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Post by Naj Again on Dec 9, 2003 11:30:57 GMT -5
Guest Cast List:Lois Hall (Krystal Hogan) Jake Bern (James Hogan ('89)) Silas Weir Mitchell (James Hogan) Merritt Hicks (Sherry Stephens ('89) Christina Cox (Sherry Stephens) J.P. Pitoc (Brad Meyer) the one who's name we shall not say Buehler (Dana Meyer) Linda Castro (Joan) Brent Huff (Meade) Steve Seagren (Tommy Burke) Brent Huff (Lonnie Gable/Hogan) source: www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/EpisodeGuideSummary/showid-16989/ I enjoyed this episode the best so far. Maybe because Kathryn had a chance to carry the episode for the majority of the hour. It was a nice diversion from the regular episode involvement of supporting regulars. Best Scenes: Lilly and James at Berks station Lilly and James at the scene of the murder Even though all these actors each week are unknowns to me, I think they give good performances. James Hogan played by Jake Bern was excellent. His character was the kind of person you might meet in real life struggling with problems of heart break of a lost love and a guilty conscience of murder. His interaction with Lilly, as being attracted to someone who would listen, was sad because he it showed just how much he was suffering inside and with his life and relationships...or lack thereof...unable to shake the past completely. At one point of the conversation in the house I felt that Lilly had left her guard down for just a few seconds which wouldn't be too good in real life. But they must have wanted to show that she truly did care to help James. I assume all of this show is filmed in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. They certainly make use of all the local references to towns in the area.  ~Naj
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Post by zirconia on Dec 20, 2003 18:15:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I really liked how James talked only to Lily and how she sometimes found herself admitting things to him - like how she has 'bad days' too.
Seemed very character heavy to me - a good. thing. Made me all smiley. ;D
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Post by Naj on Feb 28, 2004 10:32:00 GMT -5
Reruns tomorrow night Feb 29!
~naj
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Post by eurache on Feb 29, 2004 21:57:37 GMT -5
Wow!  A very touchy story... Great acting.. I can really feel Lilly connecting to James. It was like she was thinking something of her past too Gosh she was crying at the end...  I was teary eye too.. Poor guy manipulated by his g/f.. sheesh  |
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Post by Naj on Mar 1, 2004 9:49:21 GMT -5
Hi Eurache,
Yea, the ole girfriend didn't like the ole lady. I did end up tuning in even though I had this previously taped. Couldn't stay away!
~Naj
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Post by zirconia on Mar 2, 2004 15:27:01 GMT -5
This episode is one of my favourites of the series. This one and the 'Boy in the Box' one are top two material. Of course, that may just be because I've seen them recently! Lily seemed to be crying at the end, as if it really affected her personally, like maybe she had stood by passively at some point before while someone did something. Probably not killing anyone though.  |
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Post by lizzbitt on Mar 4, 2004 21:36:05 GMT -5
Wow! From reading all the post on this episode, I'm sorry I missed it. I should have taped it. Maybe I can see it again on rerun.
Is next week's episode a rerun?
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Post by mrb03 on May 31, 2004 6:47:14 GMT -5
I think the most interesting scene is where James tells Lilly that it he could not stand the fact that the owners/renters of the house were partying and drinking over his grandmother grave and how guilty he felt about it.
