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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 9, 2009 18:02:24 GMT -5
It was just typical teenage rebellion, but the one who's name we shall not say did find love only for a short time. Darren seemed sweet but you makes me wonder about how it was when Lilly/Ray were younger.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Mar 9, 2009 23:34:37 GMT -5
That's another thing: The broken light was to bring Scotty in. That was the real purpose? I don't get it.... Is it an old trick? why? I don't see a lot of TV Shows To me this episode felt like a Cold Case, not the usual boring cheesecake episodes we've been having lately. This one was quite compelling, I felt for the one who's name we shall not say but wished that Darren could have done something to stop them. He loved her. Aside from that I was glad to see some more interraction between the squad. Something also grabbed at me, about how Lilly did hang around with a biker ( Ray), using that tire thing showed that even she had some bad girl qualities to her. You forget "The Brush Man"; That episode was excellent... If "Wednesday's women" did not exist, that'd be my favorite this season.. Lilly and Ray  I personally think Vera whining about his living arrangments is pretty funny, or that could just be a throw in to the sign of the terrible times. Perhaps Vera can't afford an apartment?? I do think they want to show us things are hard right now |
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Post by Electrophile on Mar 10, 2009 1:29:06 GMT -5
Eduardo, that didn't make sense. The broken taillight was NOT to bring Scotty in, it was to bring Libby in. They saw her leave the clubhouse with a duffel bag full of drugs, but they needed a reason to pull her over. So Lilly busted her taillight. If you're driving with a busted light, a cop can pull you over and ticket you.
I said it's the oldest trick in the book because cops do it all the time. I explained why they do it. Cops get a lot of leeway to bring suspects in, even if they end up doing things you or I would not do ourselves. It doesn't have to be featured in TV shows to be true.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Mar 10, 2009 4:38:51 GMT -5
Eduardo, that didn't make sense. The broken taillight was NOT to bring Scotty in, it was to bring Libby in. They saw her leave the clubhouse with a duffel bag full of drugs, but they needed a reason to pull her over. So Lilly busted her taillight. If you're driving with a busted light, a cop can pull you over and ticket you. I said it's the oldest trick in the book because cops do it all the time. I explained why they do it. Cops get a lot of leeway to bring suspects in, even if they end up doing things you or I would not do ourselves. It doesn't have to be featured in TV shows to be true. Thanks electrophile... |
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Post by Naj on Mar 10, 2009 8:51:43 GMT -5
I enjoyed Lilly's season two shirt. The one she wore when interrogating George. Are you kidding? No.  She was wearing it! ;D |
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Post by coldcasefan2009 on Mar 10, 2009 19:41:31 GMT -5
This is one of the VERY FEW episodes that i don't like, because the ending is wrong. Darren wasn't the murderer, and was arrested. why?
Shameless killed her, and yes (i think) he was arrested, but the guy who was considered the 'doer' was the wrong guy. sorry, Lilly slipped. doesn't happen too often but it did this time.
BTW her breaking the taillight to make a excuse to pull him over is unethical by any cop. it's called 'entrapment,' and cops have been in very big trouble for doing such acts.
But of course this was a new episode here just this last Sunday and there were two more i get so the next two i saw were great, and understandable, and got me over the anger of this one.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Mar 10, 2009 19:57:45 GMT -5
This is one of the VERY FEW episodes that i don't like, because the ending is wrong. Darren wasn't the murderer, and was arrested. why? Shameless killed her, and yes (i think) he was arrested, but the guy who was considered the 'doer' was the wrong guy. sorry, Lilly slipped. doesn't happen too often but it did this time. BTW her breaking the taillight to make a excuse to pull him over is unethical by any cop. it's called 'entrapment,' and cops have been in very big trouble for doing such acts. But of course this was a new episode here just this last Sunday and there were two more i get so the next two i saw were great, and understandable, and got me over the anger of this one. I'm so happy I was not the only one that did not like it I think they arrested Darren because of the gang thing Yeah, Lilly breaking the light was... |
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Post by pavlovsdog on Mar 11, 2009 9:25:51 GMT -5
I loved this one, especially so after the terrible episode 15.
