6.03 Wednesday's Women

[longislanditalian2]

Good thing that the writers improved the show, or I'd probably not watch it. The show needed humor, that always helps. However I really hated what was going on back then. We are all the same, and those women bonded together like sisters when at the time it was against the law.

Loved the crew eating fish and chips, look closely you can tell that Lilly's relationship with Saccardo probably wasn't over; judging by the look on her face. She's clearly happy and much lighter; a big turn over from last year.

A good thing that Vera didn't go with Kat, that probably would have been more humorous in reguards to his" Tupperware antics"; but choosing Jefferies was the best thing.

[The Reverend Bizarre]

I have to confess too that I loved the interaction between Lilly and Eddie. It was nice to see her doing something fun (bowling), and not being a zombie detective. (For the record, I hated S5 Lilly. S6>>>>>S5!)

I think I know now why I suspected it was that one guy. When Miller and Jeffries go to talk to them the wife is quite eager to talk, but the husband was just kind of hanging out...trying to stay out of the way. He also made the comment about how her kindness "extended to more than just strangers"

If my implications are right, then he was more or less saying that his wife's kindess extended to those worse than strangers. In this case; black people and white people who support them.

Plus this episode kept mentioning the KKK. This indicated to me that one of the characters was going to be a member of the clan.

[Collider]

It's not too often an episode leaves me speechless, and doubly so when I had expectations the size of a small galaxy... but this one managed it. Good lord, did it ever manage it. Granted, it came at the end of the Longest, Most Frustrating Day In History, so I was probably a little vulnerable while watching... but even so.

I honestly do not know where to begin. Mostly 'cause I'm still sniffling. What? It's just allergies. I may have to come back to this thread in a day or so when I've actually caught my breath. There is just so much to process, and so many things that are deserving of mention... I honestly, honestly cannot even start on how much I loved it.

As it is, I'll say this... Best Of Season? The hell with that, it's looking to become one of my personal Best Of All Time.

[beldasnoop]

Loved this episode. It had an engaging story and told it well, and all of the actors did a great job. I'm also a sucker for "reunion" endings on this show, so I loved the part where Violet and Belinda were brought back together. Also, great singing by Tracie Thoms.

This is definitely my favorite episode of the season so far.

[riche]

As usual I'm late to the party and you've all covered pretty much everything, leaving me with the "me too"s.

This episode did what CC does so well, that other shows don't do because they're formats don't cover it: it took a piece of American history that I'm sure many today knew little if anything about and told a compelling story around it. On top of that they give it some modern day context: Will and Kat being there for a start.


When Nick first walked in the all the Tupperware^TM I just assumed he'd bought it to sort out the office refrigerator issue. I didn't make the connection to the ladies he'd been interviewing. It was hilarious that Nick, a tough, cynical Philly cop who has had to deal with some real low-lifes described the ladies as "sharks".

Did Kat spend long making the decision between taking Nick and Will down south (ooo, that came out wrong ) ? For some of us it would have been a more difficult choice (not Shiloh of course you still with us Shiloh? ). Was it was really more than a moment's thought for Kat though?


Lilly and Eddie.... Obviously I have some issues with her... err... "skipping dinner" etc. but it is good to see her so happy (caps latter of course). The way Eddie answered his phone, Lilly said "the boss?" and she was faded into the background made me wonder if we were about to find out something else about Eddie. I didn't quite catch Lilly's next line the first time ("it's happening?") and was still considering the possibility he was going to tell her something else like he was married or something, so I a little thrown.

Lilly's line "you're going to miss me" (not a question), and the lead up to, it is key. She's realised that Eddie is not going just disappear and forget about her like a Kite or a Joseph. She makes the joke about "rolling into town undercover of darkness", ala Ray, and then tries to tell him that it's OK he's going. Eddie may never come back, and I'm sure Lilly won't be happy about that, but she's realised that she can feel that way about someone and, more importantly, someone can feel that way about her. Her socialising with the gang at end and not going home to mope is a sign of her increased confidence and being at ease with herself and her situation.


Unlike or psychic friend TRB I didn't guess the doer. I went through them each in turn as they were revealed but settled on either Violet Golding (the friend with the car) or the teacher who became a professor. In both cases it was partly because I recognised the actors, and they weren't obvious murderers. I did think that the body was taken back to Philly so she would be found there and there would be no reason to suspect what she'd be doing, there by not causing any problems for her husband.


A great episode all round. Well done to John and Tracie for their extended contributions.


Wow! I wrote far more than I thought I would.

