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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 26, 2009 10:38:06 GMT -5
I think Lilly's probably as old as KM, or a year younger. yeah, I like they chose an actress that fits the age |
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Post by cellogal on Jan 26, 2009 10:47:26 GMT -5
It was so nice to watch this show, turn it off, and not be mad about anything afterwards! Everything worked together just perfectly, I thought.
The case...I thought Roy was one of the more fascinating victims we've had. I totally agree with BT's "flawed Superman" assessment. This guy's heart was in the right place, clearly, but his actions were sometimes stupid at best, fatal at worst. I particularly enjoyed that brief snippet of conversation we got with Roy and Kevin where Roy implied that his childhood was similarly screwed-up; my guess is that Roy was either abused as a child or his father abused his mother, and he's spent his adult life trying to save others from the same fate. Anyway, really intriguing character. And yes, the doer was obvious, but sometimes, that's life. Sometimes it IS the most obvious person. I thought the show was great to avoid some obvious cliches (Roy was a flirt, yes, but never went beyond what they called his "purely professional flirtation," even though he easily could have), and this was one of them. Sometimes, in their efforts to make the doer The Person You'd Least Suspect, the murder scene is incredibly contrived (i. e. this person and I have never, ever disagreed about anything, ever...but now I'm mad, so I'll shove him/her down the stairs in a fit of rage!). Glenn had a clear motive (although the motive itself was a twist; I called the affair, but they still surprised me), he'd had previous conflicts with Roy, and he clearly had serious anger issues. If I were Roy, I'd have chosen to confront such a person somewhere other than in his workshop surrounded by sharp implements, but that's just me.
I thought the symbolism of the blood spatter on the "Drew Family" wood carving was tragically beautiful.
Non-case stuff...Vera never ceases to make me laugh. Lilly and I had exactly the same reaction when she opened the door to the ladies' room. I'm sad to see the end of Vera/Toni, because I loved those two together, but Vera and Jeffries living together should prove amusing. Whether it'll be amusing enough to make up for the loss of Toni and Andre? No idea. But amusing nonetheless.
Lilly and her dad...way, WAY better than the last scene these two had together. Lots of comments have already been made about why it was a good scene, so I won't be redundant, but suffice it to say it was an excellent scene, and, I think, really important for Lilly and Cooper as individual characters and as father/daughter.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jan 26, 2009 10:53:44 GMT -5
Lil/Dad scene, you could acutally see the tears threatening to fall out of Lilly's eyes. She wants to talk about losing her mother, but can't quite do it. I think having her father around is the best thing, rather than a friend or a love that isn't going to stay around.
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Post by cellogal on Jan 26, 2009 11:59:01 GMT -5
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jan 26, 2009 12:13:52 GMT -5
It's weird to see Jerry Hardin again especially with the beard. Getting back onto Cooper, I think he's hiding something from Lilly; in order to protect or he doesn't want to cause her anymore emotional breakdowns so to speak. Also I think Cooper doesn't also want to see her pushing him away.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 26, 2009 13:40:32 GMT -5
I had high expectations for this episode and let me tell you: IT WAS BETTER THAN I WAS EXPECTING
I voted for ONE OF THIS SEASON’S BEST
*Elwood Reid and Roxanne Dawson... excellent combination
*60's cases are ALWAYS wonderful(Wednesdays women, wings, one small step, goodbye room, strange fruit, boy crazy, a time to hate just to mention a few)
*Music, flashback, acting, directing, clothes EXCELLENT!
*Excellent final montage
*Multi-dimensional and likeable victim
*Both Kevins were excellent played by the guest actors
*We knew who the killer was but I was surprised with the why!
*I thought they were going to bring again the issue of sexual abuse... but I am glad they didn't
*Joanie was funny 
*Why didn't Alice appear in the final montage? She was an important character
*Right people saw the victim (How sentimental it was when Kevin was re united with his mother) but anyway I WANT DETECTIVES TO SEE THE VICTIM!!!!
*I’m bringing this back but one of the few things I don’t like this season is that detectives are not seeing the victim
*Simple case but compelling after the last one that was the worse in cc history... The Brush had a unique style not seen too many times in Cold Case. It was simple, yet complicated with likeable people…
*Supermarket scene was similar to Thrill Kill in the women’s bathroom
*The murder scene and the scene where Roy punched Glenn were flawless
*Lilly and his dad--- I liked it... As I said before, I think Christina and Lilly are only half sisters... they do not have the same dad…I think
*Vera---LOL I lolled when Jeffries said “I would have never figured out you wore tighty whities” and Vera says “Rush”
*Lilly's face when she saw Vera 
*Norm was such an excellent character but they did the same the last episode: Someone we thought was the killer wasn't: in the previous episode was the man with the dogs. Btw, both actors playing Norm were excellent!
