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Post by TVFan on Nov 8, 2004 11:11:13 GMT -5
Airs Sun, Nov 14 on CBS. Here's the description from the CBS site: A long-term AIDS survivor asks Rush and Valens to re-open the case of his dead partner's murder. Also, don't forget to read Naj's post in the NEWS forum about the PSA featuring Kathryn that accompanies this ep.  Guest Cast List:Artie Russo (1983): Erik McDowell Jeff Kern (1983): Chad Donella Artie Russo (2004): Jay Karnes Russ (2004): Pete Gardner Paul Kern (1983): Brian Wedlake Ellen (1983): Gail Bianchi Ben Kern (1983): Spencer Garrett Paul Kern (2004): Albie Selznick Barney (1983): Paul Parducci Barney (2004): Michael Kagan Carlo (1983): Russell Sams Vince Parisi (1983): Sam Vance Carlo (2004): Randy Mulkey Banker (1983): Paul Ganus Russ (1983): Scot Davis Finch: James Morrison Vince Parisi (2004): Cliff Weissman Ben Kern (2004): Neil Vipond |
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Post by Ryebeach on Nov 8, 2004 18:48:36 GMT -5
Just a heads up that this ep was written by Jan Oxenberg, who also wrote the excellent "A Time to Hate." I hope this ep will rank right up there with it.
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Post by misguided freak on Nov 14, 2004 17:30:44 GMT -5
I'll be looking foward to the recap, as I have to miss this episode due to a pre-birthday dinner.  |
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Post by Naj on Nov 14, 2004 20:13:08 GMT -5
I think it's truly a shame that CC will no longer have episodes of this subject matter. This was very well done and was very realistic.
~Naj
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Post by Ryebeach on Nov 14, 2004 20:20:20 GMT -5
A very well done episode. Very tragic and sad.
I guess I'd forgotten that people at that time didn't have any idea how AIDS spread and were afraid to be in the same room as someone who had it.
For a change though, I knew who the killer was as soon as we met him, however, it did not make me dislike this ep at all. I was curious as to his motive and I must say I was very surprised when it came out.
Jeff's father was really nasty to him at Paul's engagement party. I just can't fathom how a father can treat his own son that way but I know that it happens. But I think Lilly was right, deep down, Mr. Kern loved Jeff and showed it by getting Artie into that drug treatment program. Unfortunately, it was too late to reconcile with Jeff so I guess I did feel sorry for Mr. Kern in that respect. He was just too proud to accept his son and he paid for that in the end.
My favorite flashback scene would have to be in the hospital room when Jeff is visiting Artie and has the mask on. It was so sweet when he took the mask off and got into the hospital be to hold Artie. They were really in love.
This is when I have to remind myself Jeff was taking a chance because of not being sure of all the ways one could contract AIDS.
Again, Scotty was portrayed well. No more smart-alec lines. He was just being himself and I hope the writers continue writing him this way. A great scene is when Artie's fiancee asks Scotty which color they should go with for the wedding. I think the old Scotty would have said or done something innapropriate but instead he just answered the question and moved on. That was the right thing to do.
That Carlo guy was pretty bad going around infecting all those people and turns out he's a survivor. Weird, huh?
I thought the ending was perfect with the wedding. I knew Artie would be the one to see Jeff's ghost. Even though Jeff was the love of his life, he was now with Russ and they were married and I think it really brought closure to Artie to have Jeff "be there." I thought "When I'm With You," was the perfect ending song for this ep. Very touching.
Again, even though I knew who the killer was I still thoroughly enjoyed this ep. I think the writing was great and I'd have to say Cold Case is getting better and better with each new ep.
Did anyone recognize the actor who played Jeff? That was Chad Donella and I recognized him from Final Destination as Tod, the first victim after the plane explodes. His character in that film also dies by strangulation, albeit a lot more graphic than on Cold Case.
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Post by MrsB on Nov 14, 2004 20:23:13 GMT -5
I liked this episode. I did not guess the killer until near the end. How sad it was too. The other comment I have is about when Carlo - a.k.a. Melvin Fishman - told the detectives that he was from Shaker Heights, Ohio. I live near there so that was kind of neat! |
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Post by Naj on Nov 14, 2004 20:32:25 GMT -5
I just wanted to add two things here. No football on the east coast! I was so surprised. The show actually went on at 8 pm.
I loved the wedding at the end. Just shows how far things have come since the 80's and how genuinely happy the couple looked as well as those attending. Yea, I know---there's still a long way to go with gay marriage acceptance.
Oh and three things: Kathryn Morris's statement about AIDS at the end.