I gave the episode an "excellent". I reluctant to splash out on a "one of the best" so early on in the season.

[eduardodelroice]

OMG
I do not know what is happening to Cold Case that Season 6 is this good!
in the beginning the episode was slow for me but after a moment everything was perfect
I liked the final song... Lilly And Eddie...
the only thing I did not like so much is that "Miriam´s ghost" was seen less than 1 second

Things I did not understand(audio was bad)
*Why did they say something about the injury Miriam had, HAD TO BE MADE IN MS, There was soemthing special or something like that?

*What happened between Lilly and Eddie exactly that he had to left...
Thanks
Overall, a wonderful episode

[SamIam]

"*What happened between Lilly and Eddie exactly that he had to left..."

i think he had to go undercover.

[riche]

Oct 13, 2008 14:19:48 GMT -5 @eduardodelroice said:

Things I did not understand(audio was bad)
*Why did they say something about the injury Miriam had, HAD TO BE MADE IN MS, There was soemthing special or something like that?

I'm not sure exactly which bit you are talking about €duardo, however, they found bits of the flower from a tree found only in MS (and some other other southern states) on the body. It is unlikely she would have left those bits of flower on herself if she'd been alive on the long journey back to Philly. This meant she must have died in MS.

*What happened between Lilly and Eddie exactly that he had to left...

Eddie said in a previous episode that he was going to be going away on an assignment, undercover, but did not know exactly when it would happen. The phone call Eddie took at the bowling was his boss telling him he had to leave that night.

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It is noticeable in the bowling scene that Lilly is getting a little upset as Eddie is on the phone, and then folds her arms in a very defensive posture. Don't know how much of that is scripted, asked for by the director, or just Kathryn doing a great job with the little details.

[eurache]

All I can say, is I just loved this episode! It was great!

You guys said mostly of what i would have said. You said it all!

[toddsmitts]

The Freedom Summer in 1964 was real. The episode, I think, was probably inspired by the case of Viola Liuzzo, a civil rights activist, wife, and mother from Michigan who was murdered in 1965 by Klan members after she drove activists home to Alabama from a protest at the university she was attending. Fittingly, she was born in Pennsylvania.

It wasn't a terribly exciting episode, though, since the doer was completely obvious from the moment we saw him. I did think it might be her friend at first. It would have been interesting if it was the southern guy's sister who had been the doer. Obviously it would have undermined the whole message if any African-American characters had been the killer, but it's a little depressing that apparently all men in the episode are racists (heck, that could even apply to Carl Lumbly's character!) and all women are concerned with civil rights.

[TVFan]

I'm always fascinated to see the stark contrasts and similarities between the past and present and this episode did not disappoint. It was a compelling case that once again showed CC's tremendous strengths when it comes to covering some of history's darkest moments. And, it serves as a sobering reminder not to repeat those moments. Miriam traveled to Mississippi to make a difference because she couldn't sit idly by as she watched the atrocious events unfold on the nightly news. She understood the risk involved and she went anyway. She paid with her life like so many others who fought for equal rights during the Civil Rights Movement. Once again, we had a victim that I wanted to somehow live at the end.

I knew the Saccardo moment was coming, but I didn't think that I would care. I've never felt that the character was right for Lilly and I didn't see their "relationship" going anywhere. Of course, the show once again skipped all of the relationship stuff and left us to fill in the blanks. I will say one thing -- they were pretty cute together (that is, during the scarce moments that we got to see) and they sure heated up the boweling alley this week. I do think that he's going to miss her, and she, him. BUT, it was nice to see her OK with his departure. She isn't going to fall apart or let it affect her work (thus, sparing us endless mopey moments and repressed feelings coming out during interrogations) because she knows neither will do her any good. This happier, new and improved Lilly is awesome! I'm loving this character again. Add in a hysterical Vera vs. the Tupperware women side story, Tracie Thoms singing the closing song, and a strong case and you get an excellent episode.

A BIG kudos to John Finn for his awesome directing this week! LOVED the scenes with Stillman and Lil, Lil and Saccardo, and the intercutting interrogations at the end. Great stuff!!

[irishkale]

Meaningless trivia (just to file it someplace):
Continuity error -- Stillman isn't wearing his glasses in the elevator talking to Lil; the bell rings, the door opens, and suddenly he's wearing them.

[riche]

Oct 13, 2008 23:28:52 GMT -5 irishkale said:

Meaningless trivia (just to file it someplace):
Continuity error -- Stillman isn't wearing his glasses in the elevator talking to Lil; the bell rings, the door opens, and suddenly he's wearing them.

