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Post by TVFan on Apr 14, 2008 17:52:56 GMT -5
OMG!! If he had, I would have had to take back every nice thing I said about him. That scene and the one in the hospital are my favorites. Well, then there's the adorable scene where Erik shows Joyce the old footage he found and she seems so happy for him as she watches his reaction to seeing it for the first time (how adorable is Kathryn in that scene??!!). Oh, and we can't forget the cute spooning scene at the end (which, BTW, I would have thought was RichE's fave scene for the...uhh.. less-than-fully-covered Kathryn in that one, but I guess RichE is a true International Man of Mystery  ). |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Apr 14, 2008 18:32:58 GMT -5
Is it possible to get some screencaps
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Post by riche on Apr 15, 2008 4:53:34 GMT -5
OMG!! If he had, I would have had to take back every nice thing I said about him. He makes it clear in the commentary that he just felt the scene didn't add any new information. Everything said in it should have been very clear by then. So it is not that the scene is bad in any way, just that it doesn't move the plot along at all. I took some of the commentary and added to my podcast the other day. Oh I definitely like that scene as well  (it's got a nice smile in it as well) but it is soooo short and I can't go around commenting on every thing like that. My reputation is clearly bad enough already. There's no mystery to that Is it possible to get some screencaps My earlier post ( HERE) has some screencaps from some of KM's scenes (the bits that appeared in the trailer anyway) , and they are much larger than I can manage. I will do some caps from the other scenes later. |
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Post by riche on Apr 15, 2008 14:13:58 GMT -5
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Apr 15, 2008 15:37:28 GMT -5
Wow RichE thanks for posting these. Kathryn looks beautiful as always.
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Post by TVFan on Apr 15, 2008 19:13:11 GMT -5
Thank you soooo much, RichE!! These caps rock. I can't believe I'm even going to bring this up (and break my own rule about talking about her hair), but I absolutely LOVE her hair in this scene: Best. Hair. EVER!!I actually like it better than Lilly's ponytail, and I seriously (heart) that hair. |
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Post by LillyKat on Apr 16, 2008 15:50:00 GMT -5
I watched the DVD this past weekend and/or listened to the audio commentary by Rod Lurie. Since I only ever saw this film one time in the theatre (during which I was mostly distracted given I knew someone - ahem, KM - would be showing up AFTER the screening to pariticpate in the QA with the audience), I think I missed some of the finer points of this film. I really do like it, and I really do like Kathryn's role in it. I have to agree with Rod that it was a shame so few people went to see it and/or that it mistakenly was perceived as being a film about the homeless (which is the furthest thing from the truth). I found Rod's commentary very interesting (all the gushing over Kathryn aside ... ... ) in that I'm not sure I've ever heard a director be so critical of himself. LOL! I've listened to a lot of commentaries, and the directors usually offer their insight into what went into shooting this scene, or what technical rig-a-ma-role went into that scene, or what goofball thing happened here, there and around the way. But Rod was really hard on himself at times, and I almost felt like saying, "Rod, lighten up. It's OK. Really. The scene works." LOL! I thought of you, RichE, when he talked about the fact he should have cut the Kathryn scene in the backyard (GASP!). I do think he's right in his critique, though. It was being beaten into the audience minds a little much at that point that Josh Harnett's Erik is pretty much down on his luck with his son, his wife, his job and his dad's legacy. Still, VERY glad he didn't cut it. Why does he always want to cut Kathryn's scenes?!?!?!? LOL! Thank you for the fabulous screencaps! And adding bits of the commentary to the podcast - I actually listened to the podcast snippets BEFORE watching the DVD version. ) And I'm with you, TVFan on Kathryn's hair in this film ... Fab.U.Lous. Ironic that Lil' now has sort of a similar ponytail thing happening, eh? Champ hair becomes CC hair. LOL! I also loved that Kathryn had such a healthy, glowing look in this film. Good coloring - even if Rod says he desaturated the film by 20%. LOL! She still looked MUCH better than she had been on CC (though that now seems to be being corrected. ) |
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Post by TVFan on Apr 16, 2008 20:22:12 GMT -5
