Episode 3.5: Committed

[ruda]

GOOOOOSH
I watched 3x05 few minutes ago and... wow... Lil is realy cute with hair down.
Scotty like Sutton and she was soooooooo sad in this ep. I like a scene when he look in her eyes

and this what say Lil... "I always told them my mom was travelling with a rock band." or something like that... was so cool. her face! do you see her face!
and then in room with Anthony... her face was so sad
she realy need a man, who makes her happy!




I'm dying ;D

[Naj]

I didn't understand the context of the Rock Band statement. I wasn't paying enough attention. Anyone know?

Also a question of lobotomys. On the show it was to balance the emotions. How would that do so? Aren't they also performed from the top of the head. DF should know this since she's an MD.

[TVFan]

OK, so I had written this entire post about last night's ep, and now it's gone! I could seriously cry! :smile30:

Since I don't have time to retype the entire thing, I'm just going to list a few things:

-I thought this was a very strong outing for CC, case wise. I found myself very emotionally invested in the characters.

-Like Naj, it never ceases to amaze me how well CC shows the ugly side of human nature.

-Did I miss Anna Mayes, or was she not in the ep? I seriously don't remember seeing her.

-The rock band statement was made during a conversation between Lilly and Otis about how he wasn't sure what to say about his Mom's whereabouts. Lilly said she used to say hers was in a rock band traveling.

-The Scotty/"Josie chippy" stuff was way too consuming and completely below this show. I'm willing to forgive it, though, because if the one who's name we shall not say's account of what happened is correct, then they only had a few hours before the read-through of this ep to complete the character's story arc and write her out.

-The only redeeming thing about the S/J scene in the case vault was her fortitude in asking him to step aside. I would have been mad if Scotty kissed her. I did like their scene upstairs in the main office where he confronted her about the sexual harassment and she exposed the horrendous double standard.

-Lilly's hair looked great. I thought she looked gorgeous, especially in the scene where she interrogated Anton. I was a little annoyed as well that we didn't even get a Vera quip about the new 'do. Weird that no one said anything.

-Still weird that "Josie chippy" and Lilly didn't have any scenes together. I guess we'll never know what the deal was there.

-Still waiting for Lilly's reaction to the George thing.

Anyway, onward and upward! I can't wait for the next new episode. I hope everything is back to normal and feeling more like CC!

[sonny]

Otis was talking about the excuses he made when he was a kid as to why his mom wasn't around. Then Lilly said her bit. On watching it a second time I kinda noticed that Lilly has one of those sad, this applies to me so much look on her face when Scotty and "Josie chippy" come in to meet Otis and he is talking about visiting his mom in the institutuion and toying with the idea of finding her again. Is this gonna spark Lilly into some kind of action in reuniting with mom maybe??? Just a theory!!

[r2k]

Hey everyone. What can I say about last night's episode except, Excellent!!! The story was great and I was guessing until the end (though I'll admit the flashbacks and music distract me from the actual case) We finally learned a little about "Josie chippy"'s scandal. Not that is matters much now seeing as she's gone. This episode seemed gearing to get things back on track. We can finally expect the Cold Case we've come to appreciate. The case was interesting. And I actually recognized some of the music (opening and closing songs). Perhaps, I'm crazy, but I love all the episodes. I have my favorites, but they're all great. Later.

[samanda]

Also a question of lobotomys. On the show it was to balance the emotions. How would that do so? Aren't they also performed from the top of the head. DF should know this since she's an MD.

DF can correct me if I'm wrong, but a lobotomy is when they cut the corpus collosum, which is what connects the two sides of you brain. Then your brain can't comunicate and is literally two seperate brains. One section of the brain controls the emotions, and if it can't connect with the other side of the brain to control certain motor functions the person might not be able to have certain reactions. I don't know if they knew that back then or if that was their reasoning or if this makes any sense at all.

[samanda]

TVFan, I didn't see Anna Mayes either.

Edited to add: they didn't say Gil Sherman was going to be in it, but he was. *shrugs*

[sonny]

tvfan said:

-The Scotty/"Josie chippy" stuff was way too consuming and completely below this show. I'm willing to forgive it, though, because if the one who's name we shall not say's account of what happened is correct, then they only had a few hours before the read-through of this ep to complete the character's story arc and write her out.

-The only redeeming thing about the S/J scene in the case vault was her fortitude in asking him to step aside. I would have been mad if Scotty kissed her. I did like their scene upstairs in the main office where he confronted her about the sexual harassment and she exposed the horrendous double standard.

-Lilly's hair looked great. I thought she looked gorgeous, especially in the scene where she interrogated Anton. I was a little annoyed as well that we didn't even get a Vera quip about the new 'do. Weird that no one said anything.

-Still weird that "Josie chippy" and Lilly didn't have any scenes together. I guess we'll never know what the deal was there.

