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Post by Naj on Apr 12, 2005 9:05:19 GMT -5
I've noticed less Lilly this season. I'm wondering if it's just me.
What do you think?
edited: I think the selection: No and I'm not too happy about it doesn't make sense. lol!
it should be: YES, and I'm not too happy about it
~Naj
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Post by TVFan on Apr 12, 2005 10:21:08 GMT -5
I definitely think that the show has lost some of its focus this season. In fact, I felt that it happened around the middle of last season as well. When Scotty first came onboard, he seemed to be more of a background character, but that changed as the first season progressed. Now, the show seems to be more of a balance between Lilly and Scotty and the others seem to be background characters (although lately they have had their own personal storylines). Whether or not this is a good thing to me is twofold. On the one hand, I'm happy to see storylines regarding the others. I would like to learn about each of them and what makes them tick. Also, having the other actors take some chunks of the story from time to time allows Kathryn to get a break, and it helps ensure that the show doesn't burn her out. A great example of this is Jill Hennessey from Crossing Jordan. I read in an article that they burned her out so badly that she threatened to leave the show if they didn't start dispersing the storylines among the other characters. Other stars have complained about the burn out factor as well. I beleive it was William Peterson (but don't hold me to it) from CSI who said that starring in a one hour drama is the most demanding and exhausting job in acting. On the other hand, I started watching and enjoying this show because of Lilly. She's a fascinating character that I hope we learn more about in the future. She's a wonderful role model and a different look at women. I wish we had gotten more personnal information on her this season. We met her sister, but I feel that storyline really didn't go anywhere as far as giving us a lot on Lilly once Chris got involved with Scotty. The character served more as a foil and less of a tool to learning more about Lilly. The other characters had storylines with a bigger impact for me. I'm hoping we get more of that for Lilly next season. JMO  |
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Post by Tati on Apr 12, 2005 10:45:14 GMT -5
My choice: Yes and I'm not too happy about it.
For me it's almost all a matter of personal preference - I'm interested in shows focused in strong and complex female leads, especially ones with difficult/sad pasts. I like Scotty, Vera, Jeffries and Stillman, but the truth is the only one I really care about in CC is Lilly.
There is the whole factor of it being too demanding on KM to carry the show alone, and I understand that, but I don't want CC to become an ensemble show, not even a duo show (focusing on Lilly and Scotty, which seems to be what they're doing). I always understood the original premise of the show was to focus on Lilly, and on how much her work meant on her, and that's one of the things that (used to) set apart CC from other crime dramas.
And I totally agree with TVFan's last paragraph - we didn't get much personal information on Lilly. Christina served more as a purpose to create a conflict with Scotty than to let us know more about Lilly, and it should've been the oposite, in my opinion.
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Post by V on Apr 12, 2005 11:36:08 GMT -5
My choice: Yes and I'm not too happy about it. For me it's almost all a matter of personal preference - I'm interested in shows focused in strong and complex female leads, especially ones with difficult/sad pasts. I like Scotty, Vera, Jeffries and Stillman, but the truth is the only one I really care about in CC is Lilly. That's my vote, as well, and I completely agree with you, Tati. IMO, Lilly/KM carries the show. While I really like the ensemble cast as a whole (some characters more than others), I want to see more of Lilly and learn about her past. There is so much we don't know yet and there are questions that beg to be answered about who Lilly is. I hope the the upcoming season(s) will bring us answers.  Thinking of the burnout issue -- ahem, I'm thinking "The X-Files." If Gillian Anderson was able to do 1-hour TV drama for 9 seasons -- which was very character intense -- so can Kathryn Morris. I have faith! |
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Post by Disasterfreak on Apr 12, 2005 17:26:58 GMT -5
My choice: YES.
Am I happy about this? Not really; I love Lilly as the main character and learning about her, her background and virtues and flaws. But I enjoy finding out about the other characters, too--think it makes it a well-balanced show and more likely to keep audiences who are NOT interested in just Lilly.
I'm also very worried about the burn-out factor. I'm pretty sure KM is up to it... but what if she's not? What if she gets sick of it and decides she wants out? Or what if viewers get tired of just Lilly stories and stop watching, thus making the ratings go down and getting the show canceled?
Don't get me wrong--I love the Lilly angst. I just don't want the show to turn into a one-person soap opera. Only for that reason, I think it's ok to branch out a little. Lil should always be the most important character though.
EDIT: Reading this over, not sure it makes much sense. Hope you guys understand what I'm trying to say.
