cellogal
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Post by cellogal on Oct 16, 2008 15:38:11 GMT -5
I agree. I loved that final scene. Well, okay, not loved, because it was heartbreaking, but it was so, so effective. And you're right, I don't think we've ever gotten a "follow-up to the confession" scene. They've been doing the confessions slightly differently this season; last week, if I remember right, the person who told what happened wasn't the killer himself, but the witness. I kinda like the shake-up.
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Post by eduardodelroice on Oct 17, 2008 6:05:13 GMT -5
It has not been the first time we see another scene after the confession I can't remember when exactly but it had happened in very few episodes before but very few  |
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Post by zoé on Oct 19, 2008 5:49:31 GMT -5
The only ones I can recall where there were additional scenes after the murder flashback are Fireflies and Thick as thieves... but that was because the victims were not dead.
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Post by riche on Oct 19, 2008 8:12:00 GMT -5
The episode was a little unusual in sort of having 2 confessions. One covering the killing, the other the dumping of the body.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Oct 19, 2008 9:31:26 GMT -5
Notice that in this and the last episode both of the victims were 22.
Another thing, Violet made another mistake by telling the detectives" You know what that Humidity does to your hair", a clear indication that she was in fact there.
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Post by boxman on Oct 19, 2008 10:28:03 GMT -5
Notice that in this and the last episode both of the victims were 22. Another thing, Violet made another mistake by telling the detectives" You know what that Humidity does to your hair", a clear indication that she was in fact there. Ah, good catch! The ending when the girls get back to Philadelphia sealed the deal for me; I couldn't imagine how I'd react if I had been in Violet's position, but a healthy dose of rage would have been thrown in for good measure. People always think the South was full of racists and bigotry and discrimination while the North was a beacon of tolerance and love, but the "two coloreds and a Jew" line showed that even large, diverse cities like Philadelphia were not exempt from it. Well-said! (and welcome to the board, by the way!) I'm still having a hard time pointing out the specifics of exactly why I loved this episode as much as I did (and maybe that in itself is the mark of great work - being unable to pinpoint all the reasons why it's so great)... but the scene you picked out was definitely one of the big stand-out moments, for exactly the reasons you gave. The 'two coloureds and a Jew' line actually struck me like on an almost-physical level, and it was beautiful - in a tragic way - to see that heartbreak reflected on the girls' faces. And, while I remember to ask, as a general point,... was this the first time (notwithstanding those episodes where the killer is known from the get-go) we've been given an additional flashback scene after the confession? I couldn't think of another off the top of my head, and I kind of feel that it has much greater impact for being that way. Yeah, that final scene back in Philly with "a Jew and two Coloreds" also had a very strong visual impact too. All throughout the episode, they shown the women in their "Sunday Bests", even with the clean white gloves. So when the trio walked into the station all worn and dirty, it was a clear indication they had just gone through something very horrific. Visually, a very stark contrast to the whole "60s-pretty" look that was done up until that point. |
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Post by riche on Oct 19, 2008 10:31:15 GMT -5
Another thing, Violet made another mistake by telling the detectives" You know what that Humidity does to your hair", a clear indication that she was in fact there. Ah, good catch! She did say that she didn't go, because of the humidity. |
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Post by mitchy on Oct 21, 2008 12:17:23 GMT -5
I'm very late to the party, but I have to post to say how much I adored this episode. Everyone's pretty much already covered all the reasons, suffice to say that John Finn needs to direct again, soon, and kudus to the production team for figuring out a clever way of having Tracie sing in an episode. Brilliant, brilliant ep, that's going to be in my top five for a long time.
