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Post by irishkale on Jan 18, 2009 12:21:07 GMT -5
RUSH AND THE TEAM REOPEN THE 1967 CASE OF A MURDERED BRUSH SALESMAN WHEN HIS REMAINS ARE FOUND AT THE BOTTOM OF A DUCK POND, ON "COLD CASE," AT A SPECIAL TIME, SUNDAY, JAN. 25, 8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT
"The Brush Man" - Rush and team reopen the 1967 murder case of a brush salesman when his remains are found at the bottom of a duck pond. They learn that he had a hidden past and that some people in his territory were afraid he would reveal secrets he knew about them, on COLD CASE, at a special time, Sunday, Jan. 25 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.
SERIES REGULARS:
Lilly Rush: Kathryn Morris Scotty Valens: Danny Pino Lt. John Stillman: John Finn Nick Vera: Jeremy Ratchford Will Jeffries: Thom Barry Kat Miller: Tracie Thoms
RECURRING CAST:
Paul Cooper: Raymond J. Barry
GUEST CAST:
Roy W. Gunn: Bailey Chase Glenn Drew '67: William Ragsdale Glenn Drew '09: Monte Markham Kevin Drew '67: Drew Osborne Kevin Drew '09: Duane Whitaker Diane Drew '67: Wynn Everett Diane Drew '09: Pat Crowley Norm Fawnshawe '67: Matthew Alan Norm Fawnshawe '09: Brad Greenquist Joannie Pogue '67: Alexa Havins Joannie Pogue '09: Robyn Peterson Alice Mills '67: Alla Korot Alice Mills '09: Hildy Brooks Harry Hapgood '67: Justin Ipock Harry Hapgood '09: Jerry Hardin ND Young Man '67: Jon Bradford
WRITTEN BY: Elwood Reid
DIRECTED BY: Roxann Dawson
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jan 25, 2009 21:02:47 GMT -5
I've been wanting to see Lilly bringing closure to her mother's death, this really was a good way of doing it. Her confinding in her father, then the two at the cementary together; was a good thing.
Lilly needed comfort and support; and I think having her dad there was a very good thing.
Vera shaving in the mens bathroom was priceless, especially the reaction on Lil's face.
One of the Guest Stars, Jerry Hardin whom played the modern day Harry; also played the Character Deep Throat on the X-files during Season 1.
This episode was much better than the last two, it had a lot of heart. One of the characters Remidned me of Boo Radley; a character from " To Kill a Mockingbird".
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Post by Naj on Jan 25, 2009 21:09:27 GMT -5
This case turned out better than I was thinking the whole thing might be in the early minutes of the episode. I was really taken in by this case story. I remember those brushes the door to door salesmen used to leave. lol I totally forgot about those days until I saw him hand one out. Vera in the women's room? Why? Did Jeffries give Vera a key to his place? I didn't understand that.
Lilly finally tells her father about her mom. It was done very well. To bad there's not more stuff like this to challenge Lilly (actually KM's acting ability). So now I wonder if her dad will just disappear and why haven't either of them spoken about Christina.
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Post by coldboneslove398 on Jan 25, 2009 21:17:33 GMT -5
I've been wanting to see Lilly bringing closure to her mother's death, this really was a good way of doing it. Her confinding in her father, then the two at the cementary together; was a good thing. Damn! I can't believe I missed another CC episode. I really have to start watching CC this season . I haven't seen any other episode besides the Season 6's premiere ep. and the one episode where Lilly meets her father.
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Post by Electrophile on Jan 25, 2009 21:28:56 GMT -5
After last week's stinker of an episode, this was a breath of fresh air. I really loved this episode. I loved the character of Roy Dunn. I thought he truly wanted to help Diane and her son after realizing the home they lived in. It obviously jogged his memory of why he served time in Sing Sing....Alice Miller was the victim of an abusive husband. I thought it was really creepy how Glenn tried to make it seem like Roy was a molestor or something like that when he said he didn't like Kevin spending time with him. I think Glenn was jealous that his son would prefer the fatherly attention of someone else, someone who wouldn't beat him and his mom.
I thought the interactions between Lilly and her father were a lot better this time. The scene in the car was really good, and it echoed later on when Lilly was talking to Kevin....that sometimes people shouldn't stay together. It was almost like in that instance she understood.
Overall, a great episode.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jan 25, 2009 21:33:47 GMT -5
Naj- Vera let Toni move in, and it didn't work out. That's why Vera's been sleeping at the office; thus Jefferies giving him the key. I think her dad might be in more ( no Spoliers) episodes, I already think he somehow is keeping a big secret from her. It seems to me that Cooper's still adjusting to having Lilly back in his life, but perhaps it's guilt for leaving her years ago. Anyone pick up that perhaps Scotty's not buying into the fact that Lilly ran into traffic, she already used this excuse back in 6X10- Street Money; she even stepped pretty hard on the brakes when pulling up.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 25, 2009 21:39:24 GMT -5
Naj- Vera let Toni move in, and it didn't work out. That's why Vera's been sleeping at the office; thus Jefferies giving him the key. Has this been portrayed before?