*Gay Oral sex in '67... I think the way they showed it was appropriate... not much graphic or audio description.
*The only thing I did not like is that Miller & Stillman did not have too much screen time on this episode! 
*Lilly reflected in the interview with Kevin her dad issues.Funny Phrases:
Stop right there detective
Sinfully good
I went to the front yard to get a little color
QUESTIONS!!!!
*I don't understand how Philly PD could have let Vera sleep in the office. Isn't it illegal?
*Roy was accused of theft too by his boss? How so? That was the money he was giving to Alice?
*Some people stated there was before an episode where a woman killed a man and disposed of his body even if he was a grown man... do you remember this?
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jan 26, 2009 14:24:53 GMT -5
I don't recall any episode like that, but I don't think there was one of a woman killing a man and disposing of his body.
2. The money was for Alice, and I don't remember him really being accused of stealing any money
3. Vera probably pretended to work, then took a cat nap. I'm guessing, I think Stillman's aware but simple keeps his mouth shut.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 26, 2009 14:35:12 GMT -5
I don't recall any episode like that, but I don't think there was one of a woman killing a man and disposing of his body. 2. The money was for Alice, and I don't remember him really being accused of stealing any money 3. Vera probably pretended to work, then took a cat nap. I'm guessing, I think Stillman's aware but simple keeps his mouth shut. *Yes, Stillman said the boss acussed Roy for theft... It was not a big detail but anyway... We did not get a lot of Kat Miller this eppy |
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Post by myril on Jan 26, 2009 15:17:30 GMT -5
*Roy was accused of theft too by his boss? How so? That was the money he was giving to Alice?
*Some people stated there was before an episode where a woman killed a man and disposed of his body even if he was a grown man... do you remember this?
[/b][/color][/quote] His boss didn't know, that Roy was killed, so he assumed, that Roy walked off with the money he made, thus filed a theft report in June 1967. No one said anything about an episode of Cold Case, where that happened, only something about a story - probably fan fiction. Besides, with the right techniques it can be be surprising what weights people can move, it's not all about strength. Anyway, we know it was a man here.  I'm way too tired to sort out my thoughts about the episode now, but guess, would agree with most that had been said already. A very good episode. |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 26, 2009 15:19:52 GMT -5
Thanks Myril! Another thing I forgot to mention is that even if I'm hating that detectives are not seeing the victim. I like we have had cases from years we had never had before(yeah, I look those details) 1951: Shore Leave 1960: Wings 1967: The Brush Man I'm in love with 60's cases... |
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Post by zoé on Jan 26, 2009 17:58:20 GMT -5
A pretty good episode! Maybe because the premise of a salesman sounded boring... but I found Roy utterly charming and he totally sold me the episode - Hate that Toni/Vera are not longer an item, because she was the only love interest that I really appreciate in Cold Case and I'm getting tired of the lone wolf syndrome in the cold squad. And why wouldn't Vera go to a motel just like when he broke up with his wife? - Lilly gossiping about Vera's slip, nice role switch! - Did someone notice the blurred images when Norm was around? Perhaps it was meant to show how his sight was. - I was so disappointed when they first brought Lil's dad but this encounter was very moving, it touched the mom death issue that we haven't heard about in one and a half year and it echoed with the case, so that's perfect for me! Just like in "A good death", which Lilly tells about, really nicely done. Can't wait to see more of them and learn what happened between Ellen and him. - It's the third episode in a row where they flash their guns and have a tonitruant arrest (the dad in "Lotto Fever", the guy with the dog in "Breaking News") and the guys turn up being completely harmless and we end up feeling pity for them. - So glad the husband was the doer... It is surprising when it's eventually the most obvious - Yay for the velvet underground! Usually I don't know any of the music when it's an episode from the sixties. I don't remember having felt something during the closing montage in a while. Parallels with "Shore Leave" (they share the same writer): - they find very old remains in a very dirty place but instantly find an object to identify the body - no box - victim is a guy whose only thought is to help others but ends up stupidly killed because he turns his back at the very worst moment - doer is totally unsympathetic - victim is accused of bad things (deserter for Tully and pick anything for Roy among: seducer of married women, thief, murderer, stalker, child abuser) - good development of a character besides the victim/doer: Lenny in Shore Leave and Kevin here This may be a dumb question, but are we sure Lily and Christina have the same father? That's something I had been thinking about... Maybe they're only half sisters I have no idea... Dad left them when Lil was 6 years old and I don't remember how many years Christina is younger. Funny!
