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Post by Naj on May 25, 2004 10:07:36 GMT -5
*bump*
Glued reairs this Sunday, May 30 at 8 pm (EST)
*Oh Geez, this is the one I promised I would do a recap for by the end of May. I better watch it.*
~Naj
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Post by TVFan on Jun 2, 2004 10:56:49 GMT -5
I rewatched the episode Sunday, and I remember now why it was one of my favorites of the season. The humor in this episode was fabulous. How funny was the "No drugs today" scene with Vera, Valens, and Jeffries? Classic! Lilly was quite fiesty in this one too. I loved her reaction to Scotty's suggestion that she's "in a relationship with ADA Kite." She had this look on her face like she was just appauled. The fry scene is a classic too. I loved the way she played it cool with Kite in his office and at her house. Plus, I thought it was great when she didn't let their evening go any further than a kiss. Interesting observation... in Hubris, Kite seemed to have all of the control. He made her go to dinner and then told her he was going to kiss her. In this episode, Lilly took the wheel. She had the power to call him, and even though Kite tried to take it back when he showed up at the police station, Lilly took it right back at her house. You go Lilly! It set up an interesting dynamic, especially since we now know that Kite ended up with the final control. The last scene with Lilly in bed...this scene puzzles me even after reading all of your comments. I'm not exactly sure if I get it (although I think that it's very poignant). My theory is that it's in there to contrast the earlier scene with Kite. What's great about the scene is that it shows us so much about Lilly without saying a word. I think it's one of the best scenes of the season simply because it says so much without saying anything at all. It really demonstrates the artful masterpiece that is Cold Case.  |
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Post by blankregus on Jun 2, 2004 15:22:26 GMT -5
Good perceptions, TVFan. "Glued" definitely belongs on the top rung of episodes. It's hard to think of another current show that so rewards repeat viewings. Clearly worth the shelf space taping involves -- until the discs come out. (Hope, hope.)
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Post by TVFan on Jun 3, 2004 9:55:34 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more Blankregus. The way that CC blends the cases, character development, and scattered bits of the personnal lives of the detectives into each episode makes repeat viewing very rewarding. I find myself picking up on things that I missed the first time around.
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Post by TVFan on Aug 9, 2004 10:55:03 GMT -5
Reruns (again) Sun, Aug 15th.  |
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Post by Tati on Aug 14, 2004 21:17:57 GMT -5
I rewatched this episode yesterday, and I think maybe I should have put it in my top 5. It's not so visually shocking as other murders, but it made me feel really sad - how people can take other people's lives for no reason.
And that scene where the mother tells how she prayed to God take away her burden... that was sooo sad ! Sure she couldn't go to church after that.
One last thing... that scene when Stillman is telling Lilly about how that case made him lose his daughter's birth... I have a question about it. Stillman says to Lilly that he really wants the case solved, so he can put an end on it, etc, and she's says "I get." He anwers "No you don't. But one day you will". When will she get it? When she has a kid? When she misses an important moment of her life because of case she can't solve?
Did anyone catch what he meant here?
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Post by blankregus on Aug 14, 2004 22:24:00 GMT -5
Hi, Tatiana. Good thoughts, thanks. I took Stillman's enigmatic line to mean, "Someday you'll have a case you can't solve that eats you up." "Glued" makes my top 6 easily. I've long admired John Finn's incisive / subtle character work; he had strong runs on "Brooklyn South," "NYPD Blue" and "The X Files." Any episode that gives him more to do thrills me. And there's also the french fries, "No drugs today," and Cyclops and Tripod. I love Lilly's concern for her mentor, beautifully expressed -- getting him out of his office to tour the original crime scene with the team. All fine stuff.  |
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Post by Tracylynn on Aug 15, 2004 23:52:06 GMT -5
Okay, this was my first time watching this episode all the way. The other times it was on I was at work doing some OT and I forgot to set the DVD recorder. Of course, I had to wait an extra hour to see it because of golf but it was worth it.
Anyhow, I have a few comments to make. First of all, this episode was funny. I loved it when the guys are sitting in lawn chairs on the corner. That was funny. And the comments they were making such as "No drugs today" were good. Of course, the comment the lady made to Jeffries and Vera about the blubber was good. The look on their face was timeless.
Secondly, the part with french fires was classic. No girl wants the guy that she likes catching her eating, especially if it's fast food. I know I don't. Her look was also timeless.
