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Post by Naj on Feb 15, 2004 21:09:44 GMT -5
LILLY AND SCOTT RE-OPEN THE UNSOLVED 1958 MURDER OF A 6-YEAR-OLD ORPHANED BOY.
Guest Cast List:
Roger (2003): Garrett M. Brown
Roger (Cowboy, 1958): Andrew Heald
Arnold Collier (1958): Lyndon Smith
Gretchen (2003): Moll Cheek
Gretchen (1958): Blaire Restaneo
Sister Vivian (1958): Johanna Watts
Sister Vivian (2003): Samantha Eggar
Sister Grace (1958): Autumn Reeser
Walter (2003): Charles Noland
Young Woman (1958): Gathering Marbet
Dr. Thayer: Bruce Gray
Elisa: Marisol Nichols
Sally Bower (2003): Jacquiline Scott
Clayton Weathers (1958): Ryan Tasz
Young Man (1958): Jason Frasca
Wow!
That was truly sad. How cruel people truly are and what lengths one goes to cover their own butts.
~Naj
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Post by feeling bad on Feb 15, 2004 21:14:11 GMT -5
Wow. That was heart wrenching. Is it wrong for me to feel bad for Grace?  |
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Post by kristen on Feb 15, 2004 21:15:48 GMT -5
Okay I'm slow. That last post was from me. My first time here and I messed up pretty early.  Sorry about that. |
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Post by Naj on Feb 15, 2004 21:17:41 GMT -5
Hello feeling bad,
I felt bad for Grace but a part of me just doesn't accept the cruelty of individuals. I mean she took him out in the woods and left him to rot in a box and she's a nun.
~Naj
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Post by kristen on Feb 15, 2004 21:22:01 GMT -5
I completely agree. I felt bad for her, but she made a few bad decisions and leaving him to rot in a box is bad. So, yeah. I agree. By the way, I thought where it said "name" was supposed to be the name of the topic and I thought I was logged in. DOH.  |
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Post by Naj on Feb 15, 2004 21:24:50 GMT -5
By the way, I thought where it said "name" was supposed to be the name of the topic and I thought I was logged in. DOH. lol. I know what happened to you. I've done that before. No problem!  Welcome to the board! ;D I'm wondering what they could really charge the two with? They certainly tried to cover up his death. There's a part of me that knows this has to be a true story too! ~Naj |
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Post by Lisa on Feb 15, 2004 22:21:38 GMT -5
Hi - Did I miss it or did they discuss what happened to Arnold's father - the guy who performed the "treatment" on Arnold? Seems to me if he was still alive, they should arrest him. But like they said, back in 1958, they thought it was okay to do those kinds of things. Not sure about that one. What do you think? I mean, it was definitely wrong what happened but can you convict someone today for what they thought was appropriate medical procedure back then? This surely was a very sad episode. I must also say that I really love this show!!!!  |
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Post by kristen on Feb 15, 2004 22:40:50 GMT -5
It's definitely something to wonder about. What did happen to Arnold's father? Considering law is my area, you would think I'd know.  I think it's one of those things where it is only illegal if it was in the law books at the time, which it wasn't. Vivian was the one to bury him as well, but maybe they didn't arrest her for things like the fact that she was a nun. That shouldn't matter know. And the fact that it wasn't and intentional murder or anything. Maybe she is on probation?  Thanks for the welcome, Naj. I watched the show tonight and knew I had to find a message board! ;D I am a Xena fanatic and Najara was one of my favorite characters. So, here I am! Awesome show!! ;D |
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Post by Mercury on Feb 15, 2004 22:47:41 GMT -5
Wow. This was really, really good. Definitely better than "The Letter", which I enjoyed primarily for the note exchanges. [<-- Is a SAP.] I cried at the end. For some reason seeing that scene with the boy walk across the ring, with Gretchen and Grace and everyone . . .  CBS really likes to make me cry, don't they? Between this and the WaT episode "Wannabe", I've cried enough this week to fill a bucket or two. Aww, Scotty still has his mysterious thing going with the mysterious people. His fan club again, perhaps? The only scene I didn't like was Arthur's death scene. The actress who played Grace was excellent, but the way he died right after saying something about the horses was kind of cheesy and not done very well. Eh. That's just me. But I kept expecting Grace to lean over and say, "Arthur - I am your mother", to which he would reply "Noooooooooooo" before dying. Alas, I'll have to wait for the next episode for that. |
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Post by dan on Feb 15, 2004 23:21:47 GMT -5
Does anyone know who a lot of the music was by? It sounded like it could have been Ricky Nelson.