You're right, not that I doubted you. They are stood differently in the elevator too. Lil' has her back to the door initially and is then suddenly turned around and at the back of the elevator car.

[eduardodelroice]

Oct 13, 2008 15:21:00 GMT -5 @riche said:

Oct 13, 2008 14:19:48 GMT -5 @eduardodelroice said:

Things I did not understand(audio was bad)
*Why did they say something about the injury Miriam had, HAD TO BE MADE IN MS, There was soemthing special or something like that?

I'm not sure exactly which bit you are talking about €duardo, however, they found bits of the flower from a tree found only in MS (and some other other southern states) on the body. It is unlikely she would have left those bits of flower on herself if she'd been alive on the long journey back to Philly. This meant she must have died in MS.

*What happened between Lilly and Eddie exactly that he had to left...

Eddie said in a previous episode that he was going to be going away on an assignment, undercover, but did not know exactly when it would happen. The phone call Eddie took at the bowling was his boss telling him he had to leave that night.

---

It is noticeable in the bowling scene that Lilly is getting a little upset as Eddie is on the phone, and then folds her arms in a very defensive posture. Don't know how much of that is scripted, asked for by the director, or just Kathryn doing a great job with the little details.

Thank you. You are always helpful
This ep was so strong, so cool
John Finn is a good director but the only bad thing was that Miriam's ghost was seen only 1 second---

[teledetective]

Wow...just...wow. That was a good episode.

Can't say much else since you all said it for me, so I'll say that this episode is the best of this season so far.

John Finn's gotta direct more episodes, methinks -- he did an amazing job with being the director.

[longislanditalian2]

More triva, when Violet mentions about she doesn't think about it in forty years; she must have been mistaken.

It would have been extactly 44 yrs not 40; since that would have been around 1968; not 64

[eduardodelroice]

Oct 15, 2008 9:16:12 GMT -5 longislanditalian2 said:

More triva, when Violet mentions about she doesn't think about it in forty years; she must have been mistaken.

It would have been extactly 44 yrs not 40; since that would have been around 1968; not 64

Ciao =)
I thought the same but It could have been that since her memory it's not exact, she was just giving a random average number too

[00bomber]

I guess there isn't much for me to say coz it's all been said but CC seems to have gotten something back. This is the first season 6 ep I've seen and I enjoyed it. When I saw it was gonna be about racism I thought "here we go again..." but it was good to see they did something different with the topic rather than just having a white person kill a black person because that was the point of the episode.
Also I thought Saccardo was gonna be another soap style love in for Lilly, pleased to see they finally did something right with this.
I like how the show has got some of that humour back, it had gotten pretty dull and gloomy for a while there. Lilly seems to have gotten some of that edge back that we had in seasons 1 and 2.

[Electrophile]

I really, REALLY liked this episode and it's been the standout episode this season for me. I thought the subject matter was dealt with well, because it can at times come across as preachy, whether that's intended or not.

The ending when the girls get back to Philadelphia sealed the deal for me; I couldn't imagine how I'd react if I had been in Violet's position, but a healthy dose of rage would have been thrown in for good measure. People always think the South was full of racists and bigotry and discrimination while the North was a beacon of tolerance and love, but the "two coloreds and a Jew" line showed that even large, diverse cities like Philadelphia were not exempt from it.

[Collider]

Oct 16, 2008 13:58:10 GMT -5 Electrophile said:

The ending when the girls get back to Philadelphia sealed the deal for me; I couldn't imagine how I'd react if I had been in Violet's position, but a healthy dose of rage would have been thrown in for good measure. People always think the South was full of racists and bigotry and discrimination while the North was a beacon of tolerance and love, but the "two coloreds and a Jew" line showed that even large, diverse cities like Philadelphia were not exempt from it.

Well-said! (and welcome to the board, by the way!)

I'm still having a hard time pointing out the specifics of exactly why I loved this episode as much as I did (and maybe that in itself is the mark of great work - being unable to pinpoint all the reasons why it's so great)... but the scene you picked out was definitely one of the big stand-out moments, for exactly the reasons you gave. The 'two coloureds and a Jew' line actually struck me like on an almost-physical level, and it was beautiful - in a tragic way - to see that heartbreak reflected on the girls' faces.

And, while I remember to ask, as a general point,... was this the first time (notwithstanding those episodes where the killer is known from the get-go) we've been given an additional flashback scene after the confession? I couldn't think of another off the top of my head, and I kind of feel that it has much greater impact for being that way.