Thirdly, the part with the cats really says it all. As a society, we tend to push aside and forget about things. When it comes to animals if they happen to be deformed in any way that tends to happen a lot. Compare it to the cases. If they are not solved they are put aside and forgotten. And it's all because there is a piece missing. These cats and cases are missing something and Lily doesn't push them aside and ignore them. She cares and so does the rest of the team.
As my favorite writer, who happens to be a Forensic Anthropologist, said in one of her books..."the dead can not speak therefore it is our job to do the speaking because no one else will. They have to speak and if they don't then these cases go unsolved and forgotten". I'm quoting that as best as I can so I might be off on the words.
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Post by MrsB on Aug 16, 2004 0:19:51 GMT -5
This was the first time I've seen this episode (last two I hadn't seen) so I was glad it was on! I liked it a lot but I knew early on that the store clerk (Murphy) had something to do with it! Maybe it's the inner detective in me or that I've learned a few investigative skills from this show! (LOL) Anyway, now I know what all the "fries" references are on this board!  Another great episode! LOVE this show!!! ;D |
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Post by Naj on Aug 16, 2004 8:42:49 GMT -5
Hi tatania
Yes, I wondered about that. He lost his marriage over it I guess. That was his point that I believe you get so involved in a case that it affects your personal life. Look what happened between Lilly and Kite...that's how it ended. Interesting.
~Naj
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Post by TVFan on Aug 16, 2004 10:36:28 GMT -5
Naj - Very interesting point. I guess the whole Kite thing did give her a small taste of how the job can really affect your personal life (if she hadn't experienced this b/f). I wonder if there are any cases from her "current case" days that she wasn't able to close.
I think it's hard for her to fully understand what Stillman was saying b/c it seems that she doesn't get too close to people other than those she works with. It seems to be by design, and maybe this is part of the reason (although I think that a bigger chunk of the reason has something to do with past experiences). I'm just glad that the recent articles posted on here alluded to the fact that we will learn more about Lilly this coming season! ;D
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Post by Tati on Aug 16, 2004 12:47:55 GMT -5
Naj and TV Fan - I thought about that possibility, but I seriously doubt Lilly never missed anything really important because of her job before. I also thought maybe he meant she'll understand when she can't solve a case, but again, I doubt she solved all the cases she worked on (however we don't for how long she's been a detective. I'm still puzzled by Stillman's remark.  |
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Post by byrdman9802 on Dec 7, 2005 19:34:22 GMT -5
Good evening everyone, Hello, it's the Byrdman coming at you today. I hope that everyone is rocking and rolling through their weeks as you know I am. Hey, I just wanted to let you all know that this ep will be re-aired on TNT. The repeat will happen on Tuesday, December 20 at 10 pm (central time) on channel 245 (TNT on DirecTV). Just some info for those interested. Take care, and please keep rocking today, everyone! |
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Post by anna16profiler on Dec 8, 2005 7:32:36 GMT -5
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Post by LillyKat on Jul 19, 2006 12:54:18 GMT -5
Tuned into the re-run last night on TNT. Have to say, I really, really liked this episode for its Lilly/Stillman emphasis, not for the Kite sub-plot. As I mentioned with the recent viewing of S3's "Honor," I really enjoy watching the Lilly/Stillman dynamic - there is a true, genuine mentor/apprentice relationship, coupled with a father-figure angle that is just beautifully done. It's a wonderful combination of delicacy and strength. He is her teacher - wise, skilled and wanting to share both on a personal and professional level. The exchange between her/him in his office where he says she "doesn't get it - not yet," but she will and hopefully sooner than he did. I took this as he truly wants to see Lilly have some balance in her life, and to NOT make the mistakes he made in allowing work to erode his personal life. I also loved the opening sequence, with Lilly coming down to get Stillman as he was revisiting the old case. I took that whole sequence as he actually wanted Lilly to find him there, lamenting over the fact that he could not solve the case years back, and thus, wanted to have her - arguably his star pupil - take over and solve what he could not. That is the ultimate compliment to Lilly's abilities as a detective, and I enjoy how Stillman is not so hung up on ego that he genuinely gives Lilly these opportunities to see her shine - even if he has to take a back seat in the process. They work so well together. The actor who played young Stillman - WOW! Talk about a double. He had the whole stern jaw, accent/talk without hardly moving lips thing down. Great casting job. The tie to Stillman's personal life was also really enjoyable - and I liked how we saw this close the episode (in addition to Lilly settling in at home, too). There was a simultaneous sense of peace that I thought was expressed by the cut between Stillman with his daughter, and Lilly