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Jan 25, 2009 21:58:31 GMT -5
I won't go into the whole of the episode just yet. (I want to absorb it some more.) But I noticed a couple of things.
1. Possible goof? In the scene where they're putting away Roy's box, the date on the box reads Feb '09
2. Ellen's date of birth was November 2nd, 1944. Does anyone know how old she was when she gave birth to Lilly?
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Post by stonecold44 on Jan 25, 2009 23:05:47 GMT -5
I really liked this one. It was easy to dismiss Abnormal Norm as his character had no reason to kill Roy. Still, it was odd that he had Roy's book. You had to figure it was a man because of the chore of dragging a body to the water and tying weights to it, that kind of eliminated a woman. That really only left one person. The storyline then shifted to motive. Since it's already been reviewed in this thread, there's no need for me to pile on. The date on the box was a bit curious, Feb '09.
Does anyone else think Roy, with that hat and square jaw, look like Dick Tracy?
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 25, 2009 23:20:58 GMT -5
I won't go into the whole of the episode just yet. (I want to absorb it some more.) But I noticed a couple of things. 1. Possible goof? In the scene where they're putting away Roy's box, the date on the box reads Feb '09 2. Ellen's date of birth was November 2nd, 1944. Does anyone know how old she was when she gave birth to Lilly? The date on the box was a bit curious, Feb '09. -Maybe at first the episode was scheduled to be aired in Feb 2009 and later they decide to air it in January -Lilly was born in late 60's, so she was 23/25 years old when she gave birth to Lilly
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Jan 25, 2009 23:46:36 GMT -5
That makes Lilly either 39, 40, 41, or 42 years old.
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Post by Electrophile on Jan 25, 2009 23:46:46 GMT -5
I won't go into the whole of the episode just yet. (I want to absorb it some more.) But I noticed a couple of things. 1. Possible goof? In the scene where they're putting away Roy's box, the date on the box reads Feb '09 Maybe it's February already in the Cold Case universe. Either that or as others have said, the episode was meant to be aired in February. I did ask myself quickly, why it didn't say June '67 on there, which is when Roy died, but then I remembered....they didn't find him until this month (or next month). Duh.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 25, 2009 23:50:34 GMT -5
That makes Lilly either 39, 40, 41, or 42 years old. Yep, That's right! Lilly is not a teenager ;D
I won't go into the whole of the episode just yet. (I want to absorb it some more.) But I noticed a couple of things. 1. Possible goof? In the scene where they're putting away Roy's box, the date on the box reads Feb '09 Maybe it's February already in the Cold Case universe. Either that or as others have said, the episode was meant to be aired in February. I did ask myself quickly, why it didn't say June '67 on there, which is when Roy died, but then I remembered....they didn't find him until this month (or next month). Duh. Yep, Usually when It's a case of a missing person found dead, they put the date when they found the person... Yeah, sometimes we forget some details with so many episodes shown
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Post by toddsmitts on Jan 26, 2009 1:07:12 GMT -5
Overall a pretty decent episode. I will say I was kind of sorry the dad turned out to be the doer, since he was so obvious. I guess it had to be him in the end though, in order to set his family free (as was the case in "Churchgoing People"). Besides which, it would have been damn hard for a woman to dispose of a grown man's body (as has been pointed out to me in a certain story ) -It's a pity the writers just seemed to lose interest in Toni and Andre. I thought there was real appeal in showing Vera as a father figure and a family man (and we never did learn anything about where Andre's father is). Frankly, I think that's more interesting than the broad, predictable "Odd Couple" gags we'll probably get from Vera living with Jeffires. -As L2 pointed out, yes Jerry Hardin was Deep Throat on "The X-Files". He's also the father of Melora Hardin from "The Office". -Spealing of cast members, Glenn was played by William Ragsdale. Interesting thing is about ten years back, he was on a decent little short-lived "TGIF" sitcom called "Brother's Keeper" (basically the same premise as "Two and Half Men"). Ragsdale was the uptight single dad (i.e. Jon Cryer) while the irresponsible slacker brother (i.e. Charlie Sheen) was played by Sean O'Bryan, who played another murderer earlier this season in "Glory Days". (Maybe they'll end up sharing a cell! That'd be fun to watch). -Much as I liked the story and premise, I gotta say, I found Bailey Chase's acting a little stiff (though maybe that's just me). Maybe women like that chiseled look, but he didn't seem all that charming to me, which seems like it would have been something important to convey. Maybe someone like Aaron Eckhart in "The Dark Knight" (before he got all burned and nuts) would have been a better template. He had the looks AND the charm! (Whoo! Am I gushing? lol!) -Lilly reconnecting with her father. Unlike the Vera stuff, this actually looks promising. Ellen Rush apparently died on May 5, 2007. I checked the airdate for "Stalker". It's exactly one day later on May 6, 2007. (And he STILL hasn't asked about Christina! And Lilly hasn't volunteered any info either. When was the last time she was even mentioned on the show?)
