her recent adult history we haven't seen yet... An abortion seems to fit the picture, especially considering how this show is essentially tragic in nature ....  ...though again, this could also be a big set-up by the writers for a major curveball too...  --- The address of Dr. L's abortion clinic actually is in West Philly, and the architecture on the show is rather accurate for homes in that area... --- Nice little "Inside Joke" in one of the final scenes: Scotty: You're an excellent photographer. Composition. Framing... Lilly: Especially framing.... And then, the show's cameraman does one of the most simplist, basic mistakes in photography: the "pole growing out of a person's head". ;D So funny! Look at the beat cop behind and to Lilly's right. He has a "One-Way" sign growing out of his head, and Lilly's hand and shoulder constantly blocks the poor guy's face. Scotty: You got sloppy that day.... |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Aug 16, 2006 7:52:38 GMT -5
How ironic that this episode reaired yesterday which was the anniversary of the start of the orginal woodstock in 69.
I noticed something at the end, as Lilly is looking at the picture she looks pretty sad and holds the picture closer to her. Could this be a sign that she could have possibly had one and nobody was there to comfort her like Julia was there for the women??
Here some else I noticed that was symbolic the snow on the ground as the bodies were discovered, the white snow symbolized peace.
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Post by LillyKat on Aug 16, 2006 13:28:18 GMT -5
Okay..... So you can buy every piece of the puzzle... except for the association between bike spokes and abortion?? I'm not questioning the association of bike spokes - or any other sharp / needle-like object back in the day - and abortion. I am questioning the suggestion of Lilly ever HAVING an abortion. For me, it doesn't fit the bill due to my own perceptions of her character. IMHO, she was essentially an adult at 10-years-old - father out of the picture, on welfare, had to take care of her less-than-stellar mother as well as her sister. How does someone steeped that deeply in reality at that young of age allow herself to get even deeper into a dark reality of unwanted pregnancy and/or abortion? Yes, accidents happen. Yes, people make poor choices (which Lilly has). However, she would, IMO, be way too street-smart to be quite so careless with her life and/or anyone else's life. I am highly doubtful, given her harsh childhood reality, that she would ever have a) put herself in physical danger; b) put anyone else in danger - unborn child or otherwise. She is/was an island unto herself. IMHO, she was simply trying to survive - and escape - her upbringing. Getting pregnant / having an abortion would have seriously complicated any chance of that, and I think Lilly would not have done that willingly to herself. Chalk it up to her own selfishness, her own reserve, her own determination to NOT end up husband-less with two kids on welfare (a lá mom). Again, my own opinion. And it's likely we'll agree to disagree on this issue, boxman. Always interesting to hear your side, though. |
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...though again, this could also be a big set-up by the writers for a major curveball too... 
