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Post by TVFan on Jan 17, 2005 11:28:53 GMT -5
Airs Sun, 1/30 on CBS. From the site[/u][/url]: Rush and the team re-investigate a 1987 drive-by shooting when the murder weapon is turned in. Guest Cast List:Christina: Nicki Aycox Jessie Odoms ('87): Kelli Kirkland Jessie Odoms ('05): Joyce Guy Kayla Odoms: Precious Wright Rodney Johnson ('87): Chris Foreman Rodney Johnson ('05): Miles Watson Jason James Sr.: Barry Sigismondi Jason James Jr.: Patrick Reina Mike Odoms ('87): Michael Christian Alexander Mike Odoms ('05): Thom Gossom Jr. Darnell Odoms ('87): Jake Longs Darnell Odoms ('05): Reggie Currelley Sam Larson: Alexander Folk Truly Sinclair: Valeri Ross Eric Morrison ('92): Campbell Scarborough Eric Morrison ('05): Nick McCallum Pate: Ross Thomas Chip: Chase Ryan Jeffery Witherspoon ('05): John Peakes Witherspoon ('87): Thomas Hall |
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Post by Ryebeach on Jan 30, 2005 23:22:11 GMT -5
I really liked how they had to trace the gun back 18 years. I found that to be very interesting and clever. It was not something we've seen the detectives do before and while it did seem a bit to easy for them I was still intrigued. I guessed the killer fairly early on however I truly hoped I would end up wrong. It was just so sad.
The Christina/Scotty storyline just seems so wrong. What is he thinking. He's got Vera telling him to back off and he knows Lilly will be unhappy and yet he still hooks up with her. I think his emotions are all over the place and being with someone just feels right to him even though he knows it's wrong. I hope he wakes up and breaks things off with Christina before Lilly finds out.
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Post by r2k on Jan 30, 2005 23:28:47 GMT -5
This episode ranks right up there as one of the best. Now, I dismissed the killer as a suspect early on because I didn't think it was possible. At the end, the signs were obvious. The songs were more familiar this time around. I'll talk more about it tomorrow when we're all together.
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Post by blankregus on Jan 31, 2005 2:15:25 GMT -5
One hardly expects action on TV to be credible (Jack Bauer, anyone?), but an 80-pound kid firing a whole .45-cal mag on full auto freehand? C'mon, people. (Unless he has the hand size and strength of a Wilt Chamberlain.)  |
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Post by CC Fan on Jan 31, 2005 5:23:37 GMT -5
Well this was an ok episode, even though i figured it out the second we met the brother. it was a little unbelievable though, that he could've driven and shot that gun at 12 years old.
btw... i really DONT like scotty and christina, epsecially because it reminds me of scotty and lilly and that's sorta weird to me, and second, he got over alisa pretty quick dontcha think?
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Post by TVFan on Jan 31, 2005 12:12:09 GMT -5
I liked this episode. I thought the brother was an unrealistic choice as the killer, but it did keep me guessing. I also thought that tracing the gun was an interesting story point.
This was a very sad episode. When they showed what happened to Kayla and how her brother reacted to what he had just done, it really got to me emotionally. I felt so bad for everyone involved. You could tell that Lilly and Scotty had a hard time tearing the family apart (again). Overall, just an emotional case.
I really thought that Lilly didn't want Scotty with Chris b/c of her sister's track record. I think she's concerned about Scotty getting hurt, so she's trying to prevent anything from happening between them. She seemed annoyed that Scotty had gone to Chris's bar, but I really think it was out of concern and nothing more. She knows that Scotty is vulnerable, and she seems to think that Chris will take advantage of him. I guess we'll see how it unfolds, but I don't see things going well between Lilly and Chris in the future.
Did anyone else find it odd that Lilly (or the rest of the gang) never acknowledged the fact that this was Scotty's first case back? It just seems weird to me that Lilly and Scotty never really discussed the whole Elisa suicide thing. Very weird.
Oh, and I hated the scene with the animal shootings. So glad they didn't show the part when the kid killed the horse.
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Post by Ryebeach on Jan 31, 2005 13:46:40 GMT -5
Oh, and I hated the scene with the animal shootings. So glad they didn't show the part when the kid killed the horse. I also hated that scene. Youd think the writers could have come up with something else besides the shooting of animals to continue the storyline. |
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Post by Tracylynn on Jan 31, 2005 15:45:20 GMT -5
Sorry for not getting on the board more often but my computer is down so I have to use the one at work, and even then I don't have a lot of time to get on the board.
