Ep. 4.02 The War at Home

[longislanditalian2]

I think Joseph meant by him being her last is that he's trying to tell her that he loves her and wants to be with her forever. But how serious is he when he is still holding the cat and not looking into Lilly's eyes. There I think Lilly knows something, I think if Joseph was serious he would have said it differently.

[Pixie]

@ The Reverend Bizarre & boxman

I don't know what or how The cross of Odin looks like, but to me Kat's "necklace-thingy" looks like Mjolnir, The Hammer Of Thor and is from Norse mythology.

Here's a link:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mjolnir

[longislanditalian2]

I'm starting to think that Dana's death was both a sucicide and a homicide in one. A homicide that she was pushed but maybe she wanted to commit sucicide rather then trying to swim to surivive. Maybe she had inner demons that ahd been plaguing her for sometime?

Getting back to Lilly, maybe she feels like she can open up to Joseph about personal stuff. What he said maybe he's trying to tell her that he loves her and isn't going to give up on their relationship. but if this relationship ends I have a feeling it's going to be Lilly rather then Joseph then ends it. He doesn't seem like the type of guy who would just pick up and leave her.

[boxman]

myril said:

boxman - interesting thoughts about Joseph. Though if, it would be something going on a more subconscious level. But don't think he is actually looking for a needy type. He senses the strength and the pain in Lilly and that mix is interesting, I guess, something he might know pretty well himself. So think he wants to see her more as an equal.

It's strange, but sometimes have the impression, certain types of men are especially drawn to strong women having issues. Either to conquer them (sorry, no offence guys), or to find a woman equal to them, or to find someone finally protecting them like a mother should do? And sometimes it's like they want all of it at the same time, sulking if they don't get a chance to be supportive or protective, but still expecting that woman to be strong all time. Know what I mean? Uhm, sorry, might go off topic. Was just musing about that while thinking about the discussion about Kite and Joseph.

Well, we're still on topic--We're wondering if this seemingly perfect relationship is going to deteriorate and how it might happen if it does. Just idle speculation worth a discussion... Yeah, I know what you mean here, and I think it could be rather easy for Joseph to start thinking and treating Lilly like one of his "patients", so to speak. Or on the other hand, let her dominate over him in some weird way. I'm glad that you brought it up and described it like you did, Myril. You made a great description of this behavior that men sometimes have towards strong women, partly because it's from a woman's perspective, but mostly because it's better than I could've described it. And I'm also happy to see that you think Joseph is more likely "to see her more as an equal", because I'm hoping the same too.

About Lilly and Joseph, I was rather *shocked* at the story she told him about her father. He left when she was six ...and she still expected him to show up at her high school graduation?!! Now I *cannot* personally relate to this, because my own parents are still married and never 'abandoned' me. But I do have friends that never knew their parents, or had them leave at a young age, and they 'got over' it by the time they graduated. I'm not saying that they didn't feel hurt, but in no way were they expecting their missing parent to show up for graduation. There was about eleven or twelve years between the time Lilly's father left the family and her high school graduation. For my friends, they've been able to find some other woman or man to come into their lives and serve as a "father figure" or "mother figure" in that time. For Lilly, it could've been one of her mom's ex-boyfriends or ex-husbands. (For my friends, it was an uncle or adoptive father that served as a male role model.) Apparently, none of Lilly's mom's boyfriends or husbands ever fulfilled this place in her life, that's why after all those years, she still was thinking of her dad.... That's rather sad. (Yet, it's very understandable too, if one considers the episodes "Kensington" and "Churchgoing People" to understand the neighborhood that Lilly grew up in.) Certainly, Joseph must've noticed that this is one of Lilly's "pains" that make her very intriguing.. I wonder what he's going to do now with this insight...

pixie said:

@ The Reverend Bizarre & boxman

I don't know what or how The cross of Odin looks like, but to me Kat's "necklace-thingy" looks like Mjolnir, The Hammer Of Thor and is from Norse mythology.

Here's a link:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mjolnir

Wow! This is very interesting, Pixie! Thanks for posting this awesome info!!

Etymology

The origin for the word "Mjolnir" is unknown, though etymological speculation has provided theories for its literal translation. The Icelandic verbs mölva (to crush) and mala (to grind) have been suggested as possible translations. Another theory suggests that Mjolnir might be related to the Russian word молния (molniya) and the Welsh word mellt (both words being translated as "lightning"). This second theory parallels with the idea that Thor, being a god of thunder, therefore might have used lightning as his weapon.

What do you think this all means, Pixie?? Because from reading the info at the link, it seems that this is a symbol of someone who can protect and defend. Why then, is Kat wearing such a symbol?? It would certainly follow along the idea that Kat is impervious to Cold Case symbology (such as cars and black leather jackets...). Is this a foreshadow of some sorts?? That Kat may end up protecting Lilly (or another character on the show) someday?? Hmm.... What do you interpret this as, Pixie??

[The Reverend Bizarre]

The symbol also seems to be called "The Hammer of Thor" Anyways I read the following.

1. It's worn as a protective amulet

2. In modern times it's been worn by those of Norse heritage, and/or those that follow the Asatru faith.

In this case I'd go for 1. Kat doesn't appear to be of the Norse heritage, and I doubt she follows the Asatru faith.

