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Post by sonny on Jan 26, 2006 12:04:12 GMT -5
I agree irishkale. The writers are gonna have to be careful in the way the approach the George issue again. Like you said it will be stupid to add information that has not been displayed yet as it will seem such an after thought. Maybe the whole reason this is being brought up at this late stage is because they have been reading our complaints that it was just forgotton as such??? I think I'll appreciate any reference to George cos I want to see Lilly's reaction to his name!
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Post by TVFan on Jan 26, 2006 12:31:53 GMT -5
Excellent insight irishkale! I've often wondered what George was trying to say in those closing lines as well. This makes the most sense to me. I'm glad you were able to decipher his code!  |
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Post by Disasterfreak on Jan 26, 2006 21:09:14 GMT -5
Darn good insight, Irishkale. I'd never thought of it like that, I must admit. I honestly don't believe Lilly ever thought of them as scorecards, but I can understand George believing she did--psychopaths always tend to see things from their POV only, so of course Lilly's actions made perfect sense to HIM. Maybe somewhere deep down Lilly caught his gist and it made her wonder if this was true, leading to a whole crisis of conscience.
Oh, man, and if they pulled something like what you mentioned about therapy, I'd have a freaken heart attack and die (not of pleasant shock either).
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Post by sonny on Jan 27, 2006 12:23:04 GMT -5
Oh, man, and if they pulled something like what you mentioned about therapy, I'd have a freaken heart attack and die (not of pleasant shock either). :smile81: :smile81: :smile81: :smile81: I'm sorry I shouldn't laugh!! |
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jan 27, 2006 12:31:46 GMT -5
I think after what happened with george only made Lilly stronger
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Post by Disasterfreak on Jan 27, 2006 16:00:30 GMT -5
I'm not sure Lilly's very strong now. I mean, she is, but she's more fragile than she was last season, and definitely more fragile than first season. I really don't see any excess of confidence arising from that episode.
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Post by Naj on Jan 28, 2006 21:24:44 GMT -5
That's interesting irishkale. I wondered if Lilly is just too close to her victims and she feels a need to be someone to remember them. It goes back to what Lilly says in "Look Again":
People shouldn’t be forgotten even if they are my kind of people. Maybe they don’t have a lot of money. They don’t have lawyers. But they matter. They should get justice too.
Maybe she tries to give them life by the information she learns on the cases. It makes you wonder why she would have all those pictures by her bed for sure. Hmmm....I wonder if she will ever mention why she has them there.
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Post by sonny on Jan 29, 2006 15:56:09 GMT -5
Maybe she tries to give them life by the information she learns on the cases. It makes you wonder why she would have all those pictures by her bed for sure. Hmmm....I wonder if she will ever mention why she has them there. Yeah you would think since they wrote that in that there would be some kind of development. I mean after her knowledge of George knowing they were kept there has she stopped doing it? You would think Stillman at least would voice some concern over it as it has everything to do with work. |
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Post by Ju on Jan 29, 2006 19:58:00 GMT -5
Great insight, irishkale! :smile39:
I don't think Lilly's been in therapy. It doesn't sound like something she would do voluntarily. I mean, I can't imagine her talking about George's incident or her past to a totally strange. :smile90: She letting down her guard to a therapist, no way! She keeps all these things to herself and moves on.
Stillman could've handed her a therapist card (like he did with Scotty after Elisa's death) and tell her to look for this kind of help. But she's an expert in hiding her feelings and, perhaps, Stillman is too blind to see she's not that strong...
(My spelling sucks, and so does my grammar...sorry)
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Post by Disasterfreak on Jan 30, 2006 20:03:57 GMT -5
I'm not sure, but I think you HAVE to get counselling after you've been in a shooting, if you're a cop. But I'm hoping they won't skip over that. Watching poor Lilly struggle with a shrink must be priceless--I can see her all stony-face and squirming as the shrink askes her, "and how did you feel when...?" Argh. She'd probably refuse to go, but Stillman could make her. Then she might sit there in front of the therapist and not say a word.
I'd actually LOVE to see Lilly in mandatory therapy. ;D
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Post by irishkale on Jan 31, 2006 0:50:32 GMT -5
DF I have to agree with you  Before season 3, episode 1, I thought the show was perfect. It was an absolute tragedy that they didn't open up with Lilly in therapy, or even show her dealing with the problems. Yeah, they did it with makeup choices (her pale skin and nasty looking eye makeup). But I still resent that they didn't "Share Lilly With Us" and give us a chance to really feel her pain with that first ep. I mean wouldn't this be THE DREAM episode for a writer to write? Veena could have written so much great raw Lilly dialog -- we would have all been bawling our eyes out! And it wouldn't have been cheesy melodrama either -- she just pumped 3 slugs into a guy's chest. That REAL HARD stuff. |
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Post by TVFan on Jan 31, 2006 11:28:38 GMT -5
I have to agree irishkale. The fact that the season didn't open with Lilly in therapy, even just a scene with her finishing up her last session, was my one disappointment with this show. It was a huge oversight IMO and it doesn't even make a lot of sense. I think that DF is right that cops who are involved in shootings have desk duty for a little while ( I suppose this was implied when Stillman took her gun in "The Woods") and some mandatory counciling. Major missed opportunity, but there's nothing that can be done about it now. |
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Post by sonny on Jan 31, 2006 14:35:39 GMT -5
I totally agree too irishkale. A definate missed opportunity. They chose to run with th chippy thing instead which was HUGE screw up!!!!!! I would like to see Lilly in therepy as DF said but it would seem a too little too late kind of after thought if they did it now {HIGHLIGHT TO READ SPOILER] unless this dude who brings up George stirs a whole load of feelings in Lilly that spill over!! That's the only way I think they could justify it. I wonder if CC/CBS realise how much of a mistake they made at the beginning of the season?? Has InsideR been asked why they didn't explore the efects of George?? I can't remember??  {edited spoiler info} edited b/c the wrong usage of word  |
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Post by sukkerspinn on Jan 31, 2006 16:13:14 GMT -5
I agree with all of you!
