Ep. 5.14 Andy in C Minor

[coldcasegirl]

I love how Vera "patted" Andy's box, like he would hurt it/him if he "punched" it like he usually does to the cases he is glad he got justice for (which is usually every ep that he carries the box @ the end I was like AW!

And like LII said, I also gained a greater respect and a little more understanding for the deaf community, even if some may have been offended by our show. But I say, AT LEAST we are going for that risk to make the show DIFFERENT from every other crime drama that shows on TV.

;D

[toddsmitts]

I'd thought of the show doing an episode about deaf people a while ago. (I wondered how they'd handle music) I thought of something maybe set in the sixties, when there was less understanding and maybe not as much talk of deaf culture. Maybe they could have featured someone like Louise Fletcher (she's not deaf but both her parents were so she definately knows sign language).

Overall, though, I was happy with how it turned out, with the exception of who Andy's killer turned out to be. We've had SOOOOOO many episodes with teenage victims done in by friends in similar situations as their own. ("Detention", "The Goodbye Room", "Stand Up and Holler").

I was talking about this with boxman in the chat the other night. I suggested it be the stalker girl who we saw briefly (I believe her name was Leah). We know she got a cochlear. What if it turned out she'd gotten it because she knew Andy was getting one and thought he'd like her then? Of course, Andy still wants Emma. So out of frustration, she bashes his head in.

boxman pointed out that this would have been doubly tragic for her since getting the cochlear would have turned her away from the deaf world but likely meant she wouldn't completely fit in the hearing world either.

I think that would have worked better and been a bit less black and white than a friend just getting p!ssed because he got an implant.

What do you think?

[The Reverend Bizarre]

Personally I didn't mind so much that Carlos was the killer. It was hinted in the show that he had a violent streak, and we can also see that he's not exactly the most friendly person. I know it wasn't stated, but I have a feeling that Andy was Carlos' only friend. They obviously got a long quite well.

We did however see how upset Carlos became whenever Andy mentioned getting the cochlear. However, notice that when Andy makes up his mind to get the cochclear that Carlos is right behind him, seeing if he's a candidate. Basically he wants to stay with Andy, he wanted to be in the same world that Andy was in, no matter what. But, Carlos isn't a candidate.

Andy got to go into the hearing world, while Carlos was forced to remain in the deaf world. I imagine that feeling rejected, and being prone to violence, Carlos in a fit of rage bludgeons Andy with the metronome.


The only thing I didn't like was the fact that he so cleverly hid the body and cleaned up the blood.

[riche]

A better shot of the box scene

[longislanditalian2]

In this episode both Andy and Carlos mentioned Gallaudet
University, which is a deaf college in Washington DC and had a real life murder case there

[TVFan]

I like your ending and logic as well, toddsmits. It definitely would have worked well too (I didn't have an issue with Carlos as the killer). I like the poignancy of Leah losing Andy and her sense of belonging to either world. It certainly would have been more tragic. Of course had it been Leah, they might have heard complaints about the doer being "too obvious" since she was stalking Andy.

[myril]

A lot of great acting, good directing and cinematography, some interesting little stuff about the detectives, but the story itself - would say, probably strip it of the context of deaf culture and it's good, sort of classical drama, a bit of a romeo and julia sort of type, questioning loyalties and reactions to that.

Of course, tv is an audi-visual medium, so maybe you have to make some more compromisses if it comes to something like making a story involving deaf people work for average normal hearing people (would be similiar with blind people, I think). There are a lot of compromisses in story-telling in general, if you would tell real life, people would quite probably doze off most of the time, not to mention a time problem, tv shows would have to last hours and movies days. Story telling means to reduce to essentials, you stretch moments that take only seconds and you cut on many other things due to pace, no matter if you tell a real story or fiction.

So, yeah, not much of a surprise to me, if they make everybody geniuses of lipreading - though unrealistic but you want to tell a story in 43 minutes and might think, you can't afford to have a translator around all time. It's sort of as unrealistic as in many sci-fi shows nearly everybody in the big univers seems to talk English or learn it in the blink of an eye including everybody on earth. But you do expect something different from a more contemporary story, do you, and would have been great, if they could have find a better way.

Well, I've worked with blind and physically challenged people, but never with deaf people, have none in my circle of friends either, so I admit I know very little about "their" world. Can't judge about how good this ep was about this, but from what I gathered from others, it wasn't so good. But I already guessed while watching it might be not so good , felt like seeing too many common cliches and that always raises questions and doubts for me.

