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Post by madmax on Nov 17, 2009 3:01:41 GMT -5
Oh Reverend...I haven't mention Scotty anywhere in my post. As far as other people posting here, some of them are die hard L+S shippers so no matter what your argument will be you will not convince them otherwise.
But I'm not L+S shipper. If Scotty would be with Lil and he would beat up Moe I would also be against Scotty as well.
Moe: The more you push, the less I have to lose. <---Moe said that after Lilly went to the bank. That was a first time Moe 'created' a meeting with Lilly and he was tiffed. I'm not surprised he said that...I would have said it even more clearly. But we can annalize that sentence in different way....as a warning and not intent. He warned her that she creates the dangerous situation for herself and if she would let go Moe would not even think about Lil untill May.
As far as Lilly's actions - she did mean to hurt Moe financially. And she did that deliberately.
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Post by ninja1088 on Nov 17, 2009 11:06:20 GMT -5
Perhaps if Lily would actually give the justice system a chance to work instead of stalking and harrasing Moe, I'd feel more for her. Not negating what happened to her last season but I can't condone any of her actions, none. Until twelve people say Moe is guilty, he is innocent. And Lily's actions are doing nothing but jeopardizing the state's case and her squad.
When did Moe make his speech to Lily? After she put a boot on his car, interfered with his attempts to get jobs etc. She kept on harassing and stalking him and actually seemed shock when he finally reacted.
His statement to was a warning, that if she keeps doing what she's doing, she'll have nobody but herself to blame, and Moe is right. He didn't do a single thing to her while he was out until Lily's actions at the bank.
As for Eddie, you don't need to smack or degrade your bf/gf to be bad. He's telling her point blank to commit cold blooded murder and how to do get away with it. That goes against everything Lily stands for and she risks rotting in jail for life. If you really loved someone, would you really tell them to jeopardize their career and their liberty like Eddie is?
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Nov 17, 2009 11:59:31 GMT -5
Playing Devil's Advocate here, but what if Eddie had given Lilly the gun for protection? Let's go to a what-if scenario. Let's say that Moe goes after Lilly (again), and Lilly has the gun. Should she
A: Let Moe hurt her, because that's the right thing to do?
B: Shoot to injure?
C: Shoot to kill?
D: Wait for Scotty to arrive, and beat the crap out of Moe?
E: Confess her undying love to Moe, and then run-off when he's utterly confused?
Let's also look at it from Eddie's POV. We should understand that Eddie's not thinking: 'Lilly kill Moe, go to jail. Me want Lilly in jail.' No, he's likely thinking, 'Moe bad. Moe jerk. Moe should be gone.'
I guess I'm in the minority here (at least in this forum), but so far the only thing that Eddie has done is suggested something. If Lilly decides to actually kill Moe, then that's her doing. Recall that Eddie didn't go "Lil, go kill Moe or I'll find a way to get you canned."
Jus' sayin'
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Post by madmax on Nov 17, 2009 12:51:17 GMT -5
When Eddie gave the gun to Lilly didn't she say that she already has one? She carries the legally issued gun for protection already. Now when I look at options Reverend gave the B and C will bite Lilly back in her *** if she will use gun that she has no right to carry. If Moe will attack Lilly and she will use her own gun (she should shoot to kill IMO if that happens) no one will ask any questions as to where she got that gun. IAB/IAD will ask questions but they always do ask them even if police officer will use gun legally on the job and shoot is justified. But let's imagine Lillywill be attacked and she will kill Moe with the gun that she doesn't owe and has no right to have - what then? IAB will never let her work in Departmen again and on top of that she will be prosecuted on gun charges. They might also decide to prosecute her on murder charges because they might argue she got a gun (illegal, non-registered) and used it to kill an innocent person (Moe is still on bail meaning he is innocent until proven guilty). Eddie did suggest to Lilly to kill Moe  Recall what he said: "your gun comes with too many questions attached"....Now, how do you Reverend understand that sentence? I said it and I'll say it again - if Moe will attack Lilly she has a full right to use her own gun, no questions asked! But if Moe will attack her and she will use a gun that she is not suposed to have don't you think poeple will start asking questions? So when (according to Eddie) is Lilly supose to use that gun he gave her? |