Very sad
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Post by Naj on May 31, 2004 12:15:39 GMT -5
I think the most interesting scene is where James tells Lilly that it he could not stand the fact that the owners/renters of the house were partying and drinking over his grandmother grave and how guilty he felt about it. Very sad This ep is high on my list. The story allowed Lily's character to get more involved with her client to get the information to solve the crime and he was a good actor. This ep KM had the most screen time I believe. ~Naj |
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Post by trublucoldcasefan on May 31, 2004 20:42:18 GMT -5
It was definitely a good episode for lilly. she seemed genuinely concerned about James. i was especially (joyed?) to see lilly get a little down and emotional. it was something different for her character. *i must be the 1000th person to have said that* |
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Post by TVFan on Jul 26, 2004 10:31:51 GMT -5
Reruns Sun, Aug 1 at 8pm. |
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Post by TVFan on Aug 2, 2004 9:28:51 GMT -5
I remember now why this is one of my top 3 episodes. From the point where Lilly enters the house until the credits roll has got to be one of the most powerful and moving thigs I've seen. So many things to say about this episode. Where to begin?... This episode shows why CC is different from every other cop show out there - we get to see how the crime impacted the people involved. James never recovered from what happened to Krystal. He was so tragic, you had no choice but to feel sorry for him even though he was guilty, although not as guilty as Sherry. This brings me to point two, Lilly's immediate connection to James. It seemed to me that she was drawn to his tragic figure. She seemed to see the good in him all along, even when the viewer was convinced he had murdered his grandmother. I remember thinking why is she so sympathic toward someone who killed his grandmother. Another element to this ep that really set Cold Case apart form other shows was the way the writers didn't fall on the usual guy obsessed with girl lead storyline. James's connection to Lilly and vice versa was very original. He trusted her, and wanted her to know what was going on in his head, not b/c he was attracted to her sexually, but more emotionally. Sherry was so dispicable. I mean she had no redeeming qualities. The fact that she kept James around long enough to suck him dry emotionally and financially, and then dumps him as soon as her little doctor plan came through shows her true character. It's sad b/c there really are people like this in real life. The ending really blew me away the first time, and was just as moving the second time. Lilly was so wonderful in this episode, particarly the ending. She was really moved by James. When they were in the basement together, she looked so drained. Once the brillant "End of the Innocence" started playing and she walked out, she had that same look on her face like she just lost her best friend. I love the closing scene at the funeral. The way Lilly showed up at the funeral was so touching. Truly an incredible episode. |
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Post by jeyon on Aug 2, 2004 14:01:35 GMT -5
This is one of my favorite episodes, too.
It unfolded in an unusual fashion. The current owners of the house were quickly dismissed as suspects and the young man was eager to help. The lady next with the vital info remained on the sideline. It came down to James, the brother and the girlfriend. In the end, the girlfriend's guilt made the show more intense because James remained sympathetic.
This has one of the most startling lines in any show at anytime I have ever heard, when Lilly, trying to talk James into turning himself in, says "I'm your girl now."
That's how to write a whodunnit!
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Post by TVFan on Aug 2, 2004 16:56:10 GMT -5
Jeyon - I totally agree with you about Lilly's line. It was completely left open to interpretation, and completely unexpected. Although I don't think she meant it in a boyfriend/girlfriend way, it's interesting when you consider what Vera said to her earlier about having a crush on James. She really wanted to be there for James. Naj had mentioned in an earlier post about Lilly letting her guard down in the basement. I think she got too close to this one, but that's what makes her human. I like that she got close and the case had no personal connection to her (that we know about anyway). Usually in these cop shows, the detectives get too close to cases that are really personal to them (e.g. Det. Stabler on L&O:SVU always gets too involved when the cases involve children b/c he has a few). I like the fresh spin that CC puts on their storylines. You think you've seen it b/f, but you watch and realize that you haven't.
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Post by Naj on Aug 2, 2004 18:22:21 GMT -5
Hi all! Sherry Darlin' is tops with me bacause this is the only S1 ep KM gets the chunk of screen time. It's a good story with an engaging storyline and, again, Vera as sidekick! ;D I gotta tell you I like Vera and Lilly together as a team! I hope to see more of that in S2.
The "I'm your girl now" line is interesting because I don't feel James sees it that way but it's just a way/a method Lilly is using to try to relate to him. It does become obvious that yJames understands why he's slipped and even refers to not being able to get over Sherry like one is suppose to. He keeps reminding LIlly. I think this ep does show Lilly trying an angle with a suspect that is not entirely on in her perception which is okay because it all works out. I think the fact that she's a woman (with her own form of compassion) helps James to open up.