Interesting, LillyKat. I haven't listened to the commentary (and won't be anytime soon since my parents still have my DVD  ), so I can't say for sure, but I was wondering if he left that scene in because of Kathryn. We all know how much he likes her and it was an excellent scene for her, so I have to wonder if ultimately, it came down to her. This is just speculation, but it did cross my mind. |
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Post by riche on Apr 17, 2008 7:33:42 GMT -5
(during which I was mostly distracted given I knew someone - ahem, KM - would be showing up AFTER the screening to pariticpate in the QA with the audience) I can certainly see how that prospect would be a little distracting. You must have been very excited and a little nervous. It turned out great though The directors commentaries do tend to turn into a load of "actor A was great", "this scene was so much fun", etc. etc. The deleted scene comments tend to be more like "it was a one of my favourite scenes, well acted etc. but for the sake moving the plot along it had to go." I haven't listened to the commentary (and won't be anytime soon since my parents still have my DVD ), The important (to me ) bits are covered in my podcast version. Maybe, but it is not as though it was her only scene. Rod seems to have realised after release, due in part to reviewers comments, that the plot needed moving along a bit. A good as the scene was it was duplicating a lot of stuff. |
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Post by yankee1151 on Apr 17, 2008 11:11:25 GMT -5
So I finally finshed watching this movie. I actually bought the DVD just because KM was in it - had never even heard of it until reading this board, which is odd as it does have some huge stars in it. OK. So.... I know this will not be a popular opinion, but I kinda sorta didn't like it. Maybe it's because Hartnett has always annoyed the hell out of me (I find him totally overrated, never got the appeal) and this film did nothing to change that opinion. Samuel L Jackson was good, as usual, and - let me be shallow for just a moment - KM was so ridiculously HOT it was almost distracting - but she did a good job too, as did Alda. That little kid was freaking adorable, and not a bad actor himself. Hatcher irritated the crap out of me and her character was so not necessary to the plot. I don't know, the story just DRAGGED, and not much seemed to actually happen. And the whole time I just kept wanting Hartnett to WASH his greasy hair already! Who thought that look was a good idea?
But because it's all about KM, it was totally worth the $19.95.
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Post by LillyKat on Apr 17, 2008 12:11:09 GMT -5
It's OK, yankee1151 ... I am definitely NOT a Josh Hartnett fan, either. I don't get the fuss over him. He's never impressed me with anything he's done, so I had to sort of pseudo-ignore his presence in the film and focus on the other actors in order to make it work for me. Given he WAS the lead, that proved challenging. LOL! But I actually did like the character of Erik, and since I could focus on the likes of KM, Samuel L. Jackson, Alan Alda and even little Daktoa Goyo, it kind of made the Hartnett pill easier to swallow. TVFan: Mom and dad must return the DVD immediately. But in the interim, for the podcast, RichE has done a fabulous job making a clip of all of Rod's best comments as they pertain to Kathryn. Definitely worth a listen. And, I do also wonder sometimes if Rod's total devotion to Kathryn saves her scenes (especially when, as he says with that backyard sequence, the actors "made" that scene so good even if he felt, in hindsight, it should be cut). Interesting to speculate.  |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Apr 17, 2008 14:27:43 GMT -5
I really loved KM in this movie, it's nice to see her playing a mother which is so different from the rest of her movies. Also her character Joyce wasn't so mousy but a strong person who didn't nag or try anything to get her husband to change.
She was mad at him but knew she had to be there for their son. I loved that scene when Teddy's on her lap as he was reading to her the title and when Erik said he loved his son.
I think Champ was the real reason behind it, that they both had to overcome their own internal struggles in order to see themselves for who they were.
Champ realized this at the end as he died, and Erik realized that his wife and son were so important to him. That it felt right for them to get back together knowing that Champ never had the chance to be with his again. I liked that ending scene with Erik and Joyce seeing that they really did love each other. Of course how Teddy was teaching his little sister or brother something.
It's funny how Joyce caught that ball seeing how KM has said she can't even catch a ball.