-Still waiting for Lilly's reaction to the George thing.

I have to agree with everything you said TVFan. I too think the whole Scotty/"Josie chippy" scene was a bit to soap opera!! I mean I liked the first scene but then it went a little far. There were no signs of attraction IMO before this episode so it left me wondering where it all suddenly came from. I feel the writer, no matter how little time they had could of come up with something better than that. But hey, it seems it's kept the the one who's name we shall not say fans happy so hopefully they will have some positive memories of her being on the show!!

I thought Lilly look fabulous too. And that scene with Anton where she leans on the table, wow how perfect did she look!! A complete transformation from the first episode where she looked tired and ill.

I would have liked Vera to make some comment too about her hair, but they seemed to have missed that opportunity. I don't think they had a scene together this ep did they.
Do you think they let Lilly's hair down this episode to try and balance out the "Josie chippy" story ending?? What I mean is that CC/CBS must be highly aware of the fuss and discussion surrounding Lilly's hair so could they have let it down for this particular episode in order to get people talking about this as much as or more than the exit of "Josie chippy" Who knows, but there is alot of talk on the net about her hair being down!!

I find it weird that Lilly and "Josie chippy" were keep more or less completely apart during her stint on the show?? I wonder why that is??? Did they not want to 'mess' with Lilly's character, I mean if she had made 'friends' with "Josie chippy" then we would have seen more of Lilly's personal side which the writers are not ready to show us yet. Ummmmm that's something I will always wonder I think.

[Naj]

but a lobotomy is when they cut the corpus collosum, which is what connects the two sides of you brain. Then your brain can't comunicate and is literally two seperate brains. One section of the brain controls the emotions, and if it can't connect with the other side of the brain to control certain motor functions the person might not be able to have certain reactions. I don't know if they knew that back then or if that was their reasoning or if this makes any sense at all.

That's just awful, a2z. Now does anyone know who the brilliant doctor was that found this concept becuase I think they should have given him one first to see how it affected him. This subject obviously infuriates me. :smile7:


TV, when I have something long to post, I've learned to prepare it on my word document program first. For some reasons there were problems with PB's yesterday.

The Scotty/"Josie chippy" stuff was completly distracting to the show I felt. And it came out of nowhere looking like it was slapped together at the last minute. I'll so be glad to get things back to our familiar family of detectives. This series is supposed to be about the cases first and foremost. There's plenty of tidbits for 5 detectives to go around for a long while. I so miss season one caliber of output for each episode.


~Naj

[TVFan]

I thought Lilly look fabulous too. And that scene with Anton where she leans on the table, wow how perfect did she look!! A complete transformation from the first episode where she looked tired and ill.

This is the exact scene I'm talking about Sonny!! Here's some screencaps of it that I made for my blog:





I thought she looked great!

Oh, and I'm glad I wasn't the only one who didn't see Anna. I wonder if they changed it at the last second to Gil. I love Gil, so that worked for me!

[myril]

a2z said:

Also a question of lobotomys. On the show it was to balance the emotions. How would that do so? Aren't they also performed from the top of the head. DF should know this since she's an MD.

DF can correct me if I'm wrong, but a lobotomy is when they cut the corpus collosum, which is what connects the two sides of you brain. Then your brain can't comunicate and is literally two seperate brains. One section of the brain controls the emotions, and if it can't connect with the other side of the brain to control certain motor functions the person might not be able to have certain reactions. I don't know if they knew that back then or if that was their reasoning or if this makes any sense at all.

What I remember from my course about psychatrie (studied social science not med) that's corpus callosotomy (or split brain operation) what you're talking about, a2z, used to treat epilepsy. Lobotomy severs connection between prefrontal cortex and thalamus, meant to reduce extrem behavior, reduce spontanity and sexual activity, make people quieter and better to control.

BTW, Nurse Olsen says it's Dr Freeman coming to town - Dr Walter Freeman actually invented the transorbital lobotomy, sometimes called "ice-pick lobotomy" (it's said he used an ice-pick first), and that was obvisously done on Bettie. Throughout the '50s Dr Freeman traveled from town to town to do his surgery and advocate his method. Thanks to him it became quite popular. He was not the first to do thus kind of surgery though, he developed it further together with a colleague and then invented this specific method.

[TVFan]

Thanks for that interesting info myril! I didn't realize that Dr. Freeman was a real person, so it's fascinating to learn about the reference.

[samanda]

Thanks for the info, myril.

[KathrynFan]

caps are up now only KM Related

oldasecreencaps.fotopic.net/c742529.html

[TVFan]

They look great! Thanks kathrynfan!!

[scottyandlillyfan]

The episode was a sad one I think. The writers need to stop this Scotty/"Josie chippy" situation. I think Scotty needs time to clear his head after everything that has happened. He at least needs to focus on getting his friendship back on track with Lilly instead of being consumed with "Josie chippy".