Ok, now about the episode....well, it was a so-so episode. It really didn't pull me in. Actually, I was a little bored with it. I don't think they pulled it off in a convincing manner and that left the episode lacking.
The situation between Scotty and Lily's sister is a big no no. First of all, Scotty is running into the arms of another woman quite fast. His girlfriend just die and he's already hitting the sheets. I thought there be more grieving but I guess not. Of course, him reaching out to another woman to comfort his loneliness and sadness does make a little bit of sense but he's using bad judgement by hooking up with Lily's sister. Wrong person to do it with. Lily will find out what happen between the two either by catching them or one of them telling her on purpose or letting it slip. When she does found out it isn't going to be pretty.
The scene where the boys are shooting the birds was very disturbing. I really could not watch that scene, it was just too much. But, I will say that the scene was an effective in the part of the story that it was associated with.
The scene where the boy was the shooting the gun as he was driving by was a little far fetched. How can that little kid shoot the gun and drive perfectly at the same time? It just didn't make sense. That boy must've been strong to say the least.
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Post by Trublu on Feb 1, 2005 23:07:28 GMT -5
I wasnt really impressed by this episode. I'll be riding piggyback on most of your comments...
1. The twelve year old being the killer: makes no sense. If they had made him just a little bit older, fifteen or sixteen maybe, i think it would have been a lot more believeable, and i dont think it would have been a problem. I have a hard time believing that this kid was able to a.) figure out exactly what was going on with his mom and have the reaction he did, b.) drove a car perfectly without any knowledge of how to or any practice before then, and while driving the car, c.) shot off that gun.
2. Scotty and Christina... Big No Way. Scotty's emotions must be running haywire, and getting himself into a relationship that he may regret later is not the best way to handle it. Plus, Lilly kinda sorta warned him, (the train-wreck thing was a little over the edge), and so did Nick. And, on top of that, he was having second thoughts, and tried to break it off. Scotty is going to dig himself i mighty deep hole.
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Post by Disasterfreak on Mar 2, 2005 22:30:17 GMT -5
Kinda late in the game, but I'm gonna post anyway, for Tati, Andrea and FranLupin's sake ;D... if no one else's (since we're getting the eps at the same time).
This was an emotional episode, some parts of it really got to me, although it's true the driving 12-yr-old shooter was a little unrealistic. However, I've seen the victims of 12 and 14-yr-old shooters, and believe me, those sweet cherubs can do much more damage than most people think. Oh, and they're also not as innocent as they look (they can tell perfectly well when one of their parents is cheating on the other, in fact you'd be surprised what kids do know).
I was a little disturbed by the Scotty-Chris part. First of all, cuz I've been ranting about their relationship going on other people's comments, without having watched the episode. And now, after watching it, it seems to me Chris really does have feelings for Scotty (probably not very deep feelings--but she doesn't act like she's just messing around). As for Scotty--well--he's just making a big mistake. Totally blasted by Elisa's death and in complete denial, seeking comfort wherever he can get it.
Don't misunderstand me--I still don't like their relationship. I just think I was too eager to pin the whole thing on Christina, and it's not completely her fault.
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Post by Tati on Mar 3, 2005 7:54:54 GMT -5
I was another one who didn't find this episode that interesting. Usually the episodes where the victims are kids are the one I like the most, but this one... I don't know. I guess it was the killer. I know that a lot of kids commit crimes, but that boy (Darrell?) seemed like a nice boy. I just couldn't believe that he did it. (though it became obvious he was the one after that scene in the park).
About the Scotty/Chris part, Scotty is looking for trouble (and we already know he's getting it). For the look in Chris' eyes when he tried to break up with her, it seemed like she was really involved with him, really sad he wanted to end it. Maybe she has real feelings for him, but I still don't like her. Now what's really interesting - Vera's warnings to Scotty. Vera always seemed to me to be the one in the team who would care less about the other detectives' personal problems. I'm dying to know what he could know/have seen to be so concerned about this whole situation.
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Post by Disasterfreak on Mar 3, 2005 15:49:21 GMT -5
I'm dying to know, too!
There's so many things that don't make sense, at least not all the way, and it kills me not to know. Why does Lilly care so much about the Chris-Scotty thing? Why is Vera warning him? What is it with Chris that's so terrible?? She seems kinda selfish in the first eps they showed her, it's true, but she's far from hopeless.