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Post by irishkale on Apr 13, 2005 0:26:55 GMT -5
I can't really say if Lilly herself has had more or less actual screen time (in terms of minutes), but I have to admit I haven't enjoyed seeing her as much. Probably the best way for me to describe it is that I think Lilly has had less "quality" screen time.
The whole Lilly-hates-Christina thing was played out too much. Last season was funner to watch because Lilly seemed to be pretty happy with herself and the whole Kite thing. It was fun to watch that romance develop.
Maybe last season she was too joyful, and they decided to bring her down--but ended up going too far in the opposite direction.
If in fact the season is going to end "In The Woods", it seems like things might get a good deal grimmer before its all over!
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Post by Naj on Apr 13, 2005 8:59:03 GMT -5
Wow I'm surprised to see all votes in confirmation so far.
Lilly was the reason that drew me to the show. I thought they balanced it out perfectly the first season with Lilly just a tad more in the limelight to show she is the main character while still bringing in pieces of the other detective's lives.
The Scotty issue, as I see it, coming in and looking like a fifth wheel because they had such a great nucleus with Vera, Jeffries and Stillman made Scotty's character seem almost irrelevant. I think they've tried to counteract that by advertising over last summer putting Scotty in the ads with Lilly and that just didn't look right and was sending a message that it had become a duo show. Why? I don't know. And then the second season premier basically semented the idea that this was going to now be an ensemble show with less Lilly.
It seems, to me, like they've forced his character in season two and maybe it was their way of trying to show the audience more about him when it should still be the main formula as last season and still getting to learn a little more about each person with Lilly a little more in the lead.
Of course, I don't read their fan mail and maybe their feedback shows there was an interest from the viewership in learning more about Scotty and bringing the show to an ensemble level. This is the only cop show I watch on any station. So I assume I'm a minority watcher in the sense I don't watch NYPD, CSI, SVU and all those kinds of shows.
The personal storyline with Lilly this season is such a fizzler for me and Scotty too. So there is disappoitment there for me.
Still there have been some good eps like Daniella, The Sleep Over, and Mind Hunters but overall it's doesn't compare with what they had last season - for me. But we still have four episodes left so they could be four top notch ones that would say to me this season redeemed itself.
But then, what do I know, the ratings are higher overall this season than last.
As far as burn out. I have no idea about that aspect for Kathryn. I don't know how much less time she is working in season two compared to season one but there hasn't even been a Lilly heavy episode like "Sherry Darlin'" this season and I would have expected one by the 10th episode. And even "Sherry Darlin'" isn't an especially heavy Lilly episode by my standards.
~Naj
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Post by Ryebeach on Apr 14, 2005 21:40:55 GMT -5
It certainly seems as though Lilly has less screen time this season. I'm not sure if this is intentional on the writers and producers part or just the way it has turned out but I, for one, am glad. Personally, I've always felt that the show should be an equal ensemble show. I didn't think it should be about one character as I feel that aspect would really take away from the show. While I certainly like the character of Lilly, I would tire of her week after week, learning bits of her backstory at a time and never quite getting the whole picture.
I like learning about all the detectives backstories in bits and pieces and am glad CC has turned into a true ensemble show this season.
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Post by sonny on Apr 25, 2005 11:30:15 GMT -5
The reason I first liked Cold Case was because of Lilly. I want more of her please, there is still so much to know about her.
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Post by ruda on Apr 25, 2005 12:32:21 GMT -5
The reason I first liked Cold Case was because of Lilly. I want more of her please, there is still so much to know about her. first I must say Hello on CC forum second I must say: I agree with you. I very like Lilly too but I watch CC for Scotty  |
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Post by Naj on Apr 26, 2005 15:24:05 GMT -5
It was so refreshing to see "Kensington" this past week because it was more like season one with Lilly's character and screentime. ~Naj  |
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Post by TVFan on May 4, 2005 11:10:12 GMT -5
I agree Naj. She carried the bulk of the show, and I was very pleased. She's a fascinating character, and I like the way she manages to relate to all different people involved in the cases she works.