Dan
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Post by cat on Feb 16, 2004 1:16:55 GMT -5
Fell asleep. Who killed the kid? What were they doing to them at the clinic? Was he Grace the Nun's son?
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Post by kristen on Feb 16, 2004 1:28:40 GMT -5
Well Arnold was Grace's son and she was "with" Clayton a guy who worked in behavior and she asked him to use the treatment they used on the adults on Arnold because she wanted his behavior to get better so badly so that he would be adopted. The treatment ended up killing him. Grace and Vivian put his body in the box and ...well you know the rest. At the clinic they were doing radiation tests on the boys because of the radiation scare back then. I hope that helped. ;D |
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Post by Falling on Feb 16, 2004 11:57:19 GMT -5
I'd like to point out all the exact similarities to the real-life- "Boy In The Box" case, otherwise known as "Little Boy Blue". The poor boy was found in a box...frozen, blue. The poster on the show with the downturned head, and the propped up in clothing...dead-on. I've seen the real posters, and the similarities were jaw-dropping. The town he was found in named him "Matthew", and even raised up the money to properly bury him. It's touching but very sad.
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Post by kristen on Feb 16, 2004 12:03:25 GMT -5
Ugh. That's really sad. Interesting information though.
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Post by Naj on Feb 16, 2004 12:13:21 GMT -5
We could certainly use a person knowledgable about law on this board! So those of you who know speak up and give us all the legal definitions! The treatment Clayton gave Arnold was only approved for adults so he should be charged with something in addition to conspiracy to cover it up along with Vivian who is the one who took the boy to the woods. ~Naj
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Post by misguided freak on Feb 16, 2004 12:15:44 GMT -5
Once again, we didn't get this episode up here in Canada. We got shrek instead  |
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Post by kristen on Feb 16, 2004 12:18:38 GMT -5
Yup yup. That sounds about right. Conspiracy to cover it up = not good.
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Post by Naj on Feb 16, 2004 12:22:38 GMT -5
Once again, we didn't get this episode up here in Canada. We got shrek instead I'd call and complain. Someone I know in New Zealand is going to be getting the show. Write them and complain! ~Naj |
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Post by Naj on Feb 16, 2004 12:25:27 GMT -5
I'd like to point out all the exact similarities to the real-life- "Boy In The Box" case, otherwise known as "Little Boy Blue". The poor boy was found in a box...frozen, blue. The poster on the show with the downturned head, and the propped up in clothing...dead-on. I've seen the real posters, and the similarities were jaw-dropping. The town he was found in named him "Matthew", and even raised up the money to properly bury him. It's touching but very sad. Really? What state was that and was it in the late 50's? Do you know if this story was similar with the nuns or did they change things around? ~Naj |
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Post by Bev Vincent on Feb 16, 2004 12:35:13 GMT -5
So, who left the suitcase for the cops?
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Sorry about that.
I think it's one of those things where it is only illegal if it was in the law books at the time, which it wasn't. Vivian was the one to bury him as well, but maybe they didn't arrest her for things like the fact that she was a nun. That shouldn't matter know. 
CBS really likes to make me cry, don't they? Between this and the WaT episode "Wannabe", I've cried enough this week to fill a bucket or two. 