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Post by tereza on Nov 1, 2008 15:07:01 GMT -5
Where did you read this is Bobby's last episode?  It's true or not? I hope Eddie will be back |
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Post by SamIam on Nov 1, 2008 16:24:02 GMT -5
well he went undercover long term and all the upcoming cast lists dont have him on them. I hope he comes back too. he made lilly so happy!  <3 Samantha |
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Post by tereza on Nov 1, 2008 16:44:35 GMT -5
well he went undercover long term and all the upcoming cast lists dont have him on them. I hope he comes back too. he made lilly so happy! <3 Samantha you're right, I also noticed that in next episodes his name's not written but definitely he will be back. I believe that. He and lilly are so sweet together - especially in this episode, bowling scene was so cute  |
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Post by SamIam on Nov 1, 2008 17:13:26 GMT -5
yeah...she was sooooo depressed in season 5. I was so glad that she was actual doing stuff other than work. Whe went bowling ! and then rollerskating in roller girl. I agree, he WiILL be back <3 Samantha |
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Post by myril on Nov 2, 2008 6:24:53 GMT -5
Not a surprise that I loved this episode. It's already on my list of best eps of all seasons. First of all because of the case and the victim. Strong female character, someone standing up and fighting for the rights of others (and herself), particular a person doing so you might not expect to on first sight (middle-class housewives, selling tupper ware, care about house and family not about politics, normally, yeah, prejudices), a person to inspire.
In addition, watching this episode in this time, meaning, in a time of election and a very particular one, gave the whole story line a special appeal (coincidence?), at least when knowing the historical context. Freedom Summer in 1964 in Mississippi was one of the campaigns aiming at helping African Americans to register to vote, the Freedom schools an effort to offer an alternative to the segregated school system.
Loved this moment with the women in the car, Miriam telling, "it's about all of us, our friendship and the world telling us, that we can't be friends." Equal rights, no matter what gender, colour, religion. Great they made that connection.
Touching the moment at the end, as others mentioned. Can't say it any better as Electrophile already did. BTW, Michael Schwerner and Andrew Goodman, 2 of the three killed volunteers, mentioned in the episode, were Jews.
It was though not just a touching case. The story was well written and it was a good acting. John Finn did a good job as director. The close-ups, the nervousness in the scene at the beginning between Lilly and Eddie (noticed how the cam kinda jumps around them), the interrogations, well done.
Add little stuff, moments for the team, as in the beginning the women kinda teaming up against Vera (lol, poor guy, he always gets these moments), Vera and his tupper ware, Kat and Jeffries in Mississippi, little moments of light fun balancing out the deepness of the case. Add a relaxed relationsship moment for Lilly.
And I loved, that Kat had the lead in this case, in this episode. Very, very fitting to let Tracie sing the song in the end montage, well done to show Kat with her daughter in the end.
Excellent!!!!!
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Post by jambled on Nov 16, 2008 3:13:59 GMT -5
Loved this episode... The bowling, the singing, the racial theme of it all... Great ep! I've missed the detectives having some of their private lives enclosed in each ep.
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Post by SamIam on Nov 22, 2008 21:16:43 GMT -5
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Post by jambled on Nov 23, 2008 4:46:12 GMT -5
Hee... Look at his little hat.