It definately seems that this symbol worn by Kat in this episode is a symbol of protection, and may be one of the few positive symbols surrounding Kat.

[longislanditalian2]

Maybe this is explaining her faith and personally trait??

Does Lilly trust Joseph , or does she feel like he's going to leave her.

[The Reverend Bizarre]

I'd say more a sign of protection.

[longislanditalian2]

Lilly should let herself be happy, look her dad wasn't there and probably didn't love her. Why is she still holding on to that , was she close with him before he left? Did her dad leave b/c of Ellen's drinking? It's not going to change anything if he did come back, maybe he has forgotten about her. Lilly is with a really nice and caring guy, in all respect I really think Joseph really is the right one.

[myril]

Can quite well understand, that Lilly wished for her father to be at her highschool graduation. No idea, if she was or felt close to him when he was still around, but given the circumstances I think her dad turned into a sort of mystic figure for her over the years. Got that impression already in the ep "Who's your daddy".

[The Reverend Bizarre]

maybe it was like in the Simpson's where Nelson's dad said "I'm going out to get a pack of cigarretes."

And then he never returned.

(Wow, I'm really insensitive.)

[scottyandlillyfan]

I thought the episode was awesome. It looks like the squad will be taking on some very interesting cases. I like how the show will be getting into the personal side of the characters more. It was nice to see that Lilly showed care for Scotty. I am a Scotty/ Lilly shipper all the way but I think Joseph will be around a while.

[boxman]

myril said:

Can quite well understand, that Lilly wished for her father to be at her highschool graduation. No idea, if she was or felt close to him when he was still around, but given the circumstances I think her dad turned into a sort of mystic figure for her over the years. Got that impression already in the ep "Who's your daddy".

Ah... I haven't seen that one yet, Myril. I also was thinking that then again, it could be that of all the men that have left her, her dad was the *easiest* one to talk about at that moment. This would bring a whole different angle to Lilly's frustration and her relationship with Joseph, because it would indicate that both Kite and Ray probably meant a lot to Lilly. There's definitely a lot of directions this scene can develop into.

[Naj]

About Lilly and Joseph, I was rather *shocked* at the story she told him about her father. He left when she was six ...and she still expected him to show up at her high school graduation?!!

Maybe she just assumed a father would do so. Hoped? Demanded?

@ The Reverend Bizarre & boxman

I don't know what or how The cross of Odin looks like, but to me Kat's "necklace-thingy" looks like Mjolnir, The Hammer Of Thor and is from Norse mythology.

Wow. I never even noticed. Interesting. I'm surprised Vera hasn't made a quip about it.


scottyandlillyfan says:

thought the episode was awesome. It looks like the squad will be taking on some very interesting cases. I like how the show will be getting into the personal side of the characters more. It was nice to see that Lilly showed care for Scotty. I am a Scotty/ Lilly shipper all the way but I think Joseph will be around a while.

Hi! I'm always interested in some personal aspects of the detectives but I hppe it doesn't get all 'soap like'. Be sure to check out CC highlighted on Infanity on 10/2. The video is up in the General Forum.

[Pixie]

I've been thinking (which is a thing I don't do very good )
Have you all noticed that Kat and Lilly are opposittes....

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Lilly:
Blond
White
"Fragile"
No Children

Kat:
Dark hair
African-American
"Powerful"
Has Veronica

[longislanditalian2]

Maybe when her dad left, a part of Lilly died.

[jambled]

So I have a kind of a question... Well, okay, it's actually a real question. Lol. What? Anyway, how many years apart are Lilly and Christina? Would Lil's dad leaving when she was six mean her and Chris are only half siblings? Bear in mind I haven't seen the ep and haven't heard the whole after-burnt-pancakes conversation (pity the Aussies; we prob won't get CC until Feb. I know. Isn't that sad?).

[longislanditalian2]

@jambled- Lilly and Christina could be half-sisters considering the fact that Ellen's been married four times

[Disasterfreak]

We haven't been told anything but I, personally, think they're full siblings and that Christina is about 4 years younger. I know she acts A LOT younger, like she's in her mid to late 20s, but that could be just her irresponsible immaturity. And I still don't think Lilly is older that 34-35. I know she's SUPPOSED to be, but I find it hard to believe.

[longislanditalian2]

Maybe it's not that at all, Lilly is realizing that she is very unhappy and needs to find happiness in herself

[Naj]

As far as I know, like DF said, we haven't been told. I'm guessing that Christina is about six years younger than Lilly. It's just a guess. But Christina does seem to be in her 20's while I would think Lilly is at least 35-36. But I don't think we know Lil's age exactly. Is there a way to figure it out from Saving Patrick Bubley episode?

jambled said:

So I have a kind of a question... Well, okay, it's actually a real question. Lol. What? Anyway, how many years apart are Lilly and Christina? Would Lil's dad leaving when she was six mean her and Chris are only half siblings? Bear in mind I haven't seen the ep and haven't heard the whole after-burnt-pancakes conversation (pity the Aussies; we prob won't get CC until Feb. I know. Isn't that sad?).