Reducing to essentials and focus on certain things doesn't apply just on how to present deaf people in this case. It's interesting which plot holes we sometimes react to, which we easily buy and which we even don't recognise at all. Considering this, the story telling wasn't bad, there were many things I ignored enjoying just the story and acting, the episode, the story flowed nicely for me. But I know, one plot hole at times can ruin the fun of a whole episode, luckily none did this in this ep for me.

Anyway, after this little essay in short: I enjoyed watching the ep. Somehow it made me feel like watching a first season ep, perhaps because Lilly looked a bit more like she did back then. Vera was just great, and the subplot about Kat and her daughter was very interesting. Very much liked, how she reacted in the interview with the parents, getting totally distracted at one point because she had all the time her own daughter on mind. Said it several times before, that I like it, when they do stuff like this, that a case, talking to witnesses or other things make the detectives reflect on their own lives and stuff. This is a good way to make even a procedural more personal.

[boxman]

myril said:

Anyway, after this little essay in short: I enjoyed watching the ep....

Now there's a plot twist I didn't expect. ;D

[myril]

boxman said:

myril said:

Anyway, after this little essay in short: I enjoyed watching the ep....

Now there's a plot twist I didn't expect. ;D

Well, sometimes I'm good for a little surprise ;D

[toddsmitts]

tvfan said:

I like your ending and logic as well, toddsmits. It definitely would have worked well too (I didn't have an issue with Carlos as the killer). I like the poignancy of Leah losing Andy and her sense of belonging to either world. It certainly would have been more tragic. Of course had it been Leah, they might have heard complaints about the doer being "too obvious" since she was stalking Andy.

Well, for those of us who've seen the show long enough and have come to "expect the unexpected", most of us would have probably written off Leah as a suspect right away for being way too obvious, making it surprising when she does turn out to be the doer.

[jambled]

I really liked this ep. Would have liked more classical music but the use of piano was nice and the songs they did choose were great. I thought it would be a bit too obvious the girlfriend did it so I was pleased that it wasn't her. I loved the signing throughout as well... It was like two different languages rolled into one. Loved that. The character of the teacher (I'm terrible with names...) was a bit much though. I think they tried too hard to make it look as if she liked Andy. Her acting just didn't convince me.
I thought Leah was really familiar too... Not sure where I've seen the actress before. I think she reminds me of the older sister out of 'saving sammy'.

[eduardodelroice]

I have just rewatched this one and let me tell you, this episode had a name: VERA!

Not only he was funny but because he learnd signs the case was solved. when he saw Andy's parent talking about Carlos.

I loved Miller and her issue. I also loved the confrontation Vera/Miller and the dramatic line "You've been a dad for 5 min and now you're trying to teach me how to be a good parent"

Lilly was so sentitive about the case. She did not want to offend deaf people as Vera did in the beginning(but later he was excellent).

I loved the music.
The actor Ryan Lane(Andy) was excellent! Is he deaf in real life? It seems so, he played another deaf character before this episode and It seems actors who played a deaf character were deaf in real life. Correct me if wrong plz
www.imdb.com/name/nm2647455/

I liked the ending; It seemed that Andy gave Lilly a hate look but It was not that way. he just was serious because he felt Emma was the only one who did love him(besides his parents)

Btw; I think this is one of the few episodes where the victim does not know who kill him... I thought Andy never saw Carlos killed him. I think this has happened just in 2 or 3 episodes... I'm not sure(I saw this happening in CSI Miami)

Carlos was an excellent character... I liked the final interview where Vivian did not want to translate and Lilly convinced Carlos to talk...! NICE LILLY!

I gave this ep an excellent even if I felt the hour was longer(sometimes It was boring) Cold case touched this issue very well

[stillmanfan]

Saw this episode. I thought it was good as it shows how different it is to be deaf.

I wear hearing aids as I was born partially deaf, and let me tell you, I so would give anything to have hearing. Even though I do wear hearing aids, it sucks at times.

If you are working at a store, the music is on and if a customer has a soft voice, it makes it hard to hear, especially if you are more than 5 feet from them.

I had thought about the cochlear implant but decided not to. I don't think I like the idea of having a thing on my head. Besides I did have Tympanoplasty surgery and it didn't work too well.

Loved Vera in this one.