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Post by mikencelia on Aug 6, 2006 9:49:01 GMT -5
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Aug 6, 2006 9:51:01 GMT -5
I think i've said too much already but boxman did bring up a lot points about this ... But I do agree with you Mikencelia, about how the show uses old stereotypes without knowledge, but then again it's just a tv show. Maybe that's good writing from the writers to keep us as viewers questioning about figuering out fact from fiction...
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Post by boxman on Aug 6, 2006 12:01:24 GMT -5
This episode's portrayal of Nuns and orphanages is seemingly critical of Christianity. . I think it is critical of nuns and the Catholic Church because it plays on old stereotypes without knowledge of or attention to the facts of religious life. True, I agree that the episode played on bad stereotypes. It even started with the kids playing a game of "Cowboys and Indians", another bad stereotype. It seems that the writers knew this, and so the purpose of the "Alice in Wonderland" allusion was to indicate that the storyline is either unusual or unrealistic. Similar to what Alice had experienced in Wonderland, the entire episode is a scary dream of a series of disturbing revelations that contained sarcastic caricatures of real-world individuals. This kind of allusion to outside literature and fiction is used often in this series, such as the allusion in "Joseph" to the movie "Laura", for example, or the "Beautiful Little Fool" reference to "The Great Gatsby". |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Aug 6, 2006 12:07:07 GMT -5
Boxman - you really getting me thinking about this whole thing. Maybe these reference alliude to something in CC like a hidden message, perhaps.
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Post by eurache on Jan 12, 2008 19:52:30 GMT -5
RE-AIRING JANUARY 15TH, 2008
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Post by eurache on Jun 7, 2008 10:13:00 GMT -5
TNT REPEAT - JUNE 12, 2008 (4AM)
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Post by eurache on Aug 9, 2008 9:49:21 GMT -5
TNT REPEAT - 8/12/08 - 4AM ET
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Post by stillmanfan on May 11, 2010 10:15:27 GMT -5
Good episode but I wonder if a friend of Grace had left the suitcase on the church doorstep.
I don't know how old she was when she died but seems she may not have been able to take it and drop it off.
I can't imagine being Arnold's sister and finding out the church lied to you but I would have thought she would have been very upset at the nun for even letting her suggest he was her sister.
I don't know if you'd remember 10 or 15 years from your age to meet at the barn stable when you turn 18.
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Post by bubba91 on May 12, 2010 19:41:59 GMT -5
i love this show but damn this was a brutal episode. Poor little kid. Hopefully they can solve the real life "Boy in the Box" case of this in Philadelphia too
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Post by cclatinfan on May 13, 2010 9:37:10 GMT -5
This is one of my favorite episodes, but it's so, so sad.I always cried at the end of this epi. what happened to this boy is so sad. I'm sure you'd remember to meet your sister or brother at a barn 10 or 15 years from now, specially if you were separated from him/her when you were younger...I would! |
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Post by bubba91 on May 13, 2010 11:32:53 GMT -5
I'm sure you'd remember to meet your sister or brother at a barn 10 or 15 years from now, specially if you were separated from him/her when you were younger...I would! yeah especially in the situation they were in at an orphanage like that. Also how sister vivian was to Arnold. He which he thought was a very grateful big sister. |
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Post by nomnivore on Apr 17, 2011 2:03:52 GMT -5
Lovely episode.
I was a bit disappointed to find that it was based on a real unsolved case. I don't mind it when they base it on real cases (like Love Conquers Al), but the fact the case is still unsolved makes me feel a bit weird. I guess it may have bought attention to the real Boy in the Box.
This was quite sad, with no one to blame. Grace loved Arnold so much that she wanted him to be treated, not knowing that it would kill him. Clayton made a big mistake, but he was trying to do what he thought was right. Sister Vivian was pretty awful when she was younger, but she seemed regretful when she was older.
I'm guessing it was Sister Vivian who sent the box to Homicide that opened up the whole case. She must have felt she could bring peace to Arnold now that Grace was dead.
I don't know much about being a nun, but I assume it must have been very hard to leave the orders once you had become a nun. It also would have been very hard for Grace to have raised Arnold on her own. Still, if Clayton was Arnold's father, surely he and Grace could have moved to another town as soon as she realised she was pregnant, so that they could live as a family and start afresh?
It was awful what the orphanage put the kids through. I can't believe the experiments they did on those poor kids. How terrible. Poor Gretchen, believing all this time she had a brother out there, only to find out he was dead and was never her brother.
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Post by andp on Dec 11, 2022 20:14:59 GMT -5
Today I got to meet Autumn Reeser and we spoke a bit about this episode. She said that it wonderful to work on and she was very grateful for the experience, as it was earlier on in her career and gave her a complex character. The part was indeed a great chance for her to show what she could do and I think she really nailed it.
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Post by ceifletcher on Jan 28, 2024 11:06:23 GMT -5
Hi - Did I miss it or did they discuss what happened to Arnold's father - the guy who performed the "treatment" on Arnold? Seems to me if he was still alive, they should arrest him. But like they said, back in 1958, they thought it was okay to do those kinds of things. Not sure about that one. What do you think? I mean, it was definitely wrong what happened but can you convict someone today for what they thought was appropriate medical procedure back then? This surely was a very sad episode. I must also say that I really love this show!!!!  Was he Arnold's father? I kinda felt he wasn't, when the treatment was suggested he never says that's our son, or my son or even your son. Also he was only early to mid 20s. So would've been studying medicine when Arnold was born. I felt he only ever knew Grace as a nun and was courting her without knowing her past. What gets me about this episode is who left the box with the hat (and it appears some other belongings of Arnold) and the picture/note with his name. Wasn't the mother superior wasn't the sister or any of the kids at the home with him. Confused about that |
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