~Naj
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Post by Ryebeach on Nov 14, 2004 21:05:53 GMT -5
I think it's truly a shame that CC will no longer have episodes of this subject matter. I second that Naj. Maybe if the ratings are up there, they will reconsider. I hope so because in my opinion, when Cold Case does deal with this subject matter, it excels. |
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Post by Trublu on Nov 14, 2004 21:24:52 GMT -5
Yeah, i agree with Naj and Ryebeach. It's too bad that so many people are negative towards this 'issue', which isnt really an issue, people just make it one.
I totally agree with you Naj. We're gunna be waiting for a while for this one. But at least there are people pushing it along.
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Post by javajunkie on Nov 14, 2004 22:41:59 GMT -5
Actually, I thought this episode was historically inaccurate. The AIDS epidemic hadn't exploded (in the way they were portraying it) as early as 1983. It was just starting to be talked about, but someone (not even a gay person) would know to look at someone's lesion and say "you've got it."
And I also found it odd that Rock Hudson would be brought up. It was not common knowledge that he had AIDS until right before he died, and he didn't die until late 1985.
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Post by onebyone on Nov 15, 2004 5:40:06 GMT -5
I really liked that episode. It was well done and handled the issue well, like I can count on CC to do. Also, it made me cry. Lots. Love this episode.
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Post by Naj on Nov 15, 2004 8:06:10 GMT -5
I definitely agree here. At least for me I think CC does a realistic rendition of how situations of this subject matter affect everyone involved. It's really a strong point of the show to bring these things to light. I don't think I've seen a series do that before. To lose these stories would be a mistake for the series.
I didn't notice the actual historic events of the AIDS timeline. Actually I was thinking it began a bit earlier than 1983 but I think they got their point across anyway.
~Naj
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Post by TVFan on Nov 15, 2004 10:49:58 GMT -5
Another good episode this week. CC seems to be once again finding its stride as the season moves along. I'm so jealous Naj! I also live on the east coast, but we had NFL (Redskins vs. Bengals) until about 7:15, so CC didn't air until 8:15pm. So once again, I was playing the waiting game.  A few points about the episode: - I also knew from the beginning who the killer was going to be. I just had a hunch when we met the brother that it was going to be him. He was the only character that didn't seem to have a motive in the beginning, therefore the least obvious, so I picked him. Like Ryebeach though, it didn't ruin the episode for me. I was dying to find out why he did it since there seemed to be no reason in the beginning. - I think my love for Lilly grew a little more during this episode. She was so compassionate and understanding. It even rubbed off on Scotty. :lol: I loved the sprite in her step during the closing scenes as she filed the now solved case away in the vault. She was great with Jeff's father too, and I liked how she took his brother's arm in hers when she was pleading with him to confess. - It's too bad Jeff's father had to be so stubborn with his son. I think he truly loved him deep down, but his own pride wouldn't let him act it. He seemed to think that by not condoning his son's lifestyle, that it would change Jeff. - Since I was only three when this ep took place, I have no memories of the AIDS crisis. It was strange to see it treated like an easily spread disease. When Jeff went to see Arty in the hospital, I was a little confused at first as to why he was wearing all the protective gear. -When Russ asked Arty and Scotty about the table linens, I was afraid of what Scotty would say. I was pleasantly surprised at his answer. He really did seem to grow a lot over the course of the episode. In the beginning, he was completely uncomfortable with the subject matter, and even a little put off by it. But as the ep progressed he warmed to Arty and Russ through learning about Jeff. - Finally, Cold Case does a nice job of bringing important issues to the forefront. We've seen it deal with rape, suicide, gay bashing, racism, abortion, incest, sexual abuse, transgender, drug abuse, adolescent angst, among many others. The interesting thing about all of these issues is that CC's cases take place in the past, yet the show manages to use important issues that are still relevent today. |
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Post by r2k on Nov 15, 2004 21:30:59 GMT -5
Hey everybody. Well, although the episode was good, it wasn't my favorite. Most of the songs were off and, for some reason, that just bugs me. I also found it a little inaccurate. This episode would have been better taking place in 1985. Also, had Cold Case taken place in San Francisco, it would have been more believable. It did cover the bases of the early AIDS years. I was old enough to know what it was and very little at that. It was enough to make me aware of the problem. I seem to be on the other end of the political spectrum as I lean more to the right. And I prefer episodes to just be about murders. The AIDS content is okay with me because it is a part of history as well as gay bashing before the term was even invented. But it doesn't bother me if they don't tackle issues. That would, however, defeat the purpose of the show not. These issues are what makes the cold cases interesting. Anyway, I know my beliefs are different from some on this thread. As a conservative, I have tried to keep an open mind and have a level of understanding to viewpoints different from mine. This secret has allowed me to avoid major conflicts in political discussions for years. I can truly disagree and not tick others off. I expect my views to be respected. Therefore, I respect the views of others. And I respect your views. That is what makes a discussion interesting. By the way, Scotty handled this one a lot better than last seasons with Tinkerbell. Now if he can just deal with Elisa's problems he might just make it. As for Vera, his insensitivity is what makes him a great character. Can't wait to hear what he'll say next week. I am looking forward to next week's episode. I was waiting for Red Scare episode. Next up, a late 1980s heavy metal themed episode. I think we're due for it. Note: My favorite episode so far is still "The Sleepover". For some reason, Rita Baxter is the definitive victim for now.