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Post by riche on Apr 17, 2008 14:36:09 GMT -5
But in the interim, for the podcast, RichE has done a fabulous job making a clip of all of Rod's best comments as they pertain to Kathryn. Definitely worth a listen. Thank you LK, the cheque/check is in the post. Though I don't think that that makes us even yet. You still owe me a Lilly-kissing cameo It's funny how Joyce caught that ball seeing how KM has said she can't even catch a ball. You're right LII that was a fun little moment with Kathryn spinning around. I wonder how many takes it took to get it right? ;D |
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Post by LillyKat on Apr 17, 2008 14:42:09 GMT -5
Thank you LK, the cheque/check is in the post. Though I don't think that that makes us even yet. You still owe me a Lilly-kissing cameo This is true. Will work on that in addition to getting Kathryn over to you ... It's funny how Joyce caught that ball seeing how KM has said she can't even catch a ball. You're right LII that was a fun little moment with Kathryn spinning around. I wonder how many takes it took to get it right? ;D Didn't she also bounce the ball AFTER she caught it? KM deserves extra bonus points for that. |
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Post by riche on Apr 17, 2008 14:45:07 GMT -5
Didn't she also bounce the ball AFTER she caught it? KM deserves extra bonus points for that. You are correct LK. Our gal's got mad ball skillz  |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Apr 18, 2008 13:36:21 GMT -5
Is there anymore pictures of Erik kissing Joyce I think they were a cute couple in the movie
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Post by riche on Apr 18, 2008 14:07:01 GMT -5
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Post by yankee1151 on Apr 18, 2008 14:14:31 GMT -5
Not for nothing but I find that dude a bit creepy when he talks about her. I know they're friends and they go back a long time, but something.... something's not right. Also, he totally crapped all over her day job in that commentary. I realize he was complimenting her, but it seemed a bit backhanded, not to mention ill-advised. Whatevs, I'm glad he believes in her and all, (and I agree that she's totally underrated) but I get a really weird vibe off him regarding KM. Plus, he talks like he always has a mouthful of saliva.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Apr 18, 2008 14:57:09 GMT -5
Is there anymore of the two of them at the end, I need them for a project I am working on.
All and All Kathryn did an outstanding job in this move now why isn't she ever put up for an Oscar? I don't get why we as viewers she her as very talented and they don't?
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Post by LillyKat on Apr 18, 2008 15:22:06 GMT -5
Not for nothing but I find that dude a bit creepy when he talks about her. I know they're friends and they go back a long time, but something.... something's not right. Also, he totally crapped all over her day job in that commentary. I realize he was complimenting her, but it seemed a bit backhanded, not to mention ill-advised. Whatevs, I'm glad he believes in her and all, (and I agree that she's totally underrated) but I get a really weird vibe off him regarding KM. Plus, he talks like he always has a mouthful of saliva. Rod does tend to gush A LOT about Kathryn. He has called her his muse. I'm not sure I find it creepy as I've heard other folks talk at length about talent they truly love and adore, and thus, always want to work with. But he does REALLY like to talk A LOT about how much he LOVES her. LOL! I will say, though, I agreed with his criticisms about what CC is doing to KM as an actress. His "golden cage" comment was, IMHO, spot on. I've started to feel this as I've gone back and watched a lot of Kathryn's other non-CC stuff. I swear, at times, she's MORE interesting and compelling in her OLDER stuff than she is right now on CC. Now, that's not to say she still doesn't wow us with her performance as Lilly. She absolutely does. She just did the other week with "The Road." Watch "Sherry Darlin'" or "Mind Hunters" or "The Woods," and you just cannot take your eyes off her. But, she is performing within the confines of the procedural format, with character growth so slowly doled out it is almost ridiculous and with absolutely NO input on her part as to the character's direction (that is being strictly controlled by the showrunner(s)). She mentioned at the screening I attended for Champ that the film was a freeing experience for her, and I think that is because as an artist, she's allowed (on projects such as this) to contribute much more to her character. She's not being locked into one way that may/may not be what she feels is best as an actor and/or allow her to really "go there" with her performance. This reminds me of one of the things she said she loved about working with Steven Spielberg: the collaborative environment he encourages with his actors - almost like a playground. Come in try this; what do you think/yeah, let's go with that, etc. That does NOT happen on CC (and that's not to bag only on CC; other procedurals are this way as well, but some ARE collaborative ... it depends on the show). But for CC, it's not. And Executive Producer Veena Sud said as recently as last summer (in KM's Emmy magazine article) that it's frustrating for the actors not to be able to totally have the say in how their characters are to be, etc. Given the fact KM is a very giving actress - wants to contribute, wants to exchange ideas - I actually think it's gotten WORSE for her as the CC series has gone along (as in, the feisty, vibrant, sassy Lilly of early seasons gave us more of what KM does best; the closed down, quiet zombie approach, not so much). So, IMHO, and kind of along the lines of Rod's criticism, KM is kinda going through the motions, and doing her absolute best with what she's given as far as the show is concerned. And whilst I do believe she still delivers powerhouse performances, they may not necessarily be showcasing ALL of what she is capable of as an actor given she has to stay within the confines of a formulaic character and/or writing of that character. |
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(it's got a nice smile in it as well) but it is soooo short and I can't go around commenting on every thing like that. My reputation is clearly bad enough already. There's no mystery to that 
), so I can't say for sure, but I was wondering if he left that scene in because of Kathryn. We all know how much he likes her and it was an excellent scene for her, so I have to wonder if ultimately, it came down to her. This is just speculation, but it did cross my mind.