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Post by boxman on Nov 17, 2009 13:04:28 GMT -5
Playing Devil's Advocate here, but what if Eddie had given Lilly the gun for protection? Let's go to a what-if scenario. Let's say that Moe goes after Lilly (again), and Lilly has the gun. Should she A: Let Moe hurt her, because that's the right thing to do? B: Shoot to injure? C: Shoot to kill? D: Wait for Scotty to arrive, and beat the crap out of Moe? E: Confess her undying love to Moe, and then run-off when he's utterly confused? Let's also look at it from Eddie's POV. We should understand that Eddie's not thinking: 'Lilly kill Moe, go to jail. Me want Lilly in jail.' No, he's likely thinking, 'Moe bad. Moe jerk. Moe should be gone.' I guess I'm in the minority here (at least in this forum), but so far the only thing that Eddie has done is suggested something. If Lilly decides to actually kill Moe, then that's her doing. Recall that Eddie didn't go "Lil, go kill Moe or I'll find a way to get you canned." Jus' sayin' Reverend, you're ignoring a lot of really huge details from the latest episode. First of all, Lilly doesn't need another gun. She's a police officer and already has her own service firearm to protect herself. Second, the "feature" that this gun has is that it is "untraceable". In other words, it's very likely unregistered and not purchased through legal channels. Third, Lilly herself was clearly uncomfortable and hesitant about receiving the gun. And she should be--both her and Eddie are cops and have the responsibility of upholding the law. Whether this gun was obtain through illegal means or not, as an officer of the law, Lilly has a responsibility to trace its origins and arrest anyone who has broken any laws in the process this gun became "untraceable". This could include Eddie himself. I'm surprised you're overlooking this major point. On top of her objections to the gun, Lilly also clearly stated that for an anniversary gift, she'd rather receive something more romantic such as flowers. When Eddie ignored her and kept persisting with giving her the gun, she politely accepted, but also pointed out that earrings would have made another nice gift too. Eddie and Lilly are clearly not on the same page about their relationship, and Eddie definitely has problems listening to and processing what she's saying. This alone is a good enough reason for ANYONE, guy or girl, to break off a relationship. To further that point, while Lilly kept pointing out that she would rather have something more romantic as an anniversary gift, Eddie blatantly continues to not listen and get the message. He opens a bottle of wine--then proceeds to pour it into red plastic cups!  What an insensitive, uncultured idiot. Clearly, any man who is listening and sensitive to his woman would have realized at this point that the gun as an anniversary gift was a major screw up, and many would have changed course for the rest of the evening. Eddie could have done this very simply by pouring the wine properly into stemware. This would have helped to create a romantic mood that Lilly clearly stated she wanted to enjoy. Instead, Eddie the Moron stubbornly continued to insist that Lilly accept the gun. Worst boyfriend ever!! |
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Nov 17, 2009 14:21:08 GMT -5
Well then, I guess I'm in the minority. Sorry, but I can't jump on the 'Eddie is the worst boyfriend evar!' bandwagon.
No, I'm not condoning what he's doing, but most of you folks seem to be forgetting that both Lilly and Eddie are human, and that human's make mistakes. Stupid mistakes at that.
All I'm saying is that I want to see what else Eddie does before I decide to join this whole 'Let's burn Eddie at the stake!' mob.
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Post by ninja1088 on Nov 17, 2009 17:36:58 GMT -5
We all make mistakes yes.... but there are some you can't bounce back from. Eddie leading Lily down that road would be one she could never recover from.
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Post by lillyscotty on Nov 17, 2009 17:40:55 GMT -5
I agree Ninja. I really can't stand him. He doesn't know what's right for Lilly. She can alot better than someone like him who barley cares.
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Nov 17, 2009 18:31:15 GMT -5
Note that right now, Lilly hasn't done anything to endanger Moe's life. Everyone here is acting like, "Oh no! Eddie gave Lilly a gun! This definitely means that Lilly is going to kill Moe!" No, we don't know that.
Like I said, I just can't join the "I hate Eddie" club. I'd say "I'm sorry", but that's just a conformist action, and I can't do that.