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Post by Tracylynn on Nov 15, 2004 23:41:20 GMT -5
I will have to say that I also felt that this episode wasn't the greatest nor was it the worst either. Personally, I felt something was off in this epsiode. It just didn't hook me like the others have.
The two things that I thought were off in this episode were the music and the killer. First of all, I don't think that some of the songs were right for this episode. To me I felt that the songs just didn't translate the scenes correctly. I guess you could say that I just wasn't feeling a few of those songs.
Secondly, I just didn't buy the brother as being the killer especially when they show him going off and killing his brother. To me that scene just wasn't right. I really just couldn't see him going off the way he did. It just didn't seem believable.
I will agree with R2K that this might've been better if it was set in 1985 or even in San Francisco. It might've gone over better.
I will say that the best scene in the show was when Scotty was asked which color they should go for. That was funny.
I agree with you, R2K, that "The Sleepover" has been the best episode so far. It made a connection to me that this episode didn't do.
Tracylynn
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Post by CC Fan on Nov 16, 2004 3:01:01 GMT -5
Hmmmm... I'm not so sure about this episode. I thought it was interesting and I didn't really ever get bored, but I think I was expecting an episode like 'A Time To Hate,' and this wasn't really anywhere close. I liked the politics of it and I liked the ending, especially with the recent election and 11 states banning same-sex marriages, I just thought this was good timing. However, there weren't any interesting plot twists except for the brother being gay, but even that didn't seem like much of a shock. All in all, it was an ok episode.
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Post by iejo on Nov 20, 2004 21:09:19 GMT -5
Did anyone catch whom was Scotty talking about when he said he knew someone's brother had died of AIDS and this case had hit close to home?  |
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Post by Ryebeach on Nov 21, 2004 8:28:00 GMT -5
It sounded like Scotty says, "One Brother Donley dies from it," Maybe someone from his Catholic school. Also, didn't know if he meant his brother but I would think Lilly would have said something to him or it would have been talked about later in the ep. Whoever it was though, Scotty must have known well as he seemed a bit upset during that scene. Maybe InsideR can clear this up for us. |
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Post by InsideR on Nov 25, 2004 2:01:58 GMT -5
It sounded like Scotty says, "One Brother Donley dies from it," Maybe someone from his Catholic school. Also, didn't know if he meant his brother but I would think Lilly would have said something to him or it would have been talked about later in the ep. Whoever it was though, Scotty must have known well as he seemed a bit upset during that scene. Maybe InsideR can clear this up for us. You're right in that he meant "Brother" as in a priest at the Catholic school he attended. Which is why it was a nun who told him about it. I think the incredible response to this show will mean CBS will be less likely to be intimidated about gay or other "hot button" issues. In the end it's up to the audience - if the network believes people want things more "Red State friendly" they will be. But the success of ABCs steamy "Desperate Housewives" seems to run counter to the idea of a mass movement that wants an endless loop of "Touched By An Angel". -R |
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Post by marbleann on Nov 29, 2004 18:23:05 GMT -5
I loved this episode. I was right in the middle of the beginning of the Aids epidemic. I llive in NY and I was just turning 20 when people started getting sick in the late 70's. But the show was innaccurate as far as the time line. I lost many friends gay and straight. Remember this was right after the disco days when drug use was very prevelant. A lot of bi sex was going on so a lot of woman got sick too. Of course no one knew what was going on. It was horrible. People going blind dying horrible deaths there were no drugs or relief. It still effects me today to think of how some of the people I loved died. By the time this show episode was set in we all know what was happening. The Haitians were also blamed by then also. Rock Hudson was later and his death made Reagan acknowledge Aids. thats all. I know plenty of people who frequented those bath houses, which were deemed a problem before 1982. Men who were very out there are still alive now.The people who aquired Aids because of a drug problem seem to have died much faster, NONE of my friends are still alive who got it from the needle. I thought it was very realistic that the guy that was spreading was still alive. That type of guy took care of himself. I know plenty of people who survived. Now they look middle aged like the men in the show did. I don't know why people think it would be more realistic if it was in SF. The east coast cities like Philly and NY were just as devestated by Aids from the very beginning, and by 1982 it had swept the country. If you remember that model Gia lived in Philly and was dead by 1982. The brother was my mark from the beginning , he was just too good to be true.
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