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 26, 2009 1:31:04 GMT -5
Besides which, it would have been damn hard for a woman to dispose of a grown man's body (as has been pointed out to me in a certain story ) (And he STILL hasn't asked about Christina! And Lilly hasn't volunteered any info either. When was the last time she was even mentioned on the show?) *In what story, a cold case episode? *I think we have to be patient, the time will come. At least Lilly told his dad that Ellen died... that's something!!! I have just watched this episode and let me tell you It was excellent!!! I can't post right now all my thoughts because I am at work right now so I'll re watch this one tomorrow and post a very long comment
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Post by irishkale on Jan 26, 2009 2:01:12 GMT -5
My vote: One of the Season's Best! This was a great episode in so many respects. It had an interesting victim, who was very "3 dimensional." The structure of the episode allowed us as the viewers to discover this like peeling away the layers of an onion-- we see Roy in the beginning as a one-dimensional always-optimistic salesman, but we learn through the progression of the case that he had a much darker side to him (his manslaughter conviction.) We also learn that he had a very deep caring for the people who can't defend themselves. He was like a "flawed superman"; this made him an endearing character, which for me is very important so that I can really get into the episode. The aspects of him being a baseball player & having the connection to the wife of the man that he killed was a really cool touch by the writer of the episode, Elwood Reid. A tremendous performance by actor Bailey Chase as Roy the Brush Man. The entire cast was great in their roles, in fact. Special mention of Duane Whitaker as the 2009 version of Kevin. His scene with Lilly in the interrogation room was really beautiful. It was the right decision to play the character very soft and delicate. Sometimes they also spoil it by allowing the Lilly character to carry the emotional "weight" by doing the whole "I was abused too thing" and getting her all teary-eyed. They didn't do that here, and it was good that they didn't. They let the guest actor dictate the scene, and it played incredibly well. Amazing music in this one. Velvet Underground was totally unexpected, but worked out perfectly. One of the best ending montage songs I've seen in the series in my opinion. The storyline in general was very very good. It didn't have alot of suspects in terms of numbers, so it became more about waiting to see who Roy p*ssed off too much. Which was fine with me, because the character of Roy was so interesting to watch. I was glad to see him have as much screen time as possible. The scene in the park! This is a good example of how you don't have to show anything graphic, but the mind fills in the details. I hope CBS doesn't get in trouble for that scene. I can see CBS getting heat for just a "suggestion" of what was going on there. Now for the fun... Vera in his underwear!!!! An instant classic Vera scene!!! And yes, Jeffries was giving Vera the spare key to his apartment at the end... (After a long shot of Vera scowling at the office couch.) Can't wait for the shot of Vera & Jeffries sharing a double bed (ala the famous scene in "Planes, Trains & Automobiles.") Vera & Jeffries are comedy gold in my book. Remember the tupperware scene in "Wednesday's Women." Jeffries : "I ain't buyin' no DAMN Tupperware!" Lilly & her father. The scenes with Lilly & Dad in the car were awesome! Great acting by KM here. The ending montage was so good, seeing Lilly & her father by the grave of Ellen. I just wish the writers/producers would let Lilly & her Dad express affection for each other. Maybe a little arm around the shoulder? C'mon, Producers, let Lilly have some familial comfort. She deserves it after 6 years They should have Christina back... but I was just looking at Nicki Aycox on IMDB & she's going to have a major role in an upcoming series on TNT. She might be too busy with the new show. Bruckheimer is producing that one, too... Never know, she might be able to come back in a cameo on CC.... Todd: Maybe the wife helped drag the body to the pond, you never know
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 26, 2009 2:12:25 GMT -5
They didn't do that here, and it was good that they didn't. They let the guest actor dictate the scene, and it played incredibly well. At some point I though Gleen had raped his own son but I'm glad It did not happened. He just saw his dad having ***** with another man and Gleen hit Kevin for what Kevin saw, right? The scene in the park! This is a good example of how you don't have to show anything graphic, but the mind fills in the details. I hope CBS doesn't get in trouble for that scene. I can see CBS getting heat for just a "suggestion" of what was going on there. What, that was nothing graphic and the act was not even mentioned on the episode...On CSI or any other show they would have mentioned Oral sex(or other pejorative term) but they did not. She might be too busy with the new show. Bruckheimer is producing that one, too... Never know, she might be able to come back in a cameo on CC.... Maybe just 1 episode where Lilly and Paul visit her in jail Todd: Maybe the wife helped drag the body to the pond, you never know Diane did not help Glenn... Btw, how so someone said that in another episode a woman killed a man and disposed of his body??? I can't remember right now
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Post by beldasnoop on Jan 26, 2009 2:39:08 GMT -5
This may be a dumb question, but are we sure Lily and Christina have the same father?
I liked this episode a lot. I gave it an "excellent". It had a lot of things going for it--great performances, believable story, sympathetic but not too perfect victim, and a compelling final montage.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 26, 2009 2:52:54 GMT -5
This may be a dumb question, but are we sure Lily and Christina have the same father? That's something I had been thinking about... Maybe they're only half sisters
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jan 26, 2009 10:02:12 GMT -5
I think Lilly's probably as old as KM, or a year younger.
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