I really hope they have a PLAN when it comes to Lilly/George and the whole Lilly-character-development thing...
*sigh*
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Post by thefrenchgirl on Mar 1, 2006 11:01:16 GMT -5
hi!i'm a new member of this forum!i'm french and a really recently fan of CC and i really enjoy it!and i ahve alittle question as lilly been raped by the guys who attacked her cause when she's with goerges they seems to have a similar background and she discovers that he was the one whi has been raped not his mother so maybe she could guess that because of ther own history!thanx and sorry if my english is too bad!
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Post by TVFan on Mar 1, 2006 12:08:03 GMT -5
Welcome thefrenchgirl! I don't think we know for sure what happened when Lilly was assaulted. I believe it was left open. Maybe we'll find out for sure in future episodes.
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Post by thefrenchgirl on Mar 1, 2006 12:47:35 GMT -5
thanx! i hope we'll learn more about her past !i really loved this episode she' s such a wonderful actress but sometimes she scares me like in this episode in the interogation room when she tells the suspect that her mom was drunk all time and it was her task to looks after her and then she touch his face!that was weird!and also this episode when she tells scotty about her mom!i think she a reallt human personn very sensitive and i cant wait to see more episode cause actually i 'm trying to find all the episode but it's hard! oh and i really love that guy with the bike he's cute they're sweat together and correct me if i'm wrong he's the guy with whom she left when she was 18?that good!
sorry if i make some mistale but i havent see all the episode yet!
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Post by Naj on Jul 4, 2006 8:45:46 GMT -5
This is interesting. Looking back at this topic I created in January because the whole George killing was overlooked, I see now that maybe they did deal with George by changing Lilly's character for choices in her life during season 3. It wasn't what I had expected and I think much of the reason they did it was because they brought in a new detective whether planned or pressured by someone higher up, George became just a headline in a tossed away newspaper. I didn't care for it but at least now I see George may have impacted Lilly's choice to push herself out of her old mold a little and take a chance of being with someone. I would like to know, however, if they did plan to pursue the George killing differently than what we got. I'm still wondering if Lilly might have a dream of George sometime.  |
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Post by boxman on Jul 4, 2006 11:55:51 GMT -5
This is interesting. Looking back at this topic I created in January because the whole George killing was overlooked, I see now that maybe they did deal with George by changing Lilly's character for choices in her life during season 3. It wasn't what I had expected and I think much of the reason they did it was because they brought in a new detective whether planned or pressured by someone higher up, George became just a headline in a tossed away newspaper. I didn't care for it but at least now I see George may have impacted Lilly's choice to push herself out of her old mold a little and take a chance of being with someone. I would like to know, however, if they did plan to pursue the George killing differently than what we got. I'm still wondering if Lilly might have a dream of George sometime. Hmmm... I just logged on and saw your post here, Naj. I too was wondering about Lilly having dreams. I was going through my old DVDs this weekend, and happened to watch a portion of "Blade Runner - The Director's Cut". It occured to me that this version of the movie really isn't much different from the original release. The changes made were small, but they made a huge difference in the overall feel to the movie. Kinda related to our conversations about "8 Years", Ridley Scott *removed* dialog from the original version, leaving more visuals and music and zero voiceovers for his preferred version. He also removed the bright happy ending from the original movie too. As a result, the Director's Cut of "Blade Runner" has that dismal, "Spartan" ambiance that's also found in "8 Years". One thing Ridley Scott did *add* to the movie was a very short dream/vision of a unicorn running through a golden, fairytale-like woods. It's after this vision, does Detective Deckard (Harrison Ford) have the insight to examine some photographic evidence more closely. On one level, this dream allows Deckard to figure out where his fugitives are. On another level, as an audience member, we wonder if the dream reveals to us something more about the detective than he realizes about himself?? Anyway, this is just one instance of a dream in a detective movie, and you probably already know that dreams are used a *lot* in crime/mystery movies. So I don't think it would be too unreasonable to see some weird dream haunt Lilly in a future episode sometime. It works well in the movies, and this show is more movie-like than television-like too. Plus it only makes since that Lilly has some haunting dreams in a future episode since she likes to view pictures of dead people before going to sleep!!  |
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Post by TVFan on Jul 4, 2006 14:43:51 GMT -5
I completely agree that it's within the realm of possibility boxman. Veronica Mars often shows Veronica's dreams and it is a noir-film show as well. It works well, and it leaves the viewers pouring over the possible clues in the dream sequences. In fact, there was an episode this past season where about 75% of it was Veronica's dream sequences. The sequences held clues to who crashed the bus (the central mystery of the season), but like all dreams, it was difficult to decipher what was important and what was just typical dream stuff. Medium, another crime show, relies on Allison's dreams in order to tell the story and solve the crime. |
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