~Naj
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Post by jeyon on Aug 3, 2004 0:03:43 GMT -5
Jeyon - I totally agree with you about Lilly's line. It was completely left open to interpretation, and completely unexpected. Although I don't think she meant it in a boyfriend/girlfriend way, it's interesting when you consider what Vera said to her earlier about having a crush on James. I rewatched this episode and replayed that scene where they talk across the train tracks. It took a couple rewinds to figure it out. At one point, James insisted that "She [Sherry] was my girl. She believed in me." That's what Lilly referred to when she said, "And I'm your girl now." She meant that she believed in James. The double entendre works especially well because Lilly was building a relationship with James. A deep emotional attachment just skirting romance (Vera wasn't far off when he said "crush"), culminating in her private confrontation with James at the end. This was a relationship like I've never seen before and it plumbed emotional depths. It has made her relationships since, with Kite and everyone else, seem shallow and arid. |
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Post by blankregus on Aug 3, 2004 0:58:04 GMT -5
Thanks to TVFan, jeyron and Naj for the perceptive thoughts. I also admire it very much. Certainly it's one of the best-directed episodes (by Rachel Talalay, of the BBC "Touching Evil 2" and the "Touching Evil" remake on USA, which she exec-produces). Silas Weir Mitchell is remarkably piercing as the present-day James. I'd second the viability of a Lilly-Vera pairing. Nobody in this community likes Scotty any less than I do; he wasn't missed here.
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Post by TVFan on Aug 3, 2004 10:08:13 GMT -5
Jeyon - Thanks for that great insight into the scene at the tracks. It makes perfect sense now. Also, I couldn't agree more with you about Lil's relationship with Kite compared to that with James. When you look back, it seems that her relationship with Kite was barely a blip on the emotional radar. I hope that if the show decides to pair her up with someone in the future, that it is more along the lines of her relationship with James. More substance, less superficial.
Blankregus - I never noticed how the show was thrown slightly off kilter when Scotty arrived until I watched these earlier episodes without him. It's not that I dislike Scotty, but rather I dislike the fact that his arrival messed with the dynamic of the show. My fear is that they will make his character more prevelent next season, especially after hearing what Naj said about CBS including him in the previews with Lilly (BTW - I happened to catch the end of the golf tournament Sat on CBS, and I saw the full screen in question. It appears that CBS superimposed a picture of Scotty next to the usual one of Lilly that they used to show alone). I like when Lilly and Scotty work together, but I would like it better if they mixed it up more and let Lilly do some stuff on her own as she did here in "Sherry Darlin'."
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Post by Tati on Aug 4, 2004 8:54:54 GMT -5
Lilly's scene with James at the tracks was really amazing. And you guys make great analysis!
I also liked the close-up scenes of Lilly when she's talking to James (mostly at the beginning of the episode). I thought those scenes looked really beautiful.
One thing that I noticed: when Lilly mentions that she's going on a pharmacy round, Vera looks to both sides and almost whispers "I thought you sister was taking care of your mom". The way he said it, seemed like it was some kind of a secret... I got curious about what's up with her sister.
And I don't remember Lilly's mom or sister being mentioned again after this episode... maybe the writers thought about bringing them to the show, and then changed their mind and decided to go with the Kite thing. (bad idea!)
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Post by TVFan on Aug 4, 2004 9:52:02 GMT -5
I noticed that too Tatiana. Sounds like the sister isn't the most reliable person. Maybe she's more like Lill's mom. This episode made me think about the scene in the finale (Lovers Lane) when Lilly said that what she wanted at 15 was impossible. I know we've been thinking that the reason had to do with something happening to her. What if that's when her mom got sick? Maybe Lilly couldn't live out whatever dream she had then b/c she had to help take care of her mom. Maybe she wanted to leave Philly, but was forced to stay there b/c her mom's health required her to.
I don't know, but it's a theory. Just the fact that she had to make a pharmacy run makes it sound like her mom is sick, and a lot of the burden falls on Lill. That line in "Lovers Lane" may have set up a nice lead in to exploring Lilly's past next season. I sure hope so! It would be very interesting if Lilly gave up her dreams to help a woman who wasn't there for her all those years.
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A very touchy story... Great acting.. 
I was teary eye too.. Poor guy manipulated by his g/f.. sheesh 