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Post by madmax on Nov 17, 2009 18:37:36 GMT -5
Ninja makes a good point...some mistakes you can't bounce back from. Taking everything that he said aside Eddie already made Lilly break the law and that is something a good bf is not supposed to do. She is a detective and he gave her a untraceable, unregistered gun. And the moment she decided to hide it instead of turning it in she broke the law. That makes Lilly a bad/horrible person right now, too. But she would not break the law if Eddie wouldn't present her with opportunity.
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Nov 17, 2009 19:16:45 GMT -5
Okay, I just said that I can't jump on the "Hate Eddie" bandwagon, yet some of you persist. So, what am I supposed to? Join you? Because it seems like every time I say that I'm not joining the mob, some of you persist in repeating that 'Eddie is very horrible!'
By the way, thought you guys should know something.
Taken from IMDB.com
Factual errors: Frequently, in various episodes, the detectives say that a gun is registered to someone (or that someone has no registered guns, or the like). There is no gun registration in Pennsylvania; it's prohibited by state law.
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Post by ninja1088 on Nov 17, 2009 19:33:29 GMT -5
We're not telling you to join anything.... just stating our viewpoints...
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Nov 17, 2009 19:58:01 GMT -5
Which you've stated about three times; all coming after I state my disagreement that Eddie is a horrible person.
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Post by madmax on Nov 17, 2009 21:13:36 GMT -5
Reverend, I have read about the factual error so in real life gun Eddie gave Lilly can't ge registered anyway but show writers and producers decided to change that little fact for their show so going by the fictional world of CC there is a registry, that's why I wrote before that it is unregistered.
You have a right to your opinion Reverend and I respect it, but when LillyScotty wrote that Eddie is a horrible person you 'attacked' her for stating her opinion saying that it is based on a feeling....Opinions are based partially on facts and partially on feelings/intuitions...don't get offended now when we show you those facts (which you actually asked for few posts back).
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Post by ninja1088 on Nov 17, 2009 23:45:42 GMT -5
No offense Reverend.... but I'm just stating my options on this. Obviously you and I disagree with Eddie, and I'm doing is stating that fact, not "attacking" anyone.
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Post by niiny on Nov 18, 2009 12:43:47 GMT -5
Im not against Eddie ,Well he gave her a gun Okay...But she hide it that's all ..Nobody tell us that she will kill More with it (Even if in the beginning i believed that xD)...Plus Lilly is enough High for makes her own choice.
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Nov 18, 2009 16:31:41 GMT -5
Right, we need to remember that even though Eddie gave her the gun, it's ultimately up to Lilly if she'll use it or not. If she does, neither she nor we, can fully blame Eddie.
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Post by Naj on Nov 18, 2009 17:36:00 GMT -5
This Lilly and Eddie and the gun is so out of Lilly's character. Who is she, anyway? She told Eddie she'd deal with Moe in her own way that she didn't need a gun. So, what way would that be? Lilly told Eddie she thru the gun in the river. And he believed it? Why throw it in a river - that's where the cops are always looking for all kinds of evidence when they have unsolved cases.  |
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Post by The Reverend Bizarre on Nov 18, 2009 19:42:45 GMT -5
Desperate people will do desperate things.
Those who restrain desire, do so because theirs is weak enough to be restrained; and the restrainer or reason usurps its place & governs the unwilling.
And being restrain'd it by degrees becomes passive till it is only the shadow of desire.
The question is, is Lilly's desire weak enough to be restrained?
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Post by ninja1088 on Nov 18, 2009 20:04:31 GMT -5
I hope so.... killing in self-defense is one thing(George Marks).. her doing it in cold blood... I just can't imagine.
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Recall what he said: "your gun comes with too many questions attached"....Now, how do you Reverend understand that sentence?
What an insensitive, uncultured idiot. Clearly, any man who is listening and sensitive to his woman would have realized at this point that the gun as an anniversary gift was a major screw up, and many would have changed course for the rest of the evening. Eddie could have done this very simply by pouring the wine properly into stemware. This would have helped to create a romantic mood that Lilly clearly stated she wanted to enjoy. Instead, Eddie the Moron stubbornly continued to insist that Lilly accept the gun.