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Post by sonny on Sept 14, 2005 14:26:45 GMT -5
We were all think that Lilly became more de-centralized in season 2, so what is gonna happen this season??? I hope they DO NOT take away from her any more than last season or I'd be extremely disappointed.  |
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Post by sukkerspinn on Sept 14, 2005 18:56:32 GMT -5
We were all think that Lilly became more de-centralized in season 2, so what is gonna happen this season??? *edited for spoilers by naj* I voted "other", cause I didn't see much of season one. But I can agree with you guys that I wish we had gotten to know a bit more this last season... |
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Post by byrdman9802 on Sept 14, 2005 21:14:01 GMT -5
Good evening everyone, Hello, this is the Byrdman coming at you. I hope that everyone is doing well today, and that the week is winding down smoothly for you as well.  I cannot believe I did not put my opinion in on this topic already, but here goes. I did not see season one, so I am speaking from an uninformed position when comparing S1 to S2. I have heard that Lilly was the focus of season one, and I think that she still was of season two, and she will be for season three as well. Granted, more of the cast had their own ensemble stories this past season, but I think that is good for the show. I have heard KM talk about how tired she was during season 1 (granted, a lot was probably due to the fact that she had to drive for an hour back and forth, and on 4 or 5 hours of sleep), and all of those leading roles cannot have helped. The poor girl needed a bit of a break, I think. However, Lilly IS this show, before and now, and that is certain. So, overall, I do not think that she was downsized this past season. We saw a lot about her own personal, family and her attitudes on several topics this past season. I predict that this will continue in the upcoming season as well. Lilly rocks, and the girl heads this show, I think. Thanks for your attention, take care, and please have a great night, boys and girls! |
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Post by irishkale on Sept 15, 2005 0:17:56 GMT -5
After watching the reruns over the summer, I have to say that I feel better about season 2 than I did a few months ago. Maybe the episodes just needed multiple viewings for me...
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Post by Ju on Sept 15, 2005 14:20:50 GMT -5
I voted "yes". Lilly is the main character and carries the show. But last season, we learnt a few more things about Stillman's and Vera's private lives. Then Elisa died and Scotty was at the top. When Christina showed up I thought "Ohhh, now we're gonna find out interesting stuff about her". Very disapointing...  Chris served more as a purpose to create a relationship with Scotty than let us know about Lilly's past life. I think we know more about Lil through George than Chris. (highlight to read - spoiler) Anyway, Ellen Rush is coming and I'm pretty sure Lilly's life is gonna be an open book!" |
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Post by sonny on Sept 15, 2005 14:45:03 GMT -5
I voted "yes". Lilly is the main character and carries the show. But last season, we learnt a few more things about Stillman's and Vera's private lives. Then Elisa died and Scotty was at the top. When Christina showed up I thought "Ohhh, now we're gonna find out interesting stuff about her". Very disapointing... Chris served more as a purpose to create a relationship with Scotty than let us know about Lilly's past life. I think we know more about Lil through George than Chris. (highlight to read - spoiler) Anyway, Ellen Rush is coming and I'm pretty sure Lilly's life is gonna be an open book!"You have made a very good point!! the only thing we really learnt about Lilly through Chris is some actual facts about Lilly's engagement that had already been previously hinted at [The House]. |
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Post by Disasterfreak on Sept 16, 2005 21:26:24 GMT -5
Don't kill me! But even though Chris's main purpose was to serve as a sleeping-bud for Scotty, I think we DID learn a lot about Lilly through her. Not so much about her life, maybe, but about the way she handles things. I mean, first time she told Chris she couldn't stay at her house, it was a frosty side to her we'd never seen before. Then as she slowly began warming up. And the terrible heartbreak of her "betrayal" with Scotty--more feelings than we probably ever thought we'd get from Lilly Rush, the Detective. The same with her fight with Scotty. I thought it was great stuff! Though it hurt to watch my heroine suffer, seeing her pull through was very very interesting.
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Post by sonny on Sept 17, 2005 14:34:43 GMT -5
Don't kill me! But even though Chris's main purpose was to serve as a sleeping-bud for Scotty, I think we DID learn a lot about Lilly through her. Not so much about her life, maybe, but about the way she handles things. I mean, first time she told Chris she couldn't stay at her house, it was a frosty side to her we'd never seen before. Then as she slowly began warming up. And the terrible heartbreak of her "betrayal" with Scotty--more feelings than we probably ever thought we'd get from Lilly Rush, the Detective. The same with her fight with Scotty. I thought it was great stuff! Though it hurt to watch my heroine suffer, seeing her pull through was very very interesting. You have made a great point. I guess I wasn't thinking that deeply about the feelings that Lilly displayed, rather just the information we learned about her past. When you put it like you did you are totally right, I guess Christina was worthwhile!! -post #498!!!!! |
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