letting her hair down as she climbs into bed with the cats. The "No drugs today" routine was hysterical - far more hysterical than the version in "Saving Patrick Bubley." Seeing as I saw the Bubley version first, this helped fill in the gaps as to how this routine came to be. As for Lilly/Kite ... definitely feeling like Kite is pushing the whole relationship. I actually like how Lilly is keeping him at bay and not suddenly falling over, swooning. She doesn't call him. She doesn't hang on his every word - at least not overtly. Hysterical when Scotty says, "You have a relationship with ADA Kite?" Now, I like what Kite brings out in Lilly (e.g., in his office, kind of stumbling - in a charming way - over discussing the "kiss"). But, I am NOT digging the whole vibe that he essentially wanted something in return from her - of a questionable nature - for simply doing her a favor for her case. We all do favors for each other at work - even people who are seeing each other off-hours. That does NOT equate to having to put out for simply getting some help from a co-worker/associate. If it did, my whole building would be sleeping with each other.  Thus, I feel like Kite is not being cool, here. Instead, it's starting to appear like the typical guy wanting to essentially get with a hot chick any way he can - however suave he may be. He is becoming "conquesty" to me - like Lilly is this challenge to be conquered. True, she is a challenge, but she is not a conquest. She has her own issues about even dealing with a man's advances - Should I, shouldn't I, what is this, do I want it, etc. But, Kite's motives, to me, are starting to appear questionable - as if he just wants to sleep with her and get it over with to say, "Hey, I did Rush." Apologies if that sounds too forward or too harsh. I still do think Kite is a good guy ... but with last week's impromptu-rather-forward-kiss in "Hubris," and now the whole so-what-are-you-going-to-do-for-me inference, call-me-at-any-hour suggestion after helping her cut through some red tape on her case ... not really liking that too much, and seems he just wants a booty call. LOL! |
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Post by frenchfan on Jul 19, 2006 13:56:06 GMT -5
I like very much your analysis Lillykat.
In particular the very just way how you describe the relation between Lilly and Stillman. I believe that he is really very paternel and protector with her, a little as if it was her second "daughter". (see ep 23, I do not want to lose her as I lost my daughter).
Lilly from his part has a lot of admiration, respect and certainly affection for him. Even if many things are in the unspoken.
I like very much the interaction between these two characters.
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Post by TVFan on Jul 19, 2006 20:07:16 GMT -5
Like LillyKat and others, I have been watching a lot of these S1 reruns and the main thing that I have noticed is that the team felt more like a team in these episodes. I absolutely LOVED the interaction between Lil and Stillman in this one. This was the episode that solidified their father/daughter relationship for me. As usual, I completely agree with you, LillyKat. I also felt that Stillman wanted Lilly to come down and work on the case because he feels that she is his most astute pupil and he knows that she will give it her all.
I also completely agree with your Kite assessment. It wasn't something that I noticed the first time through, but now knowing the outcome, this is exactly how he comes across to me. He definitely acts like Lilly is some sort of goal. Like bedding her is a huge accomplishment that's worthy of bragging rights. Now, it's true that Lilly doesn't just spend the night with anyone and she certainly doesn't make it easy for those that she is in a relationship with to get intimate with her, but like you LillyKat, I don't think that gives Kite a right to view her as a conquest. If anything else, he should respect her even more. This becomes more of an issue in "Late Returns" when he basically manipulates her. The problem with all of this is, Kathryn Morris and Josh Hopkins have so much darn chemistry that you WANT them to be together, even if you realize that Kite isn't good for Lilly. When these two kiss, there's tremendous heat and that's hard to ignore. I think this is why I still enjoy watching these two play off of each other. That office scene is certainly a classic (along with the french fries). ;D
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Post by xokellbellox on Jul 19, 2006 22:56:08 GMT -5
I agree with LillyKat.
I just recently started watching the show (started @the end of S3) I always new it was around and I would catch a show here or there if I came upon it, but now i'm hooked I 've been watching the re-runs on TNT (thank god) So i've been catching up and I algree with you guys
I really like the Lilly/ Stillman dynamic and I didn't know it till I saw this episode.
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Post by mikencelia on Jul 20, 2006 15:39:11 GMT -5
"The actor who played young Stillman - WOW! Talk about a double. He had the whole stern jaw, accent/talk without hardly moving lips thing down. Great casting job."
I loved this episode. I too marveled at the young Stillman, but I think that the older Stillman dubbed his voice and the young Stillman was lyp synching.
THat was a great montage at the end.
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Post by frenchfan on Jul 20, 2006 16:02:26 GMT -5
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