As somebody else pointed out, this case just seemed to have a more traditional Cold Case feel about it, although I also take on board the view that the victim was far less charasmatic than the majority of the villainous characters in this episode.
I got the doer completely wrong. I thought that the whole Jackals thing might have been a complete red herring. My theory was that the ex-boyfriend would come back into play to try and 'save' her from the Jackals, but she would reject him and because of his volatile temper, he would have killed her in a frenzied rage. I guess his anger issues were the red herring after all.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 11, 2009 10:02:25 GMT -5
BTW her breaking the taillight to make a excuse to pull him over is unethical by any cop. it's called 'entrapment,' and cops have been in very big trouble for doing such acts. . That would be hard to prove, considering that the only witness to that was Scotty and he woul never rat out Lilly for anything. Plus Libby didn't see them two sitting in the car, so no charges would be brought against Lilly for that. The reason why Darren was arressted is because he was an accomplish to the one who's name we shall not say's murder, that would automatically give you life just for being there. It doesn't matter if he wasn't the one who had stabbed her to death, the fact remained; Darren was at the crime scene. |
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Post by Electrophile on Mar 11, 2009 14:00:29 GMT -5
If you are present when a crime is being committed, you are just as guilty as the person committing said crime, even if you don't do anything. Darren could have tried to save her, tried to run, tried to do anything but turn around and listen to her scream. He's a murderer, even if he didn't wield the knife. That's why he was arrested and it was right that he was arrested. So Lilly didn't slip.
And busting someone's taillight to pull them over is not called entrapment.
en⋅trap⋅ment /ɛnˈtræpmənt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [en-trap-muhnt] Show IPA
–noun 1. the luring by a law-enforcement agent of a person into committing a crime.
Neither Lilly nor Scotty lured Libby into committing a crime. She committed a crime by running meth for the Jackals, but they needed a reason to pull her car over. So Lilly busted her taillight. Unethical.....maybe. Entrapment? No.
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Post by coldcasefan2009 on Mar 11, 2009 16:19:43 GMT -5
So by your definition if i was in a bank in line to the teller and a bank robber in front of me comes and stabs the clerk, then i am also guilty? sorry i fail to see your logic behind that.
BTW causing damage to one's vehicle to get excuse to pull someone over is illegal. it's entrapment because the intent is to give reason to pull someone over by causing damage that enforces the act. Lilly breaking a taillight to get an excuse to pull someone over is entrapment because driving around with a broken taillamp is illegal and she caused the illegal act and the driver was 'trapped' by it. also, the case wouldn't be too hard to prove seeing is there is a camera mounted in cop cars and provided the car being driven by Lilly and Scotty had been a cop car, the camera would've caught her busting the taillight and such evidence is usable in court.
But this is only one of the three cold case episodes i don't like. i normally love them, this one however well it got to me.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Mar 11, 2009 16:24:05 GMT -5
I'm not the only one who did not like this one the one who's name we shall not say was not a likeable victim |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 11, 2009 17:37:48 GMT -5
So by your definition if i was in a bank in line to the teller and a bank robber in front of me comes and stabs the clerk, then i am also guilty? sorry i fail to see your logic behind that. BTW causing damage to one's vehicle to get excuse to pull someone over is illegal. it's entrapment because the intent is to give reason to pull someone over by causing damage that enforces the act. Lilly breaking a taillight to get an excuse to pull someone over is entrapment because driving around with a broken taillamp is illegal and she caused the illegal act and the driver was 'trapped' by it. also, the case wouldn't be too hard to prove seeing is there is a camera mounted in cop cars and provided the car being driven by Lilly and Scotty had been a cop car, the camera would've caught her busting the taillight and such evidence is usable in court. But this is only one of the three cold case episodes i don't like. i normally love them, this one however well it got to me. I really have to disagree with you, Lilly and Scotty weren't in a cop car that's used to pull people over. They were in a detective car,plus I doubt that there was actually a camera in the car. Second, Lilly wouldn't be in any trouble like I had said before. If there isn't any cameras, she wouldn't be facing anything. Plus the fact that a lot of cops break rules in order to capture the suspect. They didn't have a warrent or a reason to pull her over, they aren't patrol cops. Trust me the only thing that Libby will be charged with is carrying the drugs. Second of all Darren is an acccoplish, he was with the victim and had ties to the Jackals. Plus he knew about the illegal money, it doesn't matter if he wasn' t the one who had stabbed her. |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Mar 11, 2009 17:46:07 GMT -5
Darren had to be arrested, son of a b*tch
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 11, 2009 18:04:33 GMT -5
I was surprised that Lilly thought more of Saccardo than of Ray; shows you that she outgrew him.
