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Post by melliemel on Oct 10, 2004 23:49:14 GMT -5
*****SPOILERS******
The bet was if I'm correct...that she got the $2000 from doing something "naughty" I think that's the word that Scotty used. It cracked me up at the end though when Scotty threw the money at Jeffries.
I was really surprised that it was the husband. I thought for sure it was the neighbour Dottie. It really threw me.
But sitting back thinking about it. Him talking on and on about how she changed during the war. I think the war changed him someways too as it did everybody. Maybe he was craving the normlacy he had before he left and she wasn't willing to give him that. I don't know lol I look too much into things sometimes. I try to analyze everything lol But I believe he loved his wife, I just think he snapped.
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Post by Tracylynn on Oct 11, 2004 0:57:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the info, Melliemel. SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really don't think her husband did it on purpose. His arm was in a sling so he really was limited in what he could grasp. I do like how they incorporated the notion that war changes folks. It changed Alice but her husband wanted to go back to the simplier life. Look at what 9/11 did to folks here. I loved the scene where the one lady, whose name I can't remember, asked Stillman if he wanted to swing. LOL!!!!! He had the look of "WTF?". An older lady hitting on him. LOL!!!!!! Boy, he wasn't prepared for that. Now that lady had balls. LOL!!!!!! ![]() foujylos.notlong.com [/IMG] 25or6to4 ![]() foujylos.notlong.com [/IMG] |
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Post by krispy on Oct 11, 2004 10:18:38 GMT -5
Wow! Really well put together show. Thumbs up to the wardrobe and hair people. I like when the cases go back a little further than the 90's. Lily really seemed to get into this one and I think developed an appreciation for women like these. Great moments too.Wanna Swing??? ;D
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Post by Ryebeach on Oct 11, 2004 11:31:09 GMT -5
I liked this ep better than the premiere. The costumes and sets were excellant. An I had no idea who the killer was. My only problem was that when the killer was revealed, it just didn't ring true. I don't think he could have done it on purpose. I think it was an accident. My other issue, as others have raised, is the actors just don't look old enough to be in their mid 80's in the modern day scenes. Now I know most people like the older eps (myself included) but having these noticably younger people play the parts makes me have less credibility in the ep. Other than that, loved the music and how it incorporated the war and it's affects on everyone both at home and abroad. I also felt that Lilly related to Alice as a women who paved the way for females in jobs previously held by men.
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Post by peggyk on Oct 11, 2004 18:01:40 GMT -5
I loved this episode and I am going to have to agree with the others who said they didn't think the husband did it on purpose.It looked to me like he he just lost hold of her and she fell, it didn't appear that he pushed her. I would have liked for this episode to go a bit farther and let us know exactly what happened to him after the real story came out.
Besides that I was just amazed at how they recreated the era back then, I am sure someone that lived back then might have seen mistakes but I thought it was awesome and I am wondering how much of a budget it would take to recreate it.
I am not exactly sure who brought this up but I still know women today who get an allowance from their husband for the household goods and such, and they still call it their allowance.
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Post by eurache on Oct 11, 2004 18:53:06 GMT -5
It was a great episode. Rosie the Riveter!! Yep, those were the days where the women got allowances and were home baking cookies and taking care of household. June Cleaver thingy.. or Father knows best!  However when the WWII started and almost all the men were sent to war, the women were able to show that they can do the same job as a man. Then when the WWII was coming to an end, then the women had to go back to their boring home life..  The government pushed for women to help their men at war, help build war planes or ships and then Government pushed the women out, back to June Cleaver !! I wasn't born around that time, but I heard about it and read more about that time when I went back to college. Anyway, the episode was great! I don't think the husband purposedly pushed his wife off, it was an accident. In fact the husband said to Lily "you're good".. when she found out some more facts that he was hiding.. She said, "That's my job as an investigator" (something like that) Laughed at Scotty's bet with Jeffries.. LOL All in all, it was a great episode and I was really looking forward to this one ;D |
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Post by MrsB on Oct 11, 2004 20:48:23 GMT -5
SPOILER BELOW........
I, too, thought that the husband's "push" seemed like an accident, but if he "really" loved her like he told Lilly, why didn't he react like it was an accident?? I mean, if you didn't really mean to kill her, and you were her "loving" husband, wouldn't he have at least begun to scream, yell or break down in that instance?? Possibly, the war got to him and changed him though.
Well, I guess since they didn't really show much beyond the fall, maybe he was just in shock or something. Still, he sure didn't appear to be that kind of person in his old age. That sure was a puzzler to me.
By the way, I believe that Dottie (?), the neighbor, played Brooke Shields' mother in the 1980s movie, "Endless Love." She sure didn't seem like someone old enough to be at least in her 20s in the 1940s, in my opinion. I sure loved the episode though!
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Post by CC Fan on Oct 12, 2004 1:32:52 GMT -5
I really enjoyed this episode. I thought it had every element of a good episode... however, the whole Vera thing I'm not quite understanding. Why all of a sudden is he so bitter. I know he's having marital problems, but the remarks he made about not doing the case because it was a lost cause, I hope this is something we wont be seeing in every episode.
