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Post by halohead29 on Feb 16, 2004 13:00:07 GMT -5
Really? What state was that and was it in the late 50's? Do you know if this story was similar with the nuns or did they change things around? ~Naj The case I know about took place in Nebraska in the mid 80s. They called it the Little Boy Blue case and they did name the unknown child Matthew. I don't think this boy was found in a box, just his blue sleeper. Turned out the boy was killed by his father an ex-Amish. There is a book written on the case called Abandoned Prayers by Gregg Olsen. Hope this helps you. |
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Post by halohead29 on Feb 16, 2004 13:11:26 GMT -5
Cold Case is my favorite new show of the season. I love the way they jump back and forth between past and present. Great soundtrack too. Kathryn Morris is Lilly Rush.
Last night's episode was my favorite of the season so far. I too missed who sent the box or if they even if they knew.
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Post by fish on Feb 16, 2004 13:57:37 GMT -5
I cried near the end of the episode; it was so sad, Arnold and Grace at the horse fair, and Gretchen watching and all that stuff, and that kind of leave me depressed for rest of the night. Like Mercury, I kept expecting Grace to lean over and tell Arnold that she's his mother... but that didn't happen  ... Ah, and the part about Scotty's mysterious phone calls/meetings, and the teasing he received for that... "I'd love to see Scotty's black book." ;D that was like... priceless... I was like "awwww..."  I wonder what's going to happen to Sister Vivian and Arnold's father, though? Sister Vivian probably will be free to go since she's a nun... but I still think that Arnold's father should be arrested if he's alive; after all he knew that the treatment was for adult only and side effects and all that stuff, and because of his knowledge on the treatment he shouldn't have performed it on Arnold in the first place, no matter how hard Grace begged him. |
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Post by CC Fan on Feb 16, 2004 16:43:08 GMT -5
hey all! Sorry I haven't been around much, but it's good to see we've got some new members. Anyway, as usual, I loved last nights episode, I thought the acting was great, but Mercury I have to agree with you, the last scene where he says he's gonna meet them at the horse thing, I almost started laughing. But oh well, it was really good besides that part.
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Post by Naj on Feb 17, 2004 9:08:16 GMT -5
So, who left the suitcase for the cops? Hello Bev and Welcome! Nice to see you here. I was thinking about this and thought maybe it was Clayton but then I have no idea how he got hold of all those items. He, evidently, was the one who could never get over it. ~Naj |
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Post by Guest on Feb 17, 2004 12:01:35 GMT -5
This episode was based on a real "Boy In The Box" case that took place in Philadelphia in 1957 and is unsolved. More info here: boyinthebox.hypermart.net/ |
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Post by Falling on Feb 17, 2004 18:27:39 GMT -5
Oh, sorry, Halohead was right. Little Boy Blue was in Nebraska. Woops. The posters still hold true for the real 57 case.
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Post by zirconia on Feb 18, 2004 17:42:38 GMT -5
Just a quick question: Do we know who "Allysa" (Alissa?) is? The one who called Scotty? Or are we being kept in the dark for a while?
(I had the creepeist thought that Scotty got her pregnant when I first heard him on his phone. I don't know why, it just kinda seemed like that but then I figured I was just being weird. Plus, Scotty would'nt do that.)
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Post by lizzbitt on Feb 19, 2004 6:16:17 GMT -5
This episode was the most touching so far. I think all the cases they've showed on this show are touching, but this one broke my heart. Yep! I cried for those kids who had to indure the experiments. No one to protect them. No one cared.  I can't remember names in this episode. But I can remember Arnold. To see him lying in that box, from an experiment gone wrong was too much for me. I know the mother was confused when she had the child. I'm sure she was trying to find Arnold a good adopted home but what type of nun or mother would live in secrets and lies like that and still call herself a servant of God? And what type of Nun would take a body out to the woods, place it in a box. Come back and go to services like it was nothing? I know it weighed heavy on her conscience all those years but not enough to confess. I really don't understand that. Who was Arnold's dad anyway? And how did Arnold and Grace become a family? She never knew he was not her brother? I most have missed that part. It was a very good episode. lizzbitt |
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Post by tarikdragonblood on Feb 19, 2004 11:19:32 GMT -5
I'd like to point out all the exact similarities to the real-life- "Boy In The Box" case, otherwise known as "Little Boy Blue". The poor boy was found in a box...frozen, blue. The poster on the show with the downturned head, and the propped up in clothing...dead-on. I've seen the real posters, and the similarities were jaw-dropping. The town he was found in named him "Matthew", and even raised up the money to properly bury him. It's touching but very sad. See, that's weird. If I'm not mistaken (and it could be my failing eyesight due to playing on this computer and staring at the screen for years), they USUALLY start the episode out with - "this story is based on real life events" - this one started out with "This is based on purely fictional characters"-- Or am I totally wrong? I can handle it. It's been known to happen. ;D |
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Post by Naj on Feb 19, 2004 14:16:15 GMT -5
hi lizzbitt, i'm confused. was grace the sister and gretchen the mother nun? i thought arnold's dad was clayton the guy at the clinic that gave him electric shock and could never get over his death and visited the box. and it was kinda funny that a 46 year old box still looked like a box.  i didn't understand how grace didn't know that arnold wasn't her brother either. guess it's a good reason to watch it again. that was terrible that vivian just took him to the woods like that! why? Hi Tarik, I've always just thought the stories are ficition. Unless some are based on fiction and others aren't? ~Naj |
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Post by suz on Apr 15, 2004 18:33:04 GMT -5
What was the name of the orphange in this episode?