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Post by Electrophile on Nov 25, 2008 1:15:02 GMT -5
As it is, I'll say this... Best Of Season? The hell with that, it's looking to become one of my personal Best Of All Time. Sorry to bump an older thread, but I re-watched this episode earlier and I have to 100% agree with this statement. As good as episodes in the past have been, I think it'll take a lot on the part of CC to ever top this episode. I said it in my original post, but sometimes this subject matter can be hard to put across in a one-hour show because you can run the risk of being too preachy and losing the characters in the midst of making your point. That didn't happen here. For me, if the ending makes me not only want to watch it more than once, but completely empathize with a character/victim, then the show succeeded. This more than did that. Anyone who hasn't had a chance to see it again since it aired, please try and watch it.....it's a Cold Case masterpiece. Small correction - RichE |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Nov 25, 2008 8:06:40 GMT -5
As it is, I'll say this... Best Of Season? The hell with that, it's looking to become one of my personal Best Of All Time. Sorry to bump an older thread, but I re-watched this episode earlier and I have to 100% agree with this statement. As good as episodes in the past have been, I think it'll take a lot on the part of CC to ever top this episode. I said it in my original post, but sometimes this subject matter can be hard to put across in a one-hour show because you can run the risk of being too preachy and losing the characters in the midst of making your point. That didn't happen here. For me, if the ending makes me not only want to watch it more than once, but completely empathize with a character/victim, then the show succeeded. This more than did that. Anyone who hasn't had a chance to see it again since it aired, please try and watch it.....it's a Cold Case masterpiece. Small correction - RichERight! I mean, It's not my favorite of this season but sometimes one has to be objective and in this case this a masterpiece... along with great titles that every Cold Case fan I know say it's one of the best even if it's not of the favorites Season 1: Time to hate Season 2: The Woods Season 3: Saving P Bubley Season 4: Forever Blue Season 5: The Road Season 6: WW Those episodes are not even my favorites for that specific season(except for Time to hate) but those are masterpieces because they touched important themes like Racism, homphobia, gay policemen, gang violence or they involved an impotant part of detectives personal life or at last they changed the formula... So... It's that way, CC makes diff episodes for diff people |
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Post by eduardodelroice on Apr 16, 2009 19:18:07 GMT -5
It's always good to catch re-runs... I have rewatched this episode along with others and yes: This is my favorite until now. Don't get me wrong: I loved the beloved "Officer down" but that one had a resource this did not have: personal drama. Miriam Forrester is something you will never forget. I understood her because I feel that way: depressed with a life that does not work(she did not have a good relationship with her husband) and she wanted to make a difference(as Laura in 6.02 True Calling)... One of the best cold case episodes ever! Lilly/Eddie= ow OW! some serious action going on!  Oh yes Plus this episode kept mentioning the KKK. This indicated to me that one of the characters was going to be a member of the clan. I also liked how they showed he lied because he did not have a leave: he was expelled. As it is, I'll say this... Best Of Season? The hell with that, it's looking to become one of my personal Best Of All Time. Same for me More triva, when Violet mentions about she doesn't think about it in forty years; she must have been mistaken. It would have been extactly 44 yrs not 40; since that would have been around 1968; not 64 She just gave an average number I agree. I loved that final scene. Well, okay, not loved, because it was heartbreaking, but it was so, so effective. And you're right, I don't think we've ever gotten a "follow-up to the confession" scene. They've been doing the confessions slightly differently this season; last week, if I remember right, the person who told what happened wasn't the killer himself, but the witness. I kinda like the shake-up. Yes: I think we had something after the confession before... in "Saving Patrick Bubley", maybe? Yes, I loved when the killer does not confess but there's enough evidence to cath him/her. the same happened in "True Calling" The only ones I can recall where there were additional scenes after the murder flashback are Fireflies and Thick as thieves... but that was because the victims were not dead. "Saving Patrick Bubley"? The episode was a little unusual in sort of having 2 confessions. One covering the killing, the other the dumping of the body. Right! Loved this moment with the women in the car, Miriam telling, "it's about all of us, our friendship and the world telling us, that we can't be friends." Equal rights, no matter what gender, colour, religion. Great they made that connection. I also loved that scene. She was not only because of race but because of anything else that divides people... I will never forget Miriam Forrester Notice that in this and the last episode both of the victims were 22. Another thing, Violet made another mistake by telling the detectives" You know what that Humidity does to your hair", a clear indication that she was in fact there. -Both Laura & Miriam were 22 and both wanted to make a difference: Lovely -I think she said that because everyone knows MS's weather and she stated, at first, that was one of the reasons she never went. Later we learned she did |
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Post by toddsmitts on Aug 10, 2009 9:45:07 GMT -5
This wan't my favorite episode of the season, but I did recently something very interesting. Actor Chris Ellis (the doer) actually has a connection, if a tenuous one, to the real-life events mentioned in this episode: www.industrycentral.net/content/actors/c_ellis.htmlThe above article was written long before he actually appeared on the show, but I wonder what it must have been like for him, revisiting those events. |
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It's true or not? I hope Eddie will be back