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Post by Naj on Oct 12, 2004 9:06:00 GMT -5
Did anyone notice that the flashbacks didn't change in film quality like that of last season? I can't remember if the Badlands did that too. It was the same film whether flashback or present.  Yes, CC, this Vera thing, I'm not sure where it is coming from out of the blue. The husband pushing the wife over the edge I thought was on purpose. When I saw his expression it seemed that he was just concerned someone saw it happen. He said he had to pay the guy off in bonds. These eps totally capture seemingly nice people so engrained with the rules of society committing murder and then trying to cover up for it. Things that today we consider no excuse for. it was definitely a surpise that it was the husband. This ep was an improvement from the season premier. ~Naj |
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Post by Trublu on Oct 12, 2004 20:43:39 GMT -5
When Vera brought up the lost cause thing... im surprised lilly didnt say anything... she was very passionate about finding closure for EVERYONE...*i know there is a quote about this...can someone help me out here?*
and about the husband: i was very surprised that it was him, but i thought that it kinda went. it appeared to be an accident; it probably was, but if he cared (as a couple other people mentioned) why did he leave her there and not report it?
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Post by Naj on Oct 13, 2004 9:40:45 GMT -5
I think it was he believed it was an accident and so paid off the man. She wouldn't live the life he wanted her to and he lost his temper. Where's this guy's conscience? Or for that fact the guy he gave the war bonds to?
What happened is that he lost his temper and grabbed her and he pushed her. There was no look of remorse. None. He even tossed her scarf over after her.
~Naj
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Post by melliemel on Oct 13, 2004 14:22:48 GMT -5
yeah I don't know what is up with Vera either. I thought in the "badlands" the confrontation between him and Jeffries was great. But I really hope he's not going to be a butt in every ep. It will get on my nerves fast and I'll be wanting Lilly to slap him upside the head lol
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Post by Tati on Nov 11, 2004 5:49:25 GMT -5
well, I think I was the only one who enjoyed this episode less than "The Badlands".
anyway, I loved it as usual, those old two ladies (fannie and the other one I can't remember the name) were really funny. The scene were one of them asks Stillman if he can swing was great. The look on his face was priceless. :lol:
About the case, it was really good. However, the husband doing it came out of nowhere for me. I mean, as Dottie said, he loved Alice and didn't want anyone else. And then, he kills her after only one argument?? Seems a bit unbelievable to me.
I have to say that the closing scenes are among my favorites of all episodes. I noticed two special things:
1) Alice didn't just appear in front of Lilly, it was Lilly who actually turned around to see her; and 2) (I don't know if I dreamed this) Lilly was smiling at Alice. I don't remember seeing Lilly smiling at the dead person before on the show. Nice.
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Post by TVFan on Nov 11, 2004 10:07:33 GMT -5
I agree Tati. The closing scenes were really nice in this ep. I remember really liking the scene where Lilly "saw" Alice. I also thought the scene where all the old friends met up and had a picnic was neat too.  |
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Post by samanda on Feb 13, 2005 0:33:23 GMT -5
tv-now has this episode listed down for the 27th.
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Post by Ryebeach on Feb 13, 2005 0:50:08 GMT -5
tv-now has this episode listed down for the 27th. Thanks for the info a2z. It amazes me though that out of the 4 Sundays in February sweeps, there will only be 1 new episode. Actually, I'm glad it will be a rerun on the 27th as I'll be out of state on that day. |
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Post by samanda on May 23, 2005 21:51:34 GMT -5
This episode will re-air on 6/4/05 (SATURDAY) at 8:00 PM-9:00 PM EST on CBS.
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Post by r2k on Jun 4, 2005 20:57:39 GMT -5
Okay guys. This is the third time I've seen this episode and I've made some observations about Nelson. When the episode first aired we all wondered if it was an accident or intentional. I have the answer. It was clearly an accident. There's a scene in the episode where Lily is having lunch with Nelson and the reporter. Nelson gets and walks away. Alice's niece tells Lily they tried to set him up after Alice died but he said, "I had my wife." This clearly indicates guilt and sorrow as well as him missing her. At the end in the final confession scene, I looked really careful. It is an accident and his angry expression at the end tells me he is angry that she is dead and things didn't work out. Also, the boss saw what happened and Nelson was scared. So my ruling is that it was an accident as a result of an argument.
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Post by Naj on Jun 6, 2005 8:26:46 GMT -5
Hi R2K,
I rewatched this episode too paying careful attention to the very end and I concluded he knocked her off in the struggle as it wouldn't take much: no railing, she's a small frame. He had no look of any regret or was startled that she fell. And then he just stands there and looks at the guy on the floor (can't remember his name). Plus you don't struggle with someone standing near the edge of the floor with no railing. That's just irresponsibile. Maybe we should pose this question to InsideR.
The only hard sell to me with this episode visually...well...actually acting wise was that the actors didn't take me back to that year. They looked like present day people with old clothes on.
I especially liked the last interrogation/talk Lilly and Scotty had with Dotty about Alice and Dotty liking Nelson.
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Post by samanda on Jun 9, 2005 17:24:12 GMT -5
Looks like CBS is re-airing this again.
The futon critic has posted:
Air Date: 7/9/05 (SATURDAY)
Time Slot: 9:00 PM-10:00 PM EST
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However when the WWII started and almost all the men were sent to war, the women were able to show that they can do the same job as a man. Then when the WWII was coming to an end, then the women had to go back to their boring home life.. 
The government pushed for women to help their men at war, help build war planes or ships and then Government pushed the women out, back to June Cleaver !! I wasn't born around that time, but I heard about it and read more about that time when I went back to college. 