[KathrynFan]

scottyandlillyfan said:

The episode was a sad one I think. The writers need to stop this Scotty/"Josie chippy" situation. I think Scotty needs time to clear his head after everything that has happened. He at least needs to focus on getting his friendship back on track with Lilly instead of being consumed with "Josie chippy".

they will now that "Josie chippy" been fired off the show

[Disasterfreak]

myril said:

a2z said:

DF can correct me if I'm wrong, but a lobotomy is when they cut the corpus collosum, which is what connects the two sides of you brain. Then your brain can't comunicate and is literally two seperate brains. One section of the brain controls the emotions, and if it can't connect with the other side of the brain to control certain motor functions the person might not be able to have certain reactions. I don't know if they knew that back then or if that was their reasoning or if this makes any sense at all.

What I remember from my course about psychatrie (studied social science not med) that's corpus callosotomy (or split brain operation) what you're talking about, a2z, used to treat epilepsy. Lobotomy severs connection between prefrontal cortex and thalamus, meant to reduce extrem behavior, reduce spontanity and sexual activity, make people quieter and better to control.

BTW, Nurse Olsen says it's Dr Freeman coming to town - Dr Walter Freeman actually invented the transorbital lobotomy, sometimes called "ice-pick lobotomy" (it's said he used an ice-pick first), and that was obvisously done on Bettie. Throughout the '50s Dr Freeman traveled from town to town to do his surgery and advocate his method. Thanks to him it became quite popular. He was not the first to do thus kind of surgery though, he developed it further together with a colleague and then invented this specific method.

You are so right, Myril. I don't think there's anything left for me to say. Except it is still done in very exceptional cases of VERY extreme violent unmanageable behavior. You know this is so funny, but I just realized... we had a case almost exactly like the one portrayed around here just a few years ago... it was the cingulotomy that boggled my mind... wow...

Ok, my take on the ep (forgive my repetitiveness AND the rudeness of copy & pasting from Source n1)

Just watched it!

There isn't much left to say that hasn't been said before. First and foremost, I agree with everyone who's said the "Josie chippy"-Scotty scene was cliche, and a lame excuse for writing her off the show. I'd also rather it be about the sexual harassment thing. But I guess in real life a person WOULD transfer if faced with a difficult situation. It's still weird though--she just got to homicide, why transfer AGAIN? That CAN'T look good in your records.

Oh well. I've decided to quit beating myself up about Sutton. She had some good scenes in this ep though.

About the case... I dunno. I liked lots of things about this episode, I felt for the characters, especially Bettie... but the whole lobotomy thing and killing her off in the end was a bit weak IMO. Then again murders in real life don't always happen for "understandable" reasons. It just seems a little farfetched--and VERY risky--that the head of hospital would make a patient "disappear" right after some doubtful proceeding. I mean, this woman has a family! I know they dropped her like a hot potato and it turned out no one looked into her afterwards--but they could have. And as for leaving her out there in the snow, with a lobotomy scar on her head--HOW COULD THE POLICE NOT FIGURE IT OUT?

Poor Bettie. The actress did a good job. She completely lost touch with reality, she was so manic--poor thing. All she wanted was her Otis. She even went through something that could've killed her just for him. And he didn't even bother to see what had become of her afterwards.

Just wanna add: and Lilly looked BEAUTIFUL. Like a freakin fairy princess. Very un-Lilly like, but if I were the guys I would've been drooling in spite of myself. Can't believe no one said a word. Men. :smile79:

[sonny]

Yes Scotty should have been drooling over Lilly not "Josie chippy"!!

[gaudior]

I just watched this and the previous episode last night. While it was sad and touching and also uplifting (the friendship between the women in the asylum), it didn't quite pull together for me. For one, Bettie was only in the hospital for about 6 months; last we saw, she saw Otis and her husband a few days before Christmas, when the husband essentially asked for a divorce. Had they come in from whereever they moved? Also, they didn't try to contact her at any time in those 50 years?! How did Carmen, living under Bettie's name, get Otis' current address?

Lobotomies are an atrocious treatment—as we now know. It wasn't known how completely it removes the person or personality because it tended to solve the problem. This was also before meds and abilities to image the brain, etc.; I'm sure we'll look back at some of the treatments we do now and say "oops." We already do. For instance, when Xanax came out, it was touted as non-addictive. Big oops—it's highly addictive! And it's only in the last 10 years or so that we've known about atypical Bipolar disorder, which doesn't present in the classic way and/or doesn't respond to medications as easily/well. BTW, if you've seen "One Few Over the Cukoo's nest, you've seen the results of a lobotomy (at the end).

I hadn't realized that Jo was leaving the show. I like the actress—from the time she stepped off the bus and into Ruby's Diner on "General Hospital"!