*I’m bringing this back but one of the few things I don’t like this season is that detectives are not seeing the victimI have been missing that this season too. The detectives are no longer invested in the cases, it feels like it's just a job. I can't imagine Lilly putting the picture of the victim on her bedstand anymore (creepy as it was!).
*Some people stated there was before an episode where a woman killed a man and disposed of his body even if he was a grown man... do you remember this?I can recall only 2 episodes with women killing a man and disposing of the body: - Church Going People, but she was helped by her son to get rid of the body - Blank Generation, but the guy looked tiny |
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Jan 26, 2009 19:00:36 GMT -5
I was pleasantly surprised by this episode. I have to admit that I watched it reluctantly, because honestly, this season has not been one of the best. I think I liked it because they actually developed Roy's character, and it was nice to see that he wasn't an evil wife deserter, husband killer, child abuser.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 27, 2009 5:05:11 GMT -5
- It's the third episode in a row where they flash their guns and have a tonitruant arrest (the dad in "Lotto Fever", the guy with the dog in "Breaking News") and the guys turn up being completely harmless and we end up feeling pity for them. Hi zoé  At least we both like an episode I'm sorry here but the dad in "Lotto Fever" was creepy too! I have been missing that this season too. The detectives are no longer invested in the cases, it feels like it's just a job. I can't imagine Lilly putting the picture of the victim on her bedstand anymore (creepy as it was!). I really liked. I know family/friends had more ties to the victim but in some cases detectives have been very involved too Lilly in: Breaking news, The Brush Man, Lotto Fever, Street Money, The Dealer Vera in: Triple Threat & One small step Miller in Wednesday's women Stillman in Shore Leave Jeffries in Glory Days So, writers! Give the chances to detectives to see the victim I have to admit that I watched it reluctantly, because honestly, this season has not been one of the best. I have been thinking about the classic complain"Cold Case is not as it was before" and I have been catching reruns and previous seasons also had several bad episodes. Season 1 was cool because the show was new and everything but that season had several weak episodes too, Season 2 was boring and they gave too much attention to detectives' personal lives. Season 3  , Season 4 was the best(and it had bad eps too). Season 5 was not the best but It's not half as bad as others and I have found this season between Good and very good. I have not rated it as excellent because of "Triple Threat", "Street Money" and the worse in cc history "Breaking News" And remember that Cold Case has totally different producers, writers and directors. People from first seasons are almost all gone I'm gonna mention a few weak episodes from the first 2 seasons *"Hubris" *"Disco Inferno" *"Late Returns" *"Greed" *"Lover's Lane" *"The Badlands" *"Blank Generation" *"Yo, Adrian" (one of the less popular episodes ever!) *"Schadenfreude" *"Kensington" |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jan 27, 2009 10:24:22 GMT -5
I liked how they made one of the characters like " Boo Radley", from To kill A Mockingbird. How he was in seclusion, and rarely came out. They made him out to be a bad person, coming out at Scotty like that but really he wasn't a bad person at all. Just misunderstood.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Jan 27, 2009 12:00:23 GMT -5
I liked how they made one of the characters like " Boo Radley", from To kill A Mockingbird. How he was in seclusion, and rarely came out. They made him out to be a bad person, coming out at Scotty like that but really he wasn't a bad person at all. Just misunderstood. |
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Post by stillmanfan on Apr 22, 2010 16:06:20 GMT -5
Thought it was a great episode. I thought Kevin had killed Roy. That was interesting it was Glenn. Loved seeing Vera in his whities.  Liked that Jefferies offered Vera his key and thought it was nice. I think Vera didn't have much money to go into a hotel, I mean those things do cost money. I'm glad that Paul and Lilly did talk and the ending was nice. |
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Post by andp on Aug 23, 2023 22:59:46 GMT -5
Last Friday I met William Ragsdale and asked him about this episode. He said that he had a great time working on it and particularly remembered the contacts he had to wear as well as working with Monte, Brad, and the others. It seems everybody always has nice things to say about their experiences on this show.
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, Season 4 was the best(and it had bad eps too). Season 5 was not the best but It's not half as bad as others and I have found this season between Good and very good. I have not rated it as excellent because of "Triple Threat", "Street Money" and the worse in cc history "Breaking News"