I wonder when the writers will start giving some explanations!
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Post by Ryebeach on Mar 3, 2005 20:42:29 GMT -5
Now what's really interesting - Vera's warnings to Scotty. Vera always seemed to me to be the one in the team who would care less about the other detectives' personal problems. I'm dying to know what he could know/have seen to be so concerned about this whole situation. Hmm... Honestly it has never occured to me that Vera may know something more about the whole situation between Lilly and Chris and that is why he was so direct in his warning to Scotty. I guess I just thought he was looking out for Scotty in the long run, knowing Lilly would not approve but now I'm beginning to wonder if there is more to it than that. I hope the writers don't keep us in the dark too much longer. |
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Post by TVFan on Mar 4, 2005 13:00:51 GMT -5
I'm the same way Ryebeach. I usually miss some things, so it's possible that Vera does know more than we realize. I figured he just knew better, not more. I'm interested to see how Vera acts when he learns that (spoiler for "Revolution," so highlight if you want to read) Lilly knows about Scotty and Christina. Will he say something to Scotty? I guess we'll just have to see.
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Post by byrdman9802 on Jul 5, 2005 21:08:26 GMT -5
Good evening everyone, Hey, how is everyone tonight? The week is rocking and rolling for me so far, and I hope it is for everyone else as well!  Hey, I just wanted to post the latest I found on my TIVO (sorry a2z, I hope I'm not stealing your thunder at all!  ). This episode is set to re-air on CBS on Sunday, July 17 at 7 pm (central time) on Channel 380 (CBS East on TIVO). Just wanted to fill everyone in on this. Take care, and have a great night tonight! |
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Post by Ryebeach on Jul 5, 2005 21:46:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the heads-up Byrdman. I remember this episode fairly well so I can watch it a 2nd time for the little things I may have missed the first time around. |
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Post by r2k on Jul 5, 2005 22:09:24 GMT -5
That's in two weeks. I'll have to catch it again. I want to see if there were any clues I missed.
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Post by byrdman9802 on Jul 6, 2005 20:35:42 GMT -5
Dear Ryebeach and R2K, Hey, good evening, guys! I'm glad to hear that you will like watching this ep again. I sure am as well (although I already have it from the first time it aired), but any chance to see KM is good, right? Thanks again for your nice comments, and I hope you both enjoy this show when it reairs. Take care and have a great night! |
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Post by frenchfan on Apr 2, 2006 12:14:40 GMT -5
In France, the minors of less than 13 years cannot be penally condemned. The judge can apply an educational sanction, measurements of monitoring (but never the prison). In this episode the killer is only 12 years old. What is the legislation for the minors in the state of Pennsylvania or in the United States in general. Can somebody inform me?  I studied the French law but I am unaware of the American law. The American system is very very different from the French system. |
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Post by boxman on Apr 2, 2006 12:58:42 GMT -5
In France, the minors of less than 13 years cannot be penally condemned. The judge can apply an educational sanction, measurements of monitoring (but never the prison). In this episode the killer is only 12 years old. What is the legislation for the minors in the state of Pennsylvania or in the United States in general. Can somebody inform me? I studied the French law but I am unaware of the American law. The American system is very very different from the French system. Interesting... I haven't seen this episode, but it seems to touch upon Lionel Tate a 12-year old who is the youngest person in the US sentenced to life imprisonment for murder. (He was eventually released; see the wikipedia link for the whole story.) Legislation for punishment varies per state, FrenchFan, and many US laws are based upon British common laws we've had ever since being their colonies. Some laws go as far back to the Magna Carta and even earlier to Roman laws in some areas. Some laws are even based upon principles of the Ten Commandments, which is why some American courtrooms in older towns traditionally display them. (Though there is much controversy today about that practice.) Its strange that you personally say that you don't know so much about our laws, when the French in general seem to make a big deal about what we do here in Philly. See the Paris support for that b@stard cop-killer, Mumia, and how the French sheltered the cold-blooded @sshole, Ira Einhorn, as well as the story of the lunatic Paul Goldman, who also naturally fled to France for protection from our laws.... I'm sorry if I sound angry, FrenchFan, but justice here in Philly has been delayed because of French "interference" on our laws--laws that I don't think many of you understand because the French do not comprehend how violent and heinous our criminals are. |
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