It's kind of funny how Vera complains about his living arraigments; perhaps Jefferies is about the only person that can tolorate him staying over at his place. Surprised that he didn't bug Lilly nor Kat.
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Post by Naj on Mar 11, 2009 19:24:18 GMT -5
mitchy- I didn't know that, in the US it means something the opposite. Actually, I was about to post a correction when you answered - I looked up "doozy" in a US dictionary and it means the same there too, so it's not UK specific www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/doozyBut anyway, let us not sidetrack this thread with this, back to CC reviews! Just catching up with the thread and don't mean to side track it either but since we have different countries represented here think it's pertinent. doo·zy or doo·zie (dōō'zē) Pronunciation Key n. pl. doo·zies Slang Something extraordinary or bizarre: "Among the delicious names taken by, or given to, minor political parties in the United States . . . are these doozies: Quids, Locofocos, Barnburners, Coodies, Hunkies, Bucktails" (Saturday Review). [Possibly blend of daisy and Duesenberg, a luxury car of the late 1920s and 1930s.] So confused even more? ;D |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Mar 11, 2009 19:32:57 GMT -5
English Grammar and I'm one of the few whose native language is not English  |
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Post by Electrophile on Mar 11, 2009 22:28:54 GMT -5
So by your definition if i was in a bank in line to the teller and a bank robber in front of me comes and stabs the clerk, then i am also guilty? sorry i fail to see your logic behind that. I'm sorry, but you know darn well that's not what I was talking about. If you and your buddy go out for the evening and go into a convenient store and he robs the place while you're there......you are guilty of whatever crime he has committed. That's what the law says. You are considered an accomplice, even if you didn't physically do anything to aid in the commission of the crime. If you were paying close attention, Shameless told Darren to get his shovel. We knew from the beginning of the episode that the one who's name we shall not say had been buried in a shallow grave. Darren helped Shameless bury the one who's name we shall not say, or at least procured the shovel for him. That makes him guilty of murder as he was present and clearly not doing anything prevent to the crime from occurring. Darren knew damn well what Shameless was capable of doing, what did he think.....he was going to smack them both on the wrist and tell them to go home? No, Darren was absolutely as guilty as Shameless was. He had 33 years to come clean and tell the truth about what happened and he chose not to. Why shouldn't he be punished for that? As for your other assertion that breaking Libby's taillight is entrapment, I have to continue to disagree. I have never read of any case involving this particular incident being thrown out of court as entrapment on the part of the police. Libby was already guilty of committing a felony; drug trafficking. They had to pull her car over. They needed a reason to do so. Lilly busted her taillight. How were they trapping her into committing a crime? She was already committing one! Cops don't go around breaking peoples' taillights if they don't have solid evidence you're already in commission of a felony. |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Mar 12, 2009 7:59:33 GMT -5
Sure Lilly was wrong but I doubt they would charge Libby with breaking her taillight, plus I doubt that her charge would be brough against her for that. The fact that she had drugs would be enough to convict her. As for Lilly, I don't think anything would happy it's just a show, relax people. This isn't real life... As for cops doing that, I think some would just bend the rules to do that, not all.
Like i had said before how would Lilly even get caught, they don't have a camera in there and it would be not likely for Scotty to rat her out. Enough Said on this one...
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Post by anneinchicago on Mar 16, 2009 9:50:48 GMT -5
I voted Ok just to be nice, but I wasn't at all thrilled or interested or moved by this case.
I think one of the problems I had was, to me, the unbelievability. The father is going to prison. He knows he is going to prison. Yet this father makes no arrangements for someone to look after his daughter? No relatives? Friends? Neighbors? Services like child protective? No one? Just go off to prison and leave your daughter to live in a foreclosed houses without a backward look. He must have had a lawyer. Didn't the lawyer say anything?
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She was wearing it! ;D