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Post by Tati on Apr 19, 2004 8:07:48 GMT -5
the orphanage's name was Fernwood.
After giving this episode a lot of thought, I think that the person who left the suitcase was Grace (Vivian says she died recently, and we don´t how long it took for them to find the suitcase) - or Grace asked someone to do it for her.
Anyway, I was shocked by their atitude - I felt we were supposed to feel a little bit sorry for Vivian, because she wasn´t as mean as we thought and she helped Grace all the way but... I think Vivian should´ve been punished somehow.
I also thought it was weird they didn´t even try to look for Clayton... maybe 1 hour isn´t enough to talk about everything and everyone.
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Post by byrdman9802 on Dec 21, 2005 6:46:57 GMT -5
Good morning all, Hello, it's the Byrdman just dropping you a line today. I hope that the week is progressing well for all too, just as it is for me. On TNT's site, it is noted that this ep will re0air on that channel on Tuesday, January 3 at 10 pm (central time) on channel 245 (TNT on DirecTV). Just wanted to let you all know if you wanted to check this ep out. It is a good one indeed!  Take care, and have a great day, everyone! |
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Post by r2k on Jan 4, 2006 11:15:32 GMT -5
I noticed a timeline mistake in this one. Sister Grace's tombstone has her birthdate as 1936. If Arnold was 6 in 1958, how could she have been pregnant at 18 like Sister Vivian said. I wonder if they made a change while filming the episode and couldn't fix the tombstone.
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Post by foxfire0114 on Jan 4, 2006 16:04:40 GMT -5
I didn't notice that, R2K. You have a good eye for detail. I'll have to check that out... I didn't pay much attention to the dates on the tombstone!
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Post by bethanywood on Jan 4, 2006 18:05:19 GMT -5
I can't help but giggle at that little "Stars wars" jab! Unless you haven't you seen Star Wars! ;D
I watched the episode and I was really surprised at how nobody got arrested! I also loved the little jabs at scotty. I have to say, lily, stillman, scotty, vera and jefferied are really cool cops to be around. They have such good sense of humor and chemistry.
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Post by r2k on Jan 4, 2006 18:53:19 GMT -5
I wondered that too. I guess after all these years there is not much you can do. Besides, Sister Vivian just covered the death up. And since it was unintentional I guess they figured it was pointless to prosecute. In this case, learning the truth was more important.
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Post by LillyKat on Aug 2, 2006 13:02:42 GMT -5
Tuned into this re-run last night on TNT ... good ep. Really intricate story, I thought. And sad. Sort of tugged at my heartstrings a bit.
Key points in the ep for me:
Meredith wrote the ep ... Lilly always seems much more crusader-like when Meredith is the storyteller - at least to me.
Lilly vs. Vivian ... that was a classic. The mix of sarcasm, persistence, cunning, determination - just drilling a NUN of all people. Lilly was in her zone on that one, and I thought it ranked up there as one of her best interrogations that I've seen thus far from her.
Sister Vivian ... thought she was just going to be the villain all the way through, so I was pleasantly surprised in how she softened a bit at the end and actually ended up doing what she did for Grace. I found her actions more desperate as opposed to truly evil or cruel. Sad all the way around, though.
Casting of Young Sister Vivian/Old Sister Vivian ... brilliant. Right down to accent - not always easy to master whether natural or learned. Cheers to the CC casting crew once again - they are so underrated.
Stillman/Lilly ... too funny when he sits down to help her out with the search on the computer after Scotty leaves for his personal issue. "Is it on?" Again, just sort of highlights their very close, mentor/pupil relationship.
ADA Joke ... loved the ribbing Lilly took from the guys about getting help from an ADA. And that Stillman, of all people, was the one to throw in the "Know anyone?" line. Great chemistry from the whole cast in that short scene.
The medial experiments in the 50s/60s ... creepy, awful and yet so true. The way Dr. Thayer was so matter-of-fact to Lilly and Scotty about the realities of medical experiments of that time was a chilling reminder about just how indifferent (and uninformed) everyone was to the effects of some truly "barbaric" practices. Well-written.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Aug 2, 2006 13:07:41 GMT -5
I loved that scene too with Lilly/Stillman.. I am in totally agree with the medical experiments from the 50's, one thing really bothered me. If Grace loved Arnold and being Clayton told her that this treatment wasn't for kids ,why did she do it anyway. Why would a mother do that to her own child or even witness it?
Was it possible that before Grace died she was the one who left the suitcase on the church steps?
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